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Retailers are pulling back from self-checkout after years of theft, errors, and questionable time savings
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Retailers are pulling back from self-checkout after years of theft, errors, and questionable time savings
www.techspot.com/news/114106-retailers-pulling-back-self-checkout-after-years-theft.htmlReplying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
As someone who finds interacting with register attendants painful, and doesn’t steal, this is unfortunate news.
Replying to @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
Agreed. Devastating.
Replying to @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
As someone who also doesn’t enjoy interacting with register attendants, but does steal, I too find this to be unfortunate news.
Replying to @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
They don’t interact bro
Replying to @Mustachius_Grumpius@thelemmy.club
That’s sometimes part of the awkwardness. My additional gripes are completely pedantic, but hear me out:
None of the grocery chains in my area offer bagging services, so I have to wait for the attendant to scan my items, bag them myself, and then shuffle back to the register to pay. None of this is a problem, except that the human attendant rarely ever scans the items in the order that makes sense to bag them. So there’s the weird dance of waiting, pushing items aside, etc.
If I’m doing self-check, I can scan and bag using my own patented autistic process ™ that is quick, makes sense, and doesn’t crush things, and I can do it in one shot.
Replying to @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
This is why I unload them onto the belt in the order they must be bagged
Replying to @panda_abyss@lemmy.ca
I suppose that’s a solution, but you’re also doubling your responsibilities, and the price of the groceries still stays too damn high.
Replying to @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
It doesn’t really feel like work, I just sort by weight+size in descending order
Replying to @panda_abyss@lemmy.ca
I go by uncrushable first, fragile last.
Replying to @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
Today I learnt doing what most of the world has been doing is “doubling my responsibilities”
Replying to @panda_abyss@lemmy.ca
I use this method, mostly works, cashier sometimes reaches past items when scanning. 🤷 I have observed others just reloading the cart and bagging once at their vehicle in the parking lot. Only downside i see is when having weather.
Replying to @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
You can pay after they scan the first item. It won’t go through until they finish the transaction. So put stuff on conveyor. Wait for them to scan first item. Tap your card. Go pack up your bags while they’re scanning. When they’re done you’re done.
Replying to @tyler@programming.dev
This seems highly location/payment system dependent. You can’t do it where I live, the CC terminals require the final amount to be sent to them before it will accept a card, if you scan your CC before the final amount is sent to the terminal it just gets ignored and a CC will still be requested once the cashier has sent the final amount to the terminal.
I’m a introvert and hate dealing with people, but for some reason I don’t like using the self-checkout. I don’t know why. But anyway, I recommend moving to Finland. My interactions are as follows:
A very quick eye contact with a nod as a hello.
I pay, receive the change, say thank you.
I go away.
There is no small talk or push for registering for their bonus card systems, etc, here. You go in, do your thing, say thank you, go away. And saying anything is optional. I do it because I feel like that’s the least I can do for the poor person who has to deal with humans all day. But often I see people not even look at the checkout person, just stare at the register until it gives out a number, pay and bugger off.
That’s pretty much the interaction I expect in New England.
And, it’s better than waiting around for the self-checkout attendant to fix the error when the self-checkout kiosk doesn’t detect the reusable bag I brought correctly.
I know I’m lucky that I live in a country that has 17 people living in it, I don’t remember the last time I was in the checkout line for more than 5 minutes. Also, we have shops that are open until late at night and most of the hyper-markets are 24h. So I just go shopping at around 23:00 or later, when there is 2 people in the shop.
Replying to @BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social
I’m sure you know the old joke:
How do you spot an extrovert Finn?When he talks to you, he looks at your shoes instead of his own.
Indeed I do :)
Replying to @BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social
Cool :)
A Swede is visiting his Finnish cousin. They are sitting in a boat, drinking beers and fishing. After the 8th beer, the Swede asks “so, hows the family?” And the Finn replies “did we come here to drink or to talk?”
Replying to @BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social
Haha, thanks, I didn’t know that one. I would honestly love to visit Finland someday.
I can recommend it :P
Just skip Helsinki, ’tis a pointless place to spend any more time than necessary.
Replying to @BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social
Thanks! :)
Replying to @BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social
There is no small talk or push for registering for their bonus card systems, etc, here. You go in, do your thing, say thank you, go away
As it should be! The exaggerated fake politeness I’ve encountered in the US is fucking horrible and makes everything worse.
Replying to @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
We introverts pay the price 😭
Replying to @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
Or those who shop while stoned…
Replying to @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
Pulling back doesn’t necessarily mean cancelling all existing self check-out systems. It probably means they will have both, which is how it’s supposed to be, to be honest. Sometimes I just want to scan three items and leave and other times I want someone else to deal with it.
Replying to @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
Agreed. I am sad.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Shitty thing is they won’t hire more cashiers when they shut these off.
Replying to @MantisToboggon@lemmy.world
Guessing they’ll also raise prices when they simply return to previously normal operations.
Replying to @meco03211@lemmy.world
Thur raised prices when they put them in, they will raise prices when they remove them.
All actions lead to raising prices.
Replying to @MantisToboggon@lemmy.world
I really wonder who these retailers are. Like, my grocer typically has 2 human and 12 self checkout open, and it’s no question which of those is going to be faster for someone pushing less than a full cart. They don’t even have the floor space to build twelve more full service checkouts. Reminds me of the bad old days when I’d go to the store and they’d have every human checkout line open, every one of them with 5+ people in line, and it’d take 30 minutes just to check out. If you’re a retailer that only processes a couple dozen patrons an hour, then yeah, I can see where a few self-checks wouldn’t be any benefit.
Feels like we’ve reached the enshittification phase of self-checks: big stores are now so beholden to the technology that the vendors can jack up their prices to where self checks cost the store more than a full-service checkout, but they can’t go back because there’s no staff and no space.
Replying to @MantisToboggon@lemmy.world
My local grocery had self checkout for about a year before ripping them out and putting normal ones back in. They don’t seem to be understaffed.
Not all stores are awful on all fronts. They don’t have chairs for their checkout people yet though.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
“things have gotten so bad that it has made many people need to steal, so we can’t keep self checkouts open”
Replying to @mrmisses@lemmy.world
They’d rather change their operations than lobby for the poorest to have enough money and not have to steal.
Replying to @DarkCloud@lemmy.world
They’d rather change their operations than lobby for the poorest to have enough money to not have to steal.
They’d rather change their operations than lobby for the poorest to pay their employees enough money to not have to steal.
Replying to @DarkCloud@lemmy.world
I thought surely an organization of GROCERS would lobby vociferously for SNAP benefits (food stamps), at a time when onerous work requirements throw people off SNAP and overwhelm local food pantries.
Instead we get a bit of the pearlescent extraction of the meat cylinder via suction:
Replying to @DarkCloud@lemmy.world
Although I fully agree with you, there is no gotcha here. They are greedy and want the most for themselves, that’s it.
Replying to @DarkCloud@lemmy.world
Paying people a fair salary is other companies problem
Replying to @mrmisses@lemmy.world
Good news, new jobs opening to fill the cashier roles. But watch they will just implement a ticket system and checkout will take 3 hours.
Replying to @ThePantser@sh.itjust.works
Yeah but tickets cost money so they will make you sign in virtually on their app
Replying to @mrmisses@lemmy.world
Shhhhh don’t give them any ideas
Ticketmaster execs just perked up
Replying to @Archer@lemmy.world
You have to do 2 shots of crude oil to enter a lottery for a ticket to be able to pay for a ticket so you can checkout for groceries.
Replying to @mrmisses@lemmy.world
How do I do that on my Linux phone?
Replying to @ThePantser@sh.itjust.works
Hopefully everyone in the place at any given time will start stealing then. Not one person is going to wait 3 hours to pay for their groceries while cold shit thaws or only for a few items because they want to keep raising prices and enshittifying every damn thing.
Replying to @mrmisses@lemmy.world
Replying to @mrmisses@lemmy.world
Pretty sure the self checkout isn’t where most people steal, why not just walk out the door with whatever you want?
Replying to @dudeface@lemmy.world
You don’t steal all of it, you just miss the barcode on a couple items for the camera, so it looks innocent if somebody stops you.
Or you weigh more expensive fresh fruits & veggies as cheaper ones.
Replying to @dudeface@lemmy.world
Well, it’s just a simple fact When I want something, I don’t want to pay for it I walk right through the door
Replying to @TeaWithDani@lemmy.world
Jane, were you caught stealing again?
Replying to @mrmisses@lemmy.world
There’s a Walmart near me that I just never bother going to because like 80% of the non-grocery items are locked behind plexiglass. There are 4 self-checkouts and 2 employees assigned to just stand there watching people to make sure they don’t shoplift. They’ve made shopping so hostile that it barely makes sense for it to be a department store at all. Might as well just go back to the old model of telling the employee what you want and then they go get it for you.
Replying to @raspirate@lemmy.world
Which is basically what they are doing with grocery pickup.
Replying to @schmalls@lemmy.world
Never thought of it that way… But yes.
Replying to @raspirate@lemmy.world
I wanted to buy some razor blades and the poor teenager at the Walmart just couldn’t get his magnet key thingie to unlock the plastic lock on the hanger holding the packages. I waited patiently for like 5 minutes and was like look I’ll fix it. I pulled down on the packaging, tore the little cardboard piece and freed the blades in like one try.
I then still paid $40 for them like a good citizen and ignored how much I was getting ripped off.
All while being watched by a million store cameras, three people at the self checkout, the camera reflecting my own image in the self checkout machine, the greeter giving me a dirty look and the detectors at the door.
Its more absurd than airport security how pointless it all is.
Replying to @mrmisses@lemmy.world
I’m here with your regular reminder that is you see someone stealing food, no you didn’t.
I don’t understand. I’ve never seen someone steal food in a grocery store. I’ve helped plenty of people get more food from a grocery store than what they thought they had in their cart though.
Also you didn’t see me at the grocery store and if you did it wasn’t me
Replying to @mrmisses@lemmy.world
I don’t get it. Does this imply cashiers prevent people stealing? In what scenario would not having self checkout help prevent a theft?
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
The store I worked at in high school got rid of all of its self checkout right after I stopped working there. Let me tell ya, I’ve never gone in there since then. I don’t want to have to talk to someone who may recognize me. Although it’s been like 12 years now so I’m prooooobably okay lol
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Over here they’ve been present for at least 15 years and none are going away. But we have to bag our own stuff anyway.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Ok, now will they actually staff the registers? Because every time I’m in the store there’s only one checkout lane open, and before 10am or so, the self-checkout is closed.
Replying to @thesohoriots@lemmy.world
Considering its because all the would be cashiers are no longer watching people like a hawk to make sure they aren’t stealing anything, probably. Unless they just straight up lay them off
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I think this weird anti-self-checkout crowd is just young people who don’t remember the times before self-checkouts. Even if every checkout was manned it was still completely normal to wait upwards of ten minutes, even when it wasn’t that busy. I remember my Mum excitedly running to a checkout because there was only one person queueing there. Nowadays I totally expect there to be no queue at all and I feel hard done by if I have to queue for more than one minute.
Replying to @twinnie@feddit.uk
I think this weird anti-self-checkout crowd is just young people who don’t remember the times before self-checkouts.
What crowd? As far as I can see, the article is talking about retailers who want to do this, not customers.
Replying to @twinnie@feddit.uk
Um, no. There are many other categories of people who have issues with self-checkouts. Like anyone who’s legally or by the store’s rules due a discount or tax waiver (people with Indigenous status aren’t required to pay sales taxes in some jurisdictions, for instance), since the software often fails to account for these. Anyone paying cash. Anyone who knows anything at all about UI design or has wrestled with a self-checkout that just doesn’t function properly.
I’ll wait in line rather than deal with a machine that’s broken by design, thanks. Fortunately, the stores around here mostly have reasonable staffing practices, so the wait isn’t long unless some idiot tries to price-match against a flyer or something else weird and unusual.
Replying to @nyan@lemmy.cafe
Weird brag to admit you can’t figure out the self-checkout and Fisher Price level UI that audibly shouts at you what to do next.
Replying to @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
You mean you’ve never run into one that’s got buggy software or non-obvious broken hardware? Lucky.
Replying to @nyan@lemmy.cafe
My only complaint were the ones I experienced in Japanese konbini, which has you scan your purchases, but you had to wait until after payment to bag them. Once this really patient, wonderful local couple showed me what I was doing wrong, it was okay. But still an unfortunate hiccup in their process.
Replying to @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
The worst one I’ve run into appeared to be cobbled together from two different systems that barely talked to each other. At some point the main unit passed control to the other without any indication it was doing so, or that different instructions would be appearing on the smaller, monochrome screen that never showed up on the main one and had to be followed before following the next step on the main screen (no audio cues for anything on the secondary screen either, as far as I could tell, so anyone with vision issues was SOL). I don’t know what the hell the designer of this monstrosity was thinking, and I don’t care to know, but my cat could have done better. It wasn’t impossible to figure out, but it required time and brain cells that I wouldn’t have needed at a manned checkout. (Name of the store withheld to protect the guilty, but it was a major North American chain.)
Replying to @nyan@lemmy.cafe
Jusy FYI - I think self-checkouts can accept cash, but sometimes and sporadically do not, because I often see signs, permanent as well as improvisory, that they don’t.
My problem with the self checkouts is they do require quite a bit of wrangling from the person on staff and that sometimes, depending on the time of day, that person has entirely fucked off to another corner of the store. I’ve abandoned a near-completed self-checkout for the safe harbor of a human-staffed register on more than one occassion.
Replying to @schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works
My experience is that maybe a third of them are set up to accept cash. The others tend to have permanent “Credit or debit only” signage. (I pay in cash quite often, although I’ll grant you that I’m an outlier.)
Replying to @nyan@lemmy.cafe
Yes, and sometimes they count drawers before close, so those registers are closed or card-only.
Replying to @schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works
They can accept cash but those that do work like ass, and also attract less tech-savvy customers. So they need to keep them separated from card-only self-checkouts, otherwise it bogs down everybody. And yes, at that point they might as well convert them back to manned checkouts, because more often than not they require a person to stand by and help the customers with the cash.
Replying to @nyan@lemmy.cafe
That’s only relevant to… I think just one country where self check outs exist. Namely America.
Replying to @Tattorack@lemmy.world
The thing about Indigenous tax breaks? Also relevant in Canada, and I wouldn’t be surprised to discover there was something similar in Australia or New Zealand. It’s only one possible issue of several in that category, anyway. For instance, there’s a drugstore chain in my neck of the woods that provides discounts for seniors on one day of the week . . . but their self-checkouts can’t handle it and anyone who’s due a discount has to go to a cashier. Stuff like that.
Replying to @twinnie@feddit.uk
I’m over 50 but the queue has to be huge for me to go to self-checkout.
I do not enjoy waiting for someone to come and check if im stealing. I do not enjoy waiting for a go-ahead for goods that are age restricted. I do not enjoy doing unpaid work (wheres my rebate??)
Also - I think cashiers deserve a job.
Replying to @Oisteink@lemmy.world
Same, and exactly all of this. If they want me to do the work that they usually pay someone for, they better offer me a significant discount.
Replying to @twinnie@feddit.uk
I worked in grocery stores as a teen and I just want that to remain available.
I also do not like the self checkout machine. They have an unacceptable number of steps to pay. They’re horribly programmed. I don’t like the small baggage areas.
Replying to @twinnie@feddit.uk
Boomers still line up at the cashier and will wait 15 minutes when self checkout is empty. But they also buy loto tickets and cigs.
Replying to @twinnie@feddit.uk
The Aldi by me went self checkout. They lost enough business because of it they brought back cashiers. I definitely stopped going because of how clunky it was. The couple times I went I used the single cashier that had a line instead of self checkout which did not.
But at least they harvested tons of biometric, personal, behavioral and health data connected to account names and numbers to sell to data harvesters, merchants, hackers, governments and other ill intentioned groups, right?? So not all a loss.
Replying to @BooBees@fedinsfw.app
They were doing that before self-checkout. Can I scan your {store loyalty} card so you get the lower price?
Replying to @BooBees@fedinsfw.app
What self checkout are you using? The ones I’ve used have the exact same data collection ability as the manned checkouts.
Replying to @BooBees@fedinsfw.app
biometric, personal, behavioral and health data
What data are self checkouts collecting that regular checkouts aren’t?
I was a big fan of self checkouts when they were new.
Past year or so, I’ve completely changed course. I go out of my way now to go through the regular checkout lines.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Well other technologies like accounting software are “at least 40%” and self checkout is at 36%, according to the article, so I don’t think this is as devastating as one might think at first glance:
Of 340 retail operators surveyed in 2026’s Voice of the Retail Industry Survey, only 36% say they plan to invest in self-checkout, down seven percentage points from last year. Self-checkout was the least popular technology and the only one to see lower interest YoY. Other investments, such as automated invoices, electronic shelf labels, and accounting software, attracted at least 40% of surveyed retailers.
And of course less retailers are investing in the tech than in previous years: they’ve all already got it.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
s/pulling back/slowing expansion of installations/g
These are not the same thing, and if you look at any S curve you can see why.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Luckily, self checkouts are expanding in Copenhagen. Seriously beats standing in a line for the next 10 minutes. Such a depressing waste of time.
Anyway, haven’t even had half the issues most people seem to complain about with self check out. I’m guessing it’s because Danish supermarkets don’t half-ass it. Or maybe people are genuinely stupid around even simple technology.
Replying to @Tattorack@lemmy.world
I forgot self-checkouts don’t get queues /s
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Fucking finally.
Replying to @HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world
I don’t get the hate? I go out of my way to use self-checkouts if I can.
Replying to @radiouser@crazypeople.online
They replace actual jobs and are not taxed the same as a person doing the same job. Also if I am now doing the job of a person you replaced I should be compensated with a discount.
Replying to @HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world
I get where you’re coming from but I look at it a bit differently.
Offloading mundane labor to machines is net positive; it’s our “adapt or starve” economic setup that’s broken.
Honestly, I just like packing my bags correctly without feeling rushed by a cashier or dealing with human interaction, for me that’s a big plus.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Self checkout was great for me because I’d have like 3 items and breeze on out. Now people come to them with overloaded carts because they don’t have any actual checkouts.
Replying to @BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I swear every time I pull into a manned checkout lane at one specific store I get the nastiest look from the cashiers. There are 3 functional self checkout kiosks and the scale on all of them is slightly under a single square foot. I’m not buying a thanksgiving feast, but forgive me if my regular shopping trip is more than a single cup of yoghurt and a TV dinner, and consequently cannot all fit on the self checkout scale. It’s not like I’m asking them to open a lane just for me, they’re just upset I’ve interrupted their scrolling session.
I try not to go there often, but sometimes my goto location is closed or doesn’t have something I know I’m going to need. I know it’s not all stores or employees because my normal one is pretty good and I can generally use the kiosk without issue, but it’s so frustrating that the culture has shifted to expect all people to use the self checkout regardless of their situation. And I say this as someone who uses them regularly.
Replying to @BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Same here - I bring one bag from home and when it gets full I stop shopping. Even waiting behind one half full shopping cart in a cashier line is slower than waiting for an available self-checkout.
Yeah, checkers are so slow. Self checkout lets you slam everything across in like 5 seconds, swipe, leave.
Easy.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I like how they do it at Sam’s Club. You use your phone camera as a barcode reader, use the same saved payment as online, then walk through a scanner at the exit. They still have a person who can check your receipt but usually they wave you through as the door scanner got it.
Such a weird hatred against a fundamentally useful tool that means fewer people need to do an objectively shitty, monotonous job (=cashiers).
Here in Europe, we have enough people manning the registers that you can always opt to go to a human if you have a huge cart (and potentially wait a few minutes, or more during rush hour), or if you have less than ten items (quite often really, I buy dinner bread practically daily), you go to a self-checkout, and you’re out in less than a minute.
It helps queue times when you need speed and are buying a few things only, and is literally irrelevant when you have a full cart, as you’re better off going through a proper cash register anyway.
Note that the fact that hypercapitalist american supermarkets take this as an invitation to permanently understaff manned registers is not a fault of the machines themselves
Replying to @Sunspear@piefed.social
I mean, you also acknowledge that cashiers are human beings and let them do wild things like have a stool or chair to sit on, or drink water as needed. As a country, the US has already shown itself to lack the necessary consideration and decency to let us leave these companies to their own devices with something like self-checkout. They will unfailingly select to most inhumane, awful way of implementing something that maximizes their profits at the cost of dehumanizing their employees and customers, while degrading the service they offer.
Replying to @Sunspear@piefed.social
I liked my teenage job as a cashier back in the day, it was relatively easy, got to talk to customers, literally no stress to take home, and you could quietly judge people based on what they bought
Replying to @Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world
quietly judge people based on what they bought
This is the reason it’s worth it. No other industry, except delivery, allows nosy people to judge so many others, safety, and without comment
Most of the time it was boring food, but occasionally it would be condoms or lube
Replying to @Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world
I went to the store today and felt bad for the girl standing at attention overlooking the self checkout. Probably counting down the seconds until some sort of interaction. And people wonder why society went down hill with socializing. I’d probably go Postal if I had to stand there for hours. It’s one thing if you enlist, but this is a grocery store.
Replying to @myyass@lemmy.world
Thank her for her service
Replying to @captainlezbian@lemmy.world
lol
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Conversely, my local Sam’s club is doubling down, but…weirdly. They changed the layout of the self checkouts, and then removed several normal lanes so there’s only 2 normal lanes at all. Here, Sam’s is frequented most by older folks who hate self checkout. It was an incredibly stupid move.
Replying to @kayohtie@pawb.social
Sam’s in many locations has the thing where you scan items (by phone camera) in real time in the app as you place them in your cart. This is a way better experience because you pay by credit card in the app, then walk straight out of the store.
There’s literally no point to going through a normal lane at Sams, unless you’re buying a gift card that can’t be activated in the app purchase.
Replying to @mctoasterson@reddthat.com
We have it but I’m on my partner’s parents membership so I just gotta carry the barcode around instead.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I hope not - for me self checkout is way faster than waiting in a checkout line. When my brought-from-home bag is full, I stop shopping, so I never have a ton of items.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I’ve been doing my part, you’re welcome everyone.
Replying to @JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca
Ohhhh noooo, I only scanned 7 of these 8 tape rolls.
Replying to @Atropos@lemmy.world
Exactly
Replying to @JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca
Thank you for your service!
I like it because I can get organic vegetables for cheaper.
Replying to @myyass@lemmy.world
Just a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, on account of how sticky my fingers get in corporate mega stores.
I don’t get why people think they will be more efficient and faster than someone who’s used to pass products all day. Cashiers already know where to look for the barcodes and remember the codes for vegetables without having to look anywhere. Self-checkout is only faster in the beginning because few people use it. When it becomes the only option, prepare for even longer queues with people passing the products in such calmness as if they’re doing it in purpose
Replying to @morto@piefed.social
It wasn’t about speed, it was about reducing spending on wages
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
That’s right. 4-6 registers with one employee.
In my experience, stores with that kind of ratio are miserable to shop at. At high demand hour the most you can get away it is 2 register with 1 employee, maybe 3 if the self-checkouts are very good (good UI, not error-prone).
Replying to @morto@piefed.social
It’s only more efficient when I use it, which sounds like a joke about “it’s only wrong when someone else does it.” But if I am only buying a quart of ice cream and some toilet paper, I actually can scan those faster because I don’t have to pass them to a person to scan them for me. My typical use case is roughly the same speed as a cashier. I also know how to use the machines fairly well.
However, your last sentence is exactly right. Once one idiot gets to self-checkout, the whole thing goes to shit for everyone. Or if something doesn’t scan, or it is a bottle of Nyquil that some stores require ID to buy, then it is so much longer to get a person over to help you.
Replying to @dogslayeggs@lemmy.world
I only use self checkout if I can carry what I’m buying in my hands. Anymore than that and I’ll go through a lane. Seems like half the time I get flagged for the dude to come check anyway though so WTF is the point?
Replying to @dogslayeggs@lemmy.world
I refuse to use them because of liability. Too many cases of people being falsely accused of stealing.
When the employees try to shoo me to the self checkout I just stare at them awkwardly.
Replying to @morto@piefed.social
But I am more effecient than the cashier. Dunno how it is like where you’re from, but a cashier job is either for people who are nearly retired, or a teenager’s first job.
So, in the same footprint of three cashiers that will have 3 queues waiting around, there can be 12 self checkouts with no queues at all.
Replying to @morto@piefed.social
I scan my items as they go into the bag. As I get to the checkout all I have to do is pay. That is waaaaay more efficient than going to a traditional cashier.
Replying to @morto@piefed.social
You aren’t faster at checking it out per item. The supermarkets are just keeping it understaffed all the time so the human checkout has a long wait while self checkout does not, so it’s faster to not wait. I try to not use self checkout, but if I have a few items it just makes me feel guilty about making other people wait behind me.
As they keep having understaffed situations, sometimes there’s no other option except self checkout. Which honestly should be illegal.
Replying to @thevoidzero@lemmy.world
At the very least, I am definitely faster at scanning and bagging my items in the order I want, though. I’m also WAY better at catching when the price doesn’t match what I saw on the shelf tag.
Replying to @morto@piefed.social
Some of the pros around here are not very good and take longer than I do, but the Aldi ones are usually fast with those giant barcodes! The last one, however, charged me for two melons but I didn’t have any, removed one, but not the 2nd so I had to go back over. My data points and the workmanship around here show sometimes quicker than me, but not if a line for them and none for diy.
Replying to @morto@piefed.social
In many cases, I am faster than the available cashiers at my local grocery store, because they’re old. Also depending on what I’m buying, idc how my stuff is bagged so I can just throw it in a single bag and go vs them taking 3 bags to do the same thing.
But to me, the main reason to use self checkout is that I don’t have to interact with anyone. No conversation, no upsells, just me and a machine. The only reason I’ll go to a cashier is if I have a lot of stuff or if I’m buying alcohol.
Replying to @BassTurd@lemmy.world
You don’t think machines can up sell you? Ok.
Replying to @bladerunnerspider@lemmy.world
When has a self check out given you purchase suggestions? I mean I can see them doing it, but I haven’t seen it
Replying to @shiroininja@lemmy.world
McDonald’s kiosk? Wouldn’t you like hash browns with your order?
Would you like to round up for the Boys and Girls club?
What upsell is the grocery store cashier doing? Stamps and ice?
To suggest a machine is incapable of up selling even more obtrusively than a cashier is dishonest.
Replying to @bladerunnerspider@lemmy.world
It has literally never happened to me over the past decade short of rounding up for charity. Can they? Yes, it could be programmed in, but I’ve never experienced it.
Replying to @morto@piefed.social
For most people that is definitely true. I however was a cashier for six years before graduating college and am at the very least just as fast. My problem is usually the scanner won’t keep up with me since there always seems to be a delay for the system to verify I have put the item in the bag before it lets me scan another.
Replying to @Fear_and_loathing@lemmy.world
Same. I worked in retail for years, I can use a cash register just fine. These things are infuriating though no matter what you do. Terrible cashier-user experience compared to just like a regular grocery store checkout line
Replying to @morto@piefed.social
The idea of the self-checkout was that you literally just pass by some scanner with a full cart and it instantly displays the list of items with prices and sum. You just need to tap your card or phone on the reader and are done with it.
The implemented reality was very far away from that idea though. That’s why it failed.
Customers are pissed because they have to do the cashier’s job. And they do compensate themselves with some extra price reduction as a system requiring cooperation obviously can’t reliably detect theft. And if you had a detective watching the cams, you could as well just go back to cashiers - which they seem to now do.
In the end this is yet another failed “fake it till you make it” bet on future tech which just didn’t materialize in time. Shops can tank some customer dissatisfaction for a time and then profit a lot from being the first to do the new thing when it becomes actually possible a few months later. But pissing off the shoppers isn’t a good long-term strategy.
Replying to @morto@piefed.social
Yeah, but while you are queued they can feed you ads.
Replying to @morto@piefed.social
It wasn’t about the cashier, it was about the line.
Before self checkout, the wal mart near me would on a typical day have 3 or 4 cashiers working. At the height of their adoption, they had 28 self checkouts typically up.
But now, they have 2-3 self checkouts open and a big line, while you can generally find one of the handful of cashiers with no one waiting. It baffles me that people would wait to self-checkout when there’s a cashier open with no line, unless people have just that much social anxiety (a wal mart seems a tricky proposition) or else people are liking their chances for skipping scan of an item here or there.
Sometimes I think that people must have some psychological tendency to just go where others are without any thinking about it. There’s no other explanation fur such behavior
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
It’s always a clumsy experience for me. In some stores I just walk in, get a drink, scan, pay, and be out in less than a minute. But for my actual shopping? Way too much stuff on that little terminal thing.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Interesting to hear all these opinions. These have been around for so many years - there has been plenty of data. Surprising this is just now being turned back. For small orders I’ve always loved the self checkout and found it way more efficient. Part of that is likely because I want out of the store much more than any clerk wants me out of the store.
Replying to @Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
Same.
That’s a legitimate use case. I’d like them more if they capped the number of items one could scan in one transaction, maybe at ten. I’ve always hated out someone with three carts of stuff could tie up fast checkout line or a self checkout.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Self checkout is amazing. Much faster and more convenient than going to a cashier. Also much lower odds of some retard holding up the entire line.
Replying to @Human_Slop@feddit.nu
What self-checkouts have you been to? Typically there’s a bunch of people fumbling through trying to get them to work. They don’t know where barcodes are, if it’s unmarked food they spend so much time trying to figure out how to search for it.
People who don’t understand self-checkouts are the worst part.
Replying to @Zorque@lemmy.world
I’ve only been using self checkouts since I started grocery shopping by myself and I’m nearly 30 so that’s quite a few different stores at this point.
Yes you do get some retards but that is usually countered by the increased number of self checkout stations. Compare this to a traditional cashier where one retard will slow down the process for everyone.
Replying to @Human_Slop@feddit.nu
“some retard” was an elder lady for me the other day. I didnt mind the wait, she had to use three forms of payment for her order, she had a helper, and was probably struggling. I didnt mind.
There also was a woman behind me. We exchanged that polite smile when our eyes met, normal stuff. We were waiting a few mins, and I think she thought she was rude. She said to me, “I dont smile big because I dont like my teeth”. I didnt even question it tbh, but felt a little sad this woman was shy about her teeth, so much so she didnt smile fully.
I got to tell this woman, we are all humans, I myself bad hair, and her smile was beautiful. And, she did smile fully then :)
The elder lady in front finished up, and I checked out.
I hope I made that lady’s day.
Sometimes, if you slow down, you can see beauty in the world around you.
Replying to @Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
No fuck that shit. I’m not waiting around for other people to get their shit figured out. Self checkout is the best thing to happen to grocery shopping.
Replying to @Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
“Sometimes, if you slow down, you can see beauty in the world around you.”
Well put. And you know it’s funny people are have gotten so conditioned to the Amazon experience that it bled into all aspects of life. My friend told me a funny story about the place we would get breakfast at in Ireland. He comes in, and the girls at the counter are chatting about something, the owner comes out and has a chat with him, they catch up and he mentions yeah I’m getting some breakfast. The funny part is the owner say oh wait a few minutes the girls are having a chat. Completely different lifestyle. I enjoyed my time there, should probably go visit next year.
I love me a Irish breakfast and the best fish and chips any day, but … I also miss Abrakebabra and Teo’s lol
Replying to @myyass@lemmy.world
Komorebi. To define in my own words, it is the way light filters through trees.
I learned about komorebi in a Thomas Flight video in the context of film (video essayist). He brings it about when discussing a film titled “Perfect Days”, and rather than butcher explaining it, I will recommend to watch. He explains the context and value much better than I could.
There can be good in the world if you slow down and look. Thats really it. But of course, its because everyone is stressed and working to the bone, the american culture… it makes it more difficult to practice… being still. To be still, long enough to enjoy small moments like youve desscribed.
Replying to @Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
One day I took a lunch, looked up and enjoyed the blossom season begin.
And I really liked this spot, as you can see others enjoying it as well. Sometimes I would sit there and enjoy the sound of water and watch the birds. And well other times I would enjoy lunch and a beer or sake. I would say it helped change the way I see things in life.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I like it because I don’t have to talk to people. It is otherwise an inferior experience.
Replying to @stoly@lemmy.world
Agree. But what is the “otherwise” part you’re taking about?
Replying to @remon@ani.social
What other commenters have said: you’re not as good as the professional.
Replying to @stoly@lemmy.world
As good as in what? Lifting items over the scanner fast? Because yeah, I am. I go shopping there 2-3 times a week, I know where the bar-code is on all the items I regularly buy, I can scan them just as fast as any professional, probably faster. Some of them are old ladies … And not sure what other quality other than speed there is to scanning your items.
Replying to @remon@ani.social
You and some other commenters are super special. Better than the average.
Replying to @stoly@lemmy.world
I really don’t see what’s so special about it.
Replying to @remon@ani.social
There is nothing special about it, that’s the point. But for some people, it can be important. What if you have a visual or physical disability? An intellectual issue? Etc.
Replying to @stoly@lemmy.world
I’m in no way suggesting that traditional checkout should be abolished.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
That sucks, I DIY if the store has baggers since they don’t do it well 8/10 times and I check the prices as I scan to see if the discounts applied. I’m pretty fast, and now if they remove them, I could do the job really well and bagger, I gained skills from the experience for possible future use.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I like the Inflation Compensation Checkout, because I don’t have to talk to people.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
They aren’t bringing back cashiers, they’ll have one cashier with a massive line as a deterrent to get you to download the scan as you go app on your phone so you supply the bar code scanner at your expense and they track your phone and change the digital price tags based on your Palantir profile as you walk up.
Or the other option is Walmart has started remodeling their stores into primarily warehouses. The main entrance is badged only for picker workers to hand orders to Doordash or put app orders in people’s cars. The legacy experience entrance will be a temporary secondary option until they get enough robots to make the building fully lights out and automated. Shambling automatons will emerge from the black hell portal in the surface of The Edifice with your tampons and then run facial recognition on you and sniff your car for drug and explosive residue.
Replying to @yogurt@lemmy.world
I’ll do a big shop, look shocked at the line up and just walk out. Have fun dealing with my cart.
There’s no way I’ll get an app. I get they’ll have methods to entice people but I held off getting Facebook when it was the big thing, I’ll be ready for when corpos want to fuck around.
In fact I welcome it to see how I do.
Replying to @solarspark@lemmy.ml
I’m pretty good at not buying from Safeway when they have an item I want on app-coupon sale.
But since tje new Trump order I’ve gone completely anti-consumerist, only getting stuff I immediately need.
Trouble is, all you’re doing by dumping a full trolley is inconveniencing someone who’s paid minimum wage.
Replying to @djdarren@piefed.social
I agree that’s not good. What else would I do if I had todownload an app to checkout or have to navigate their self checking that’s just a shit show all the time. If the store is being cheap, not properly hiring people and paying a good wage, that is not my responsibility and I’m not going to have to get some app so I can do my purchase and I’m absolutely not going to take my time to put the items back, and nor would the employees want that either.
I have no responsibility to do free labor for profit hungry criminals.
Replying to @solarspark@lemmy.ml
I have done that a few times.
Replying to @yogurt@lemmy.world
You’re just silly.
Your car itself will sniff you for drugs and explosives every time you start it and every 30 seconds thereafter, not the Walmart robot.
Retailers within the same chain seem to have different policies on how many check outs are staffed.
I’m in Australia and buy our groceries from woolworths.
There’s one I go past on my way home and there’s very rarely any proper checkouts manned. There’s usually one “express” at which you can only buy 12 items or something, but there’s usually several people queued there.
The other one where we go to do our weekly shop always has several proper checkouts manned. Usually when there’s more than 1 person being scanned and 1 waiting they will call over the PA to get another staff member to open another lane.
IDK who’s decision it is or what strategy they follow to decide which stores will do check outs what way.
Replying to @im_fine_sandy@nord.pub
Grocieres…from Woolworth? Funny. Here (Germany) it’s just a horribly shitty dollar-store without any food.
We have two chains which form an oligopoly in the grocery market here. Coles and Woolworths (Colesworth). Like tesco or something. Better presented than Aldi.
Replying to @im_fine_sandy@nord.pub
So, like everywhere else I guess. 1-3 chains taking over everything. When I was young we had a Mon&pop near our house. Now it’s like 3-5 supermarket brands, of which most are from the same group and only virtually competing.
Yes, we recently had a formal govt enquiry into the lack of competition. Not very effective.
Until a few years ago there was an independent supermarket just down the road. They did very well, but sold to a foreign group that owned a few dozen stores and they just didn’t understand the market here - it collapsed within months.
Our left wing party just announced a policy for govt owned grocers like mamdani has implemented. However, they have no chance of applying any pressure to govt to implement that.
Replying to @im_fine_sandy@nord.pub
Our left wing party just announced a policy for govt owned grocers like mamdani has implemented
Sounds like a great solution to being overrun by de-facto-monopolies. But I know nothing about Australia’s politics to make an educated comment.
Here it seems like a faint smell of diversity, but often 3 chains are owned by the same group. But at least there still is some competition.
Replying to @Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
The Australian Woolworth is a totally unrelated company.
In Germany the Woolworth GmbH was originally founded by the American Woolworth, but then sold off. The American one essentially died later.
Replying to @Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de
I had no idea. Although I fondly remember it being cool and then suddenly becoming absolute dogshit.
Thanks for educating me.
Replying to @Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
I also remember my mom driving over the boarder to shop there when I was a child, so that checks out for me
Replying to @Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de
At least you have the good kind of Woolworth it seems 😁
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
There are actual GOOD ways to implement self checkout though…
BAD: Me scanning individual items at a grocery store, LARP’ing as a cashier… terrible experience for all… i’m literally doing someone else’s job for free…
GOOD: me throwing my entire basket of purchases into some kind of RFID scanning bin (not sure the exact technology behind it), the screen instantly shows me the list of items and total, and i tap and pay and leave. Actual time saver, and i dont feel like i’m doing a cashier job.
In both cases, it results in a loss of jobs, which sucks… but at least #2 isnt infuriating from a customer POV
Replying to @9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works
You missed a third option that already exists. At the supermarket I go to, I pick up a scanning gun with a screen on it when I walk in. As I shop, I scan things and place them in my bags. At the end, I press a checkout button on the scan gun, and it makes a little bar code on the screen. I head to tge self checkout, scan my barcode, pay, and walkout. It’s fucking seamless and amazing and should be the standard in every supermarket.
The only thing that sometimes ruins it is when there is a line of idiots at the self checkouts with full carts of groceries and I have to wait for them. There needs to be a dedicated lane for scan gun only people. Self checkout is for people with like 10 or less items, not a week’s worth of groceries.
Replying to @MIDItheKID@lemmy.world
I saw one of those with I visited my wife’s family in the south of England in 2014 and I thought “oh cool, what a great idea!”
12 years later (sorry) and I’ve never seen that in Canada or any place I’ve traveled to. But it seemed like the future at the time, and probably still would!
Replying to @MIDItheKID@lemmy.world
Except for if you buy multiples of one item, e.g. a box full of 12 milk kartons, and then have to manually input the amount by pressing the plus icon on screen 12 times…
And except for when the hand scanner shows you the correct item number and amount to be paid when you press “Pay now”, but then the self-checkout inexplicably “loses” some items, shows you a different amount, asks an employee to check your cart, and you get accused of trying to steal…
Replying to @MIDItheKID@lemmy.world
Except that allows shoplifting. Like, what, you expect people full authority to use the “honor system” with a scanning gun.
Replying to @9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works
I only ever seen #2 once in my life, and that’s in Decathlon. Just have to put stuff in the bin and they will show all the item and ready to pay, you just have to make sure all the item are accurate. It’s great shopping experience, but very expensive to implement for item that is very low value.
Replying to @9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works
Muji And Uniqlo shops has #2, very convenient
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I like self check because there’s never a line when I go. With cashiers, the policy was to only open a new register if the lines got over three deep. So, there was always at least three people in line, no matter what time of day, on average.
I’ve never waited in line since I started using the self check lanes.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I’m waiting for them to close the stores to customers entirely and go to pick up or delivery only.
I know that would kill impulse buying, but I think they might make it up by not needing to police the isles, and no theft.
Service Merchandise did tag pulls and pick up at the register for everything back in the 70s and 80s. That might come back.
Replying to @TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world
Holy shit, Service Merchandise, that’s a name I haven’t heard in a very long time. You just reminded me of taking the tag to the counter. Didn’t circuit city also do tag pulls?
Replying to @EveningPancakes@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Toys R Us for video games as well.
Replying to @EveningPancakes@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Replying to @TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world
that would kill impulse buying
Clearly you don’t work in digital advertising
Replying to @TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world
Canadian Tire isn’t far off from this. They’ve put so much effort into making their stores as unpleasant and time wasting of an experience as they can. I pretty much only go there when I need something I can only get there, now.
Replying to @TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world
Go back to the old General Store model where you’d bring your list and have them pick it out?
Replying to @heartSagan5@lemmy.zip
I would pick up 60 2-liter sodas at a time from my Wal-Mart, if they would let me place an order and let me pick it up. Sadly, only delivery is allowed to have the variety of drinks that I want.
Replying to @TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world
Nah, it would be more expensive since they would need to hire more pickers. also would probably loose customers who wouldn’t want someone else picking out their groceries.
Replying to @megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Nah, Amazon and the like already do it. Robot pickers are far cheaper than worrying about theft prevention.
Replying to @GalacticRobot@lemmy.world
Also, B&H in Manhattan has an insane set-up for shuttling inventory from the back to the sales register for check up.
Replying to @GalacticRobot@lemmy.world
Ok, but robot pickers are expensive capital costs, and are set up to work in a warehouse environment with boxes, not a retail store full of soft goods and shelves. Unless you’re talking about recapitalizing the entire store to be a wearhouse, in which case there is a huge opportunity cost in regards to using good retail realestate for a warehouse.
Gonna have to use human pickers unless the grocery store is willing to completely recapitalize and the margins might not justify the high cost of retail real estate.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Ah so the genius executives behind these will be held accountable by shareholders and fired right? Right?
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I don’t think it is a pullout, it is saturation. You can only have so many self-checkout stations before the effectiveness of adding more diminishes.
Replying to @SabinStargem@lemmy.today
I think you may be right, but anecdote in favor of a pull out:
At my area wal mart, it got to a pretty nice point, about 28 operating self checkout lines. Never had a line, they had disabled the bagging scales and disabled the voice.
Now, they usually have 5 reserved for Walmart plus people, and 2 to 3 running with a longer line than a human cashier. Then a line att the door as they want to audit everyone’s receipts. It’s an obnoxious experience, and reportedly they still have more theft than they would like.
However, they are pushing than I can get my orders delivered within 22 minutes, or pickup. Think they are pushing people to the theft proof options where you don’t get anywhere near the merchandise that you haven’t already paid for.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
The problem with self checkout is when things gone wrong, either the customer will cancel their transaction, ignore the problem and deny accountability , brute forcing which breaking the rules , or search for the staff for solution. It just make the failure more prominent thus defeating the very solution that self service cashier provide.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
in our area, people are just smashing in grab at a grocery store, because they arent even allowed to give them “customer” service anymore. these people are not hurting for money, but to fuel thier addiction(very high area of people doing various drugs. not even allowed to lock up the expensive stuff, because idiot regionals think the store needs to have all items available for customers.
Replying to @Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
Grocery store? So are the drug dealers in your area only accepting hotdog buns? Or are they fencing them first?
Eitherway, as long as somebody is eating the stolen food then I like that outcome better than the stores just dumping them in a locked dumpster when the date runs out. That’s what happens to an obscene amount of food anyway.
Replying to @bold_atlas@lemmy.world
nah they were selling them for money for drugs. its expensive coffee, icecream, tp, SUPPLEMNTS, collagen powder. because im hearing from other people in the area they all hit other stores at once, and gather in one nearby place and selling them. its also organized crime. many of them have thier coke torches on them. they were not eating them.
the ones that steal to eat dont take 10+bags of coffee 15-20$ each, or the 50$+ of supplements and powders and bottles of expensive olive oils. i dont think these people are brewing coffee or making supplement drinks.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Questionable savings? I have saved A LOT of time at self checkouts, especially when just buying a few things. It’s way faster than standing in line behind people seemingly doing their yearly shopping.
Replying to @FireWire400@lemmy.world
The time saving is hugely illusory. You really should take your watch and measure. What costs most time at a staffed register checkout is mostly the payment. The staff scans much faster than you.
Replying to @FireWire400@lemmy.world
It’s only faster because they took space and staff from actual checkouts.
Replying to @SirActionSack@aussie.zone
Yeah … so win win?
Replying to @FireWire400@lemmy.world
The supermarket I went to in the 90s boasted in their adverts about how if there were more than 3 people waiting in a lane they’d open another till. That’s how bad the general standard was.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Looks like the “Voice of Retail Industry” survey the article cites only surveyed US-american stores.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
They are slower than regular checkout lines and only benefit the stores. When things go wrong at a self checkout you inevitably sit there for a long time waiting for someone from the store to get around to helping. If theres a problem checking out, the blame for it falls on you. I despise all of them.
Replying to @kreskin@lemmy.world
Nah, if the self checkout pos freaks out and needs someone, just move your stuff to the next one over. Someone will come fix that one eventually; no harm in leaving it to sing the song of “an item has been removed from the bagging area” to its people, you and your stuff just shifted 3 feet to try a different checkout lane. If anyone complains just tell them the cashier waved you over, it’s all good.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Self checkout in theory is better for both sides - business and consumer.
That said most self checkout as implemented is insufferable. The modern experience is waiting 5 minutes for someone to clear out your order because you accidentally clicked the version of Limes that this store doesn’t sell, despite it being an option on the POS, or to tap no / decline on the 5 different “Donate? Round up? Bag? Survey? Phone number?” prompts, or for the POS to lock up because you scanned a single can 3 times rather than 3 cans once, or for the cart to lock up so you slam your shin into it because the camera determined you were a thief.
Personally I avoid all self checkouts.
Replying to @NotAnOtter@lemmus.org
Some of them are great. Lidl comes to mind.
Replying to @wizzor@sopuli.xyz
Lidl just simply doesn’t let you leave
Replying to @NotAnOtter@lemmus.org
Is this how it works in the US? Because everywhere I use them in Europe they are pretty smooth if you’re not buying alcohol.
Replying to @ddplf@szmer.info
At least in the major retailers in my area - yes.
They are annoying AF and that’s coming from a pretty antisocial person.
Replying to @ddplf@szmer.info
Canada is halfway between the two. The best part of self checkouts is one queue feeding into many stations. Traditional tills drive me fucking mad i hate them so so much!
Give me a canadian tire, winners, or dollarama style checkout with one big ass queue feeding into all tills. Then grandma can pay in 19th century haypennies and coupons as an excuse to get her socializing fix outside the nursing home, and i can get my fucking groceries in a timely and non-infuriating manner.
Replying to @ddplf@szmer.info
I’m an Anerican and I’ve not really had any of these issues. The bagging area one yes, but otherwise no real problems and I’ve never in my life had a cart lock up. I try to avoid self check out, it’s not my job so why am I doing it?
Replying to @CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world
it’s not my job so why am I doing it?
I never get this take. Like, back in the day it also wasn’t my job to pack the groceries into a cart and haul them to the cashier. You entered a store, like a lot of pharmacies still work today, there was a clerk behind a desk and you told them “I’d like three ounces of flour, 4 eggs and a litre of milk”, they fetched it for you. So, where are the complaints that walking through a big store “is not my job”?
Everybody is like “no, a store is juuust right, when it works like in my childhood. Everything else is against the order of the world!”
I completely understand all the other, technical, cultural, issues one can have with a self-checkout, but this “not my job” attitude weirds me out, somehow.
Replying to @CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world
it’s not my job so why am I doing it?
Do you also need a separate clerk to pack your groceries right next to the one that scans them?
Replying to @ddplf@szmer.info
No, the one who scans my groceries also packs them.
Replying to @CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world
I don’t get that “it’s not my job” approach a lot of people have towards self check out. I know its different in the US but I hear this also in Europe. In a proper self check out I take a item from my basket, put it straight into my bag and have all the time I want to organise it properly. While at the usual check out I need to unpack everything on the belt, pray that the person before me was fast enough so I can start packing my shit when the cashier starts pushing 3 items/second towards me. While trying to keep up with the cashier you are either a master of packing or you’re screwed. Alternative would be just dumping everything back into the shopping cart and organising after you paid but that means handling every item three Times (put it on the belt, back in the cart, Pack into bags).
Hot Take: Self checkout (in Europe) is less work than conventional checkout.
Replying to @CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world
it’s not my job so why am I doing it?
Never understood this concept. It’s not your job to fill up your gas tank either, so we should ensure someone is hired to be sure that occurs correct?
Replying to @ddplf@szmer.info
It’s pretty seamless in the States too.
Replying to @01011@monero.town
When I was in the US last it was a bit crap. I couldn’t remove an item, which was annoying because I accidentally scanned something twice, then picked the wrong thing in either fruit or baked goods (I can’t remember which). 🙈
Replying to @ddplf@szmer.info
Even when buying alcohol you just have an employee walk 3 meters to you, you show your ID and the employee clears it. Thats how it is in some stores, others just prohibit alcohol completely.
Replying to @ddplf@szmer.info
What you describe is not at all my experience in Europe (mainly UK and Portugal, plus a bit Germany).
Small tills with not enough room for a big shopping, pushy and badly designed software, the whole “check your age” for alcohol with a single employee handling 20+ self-checkout tills, the thing bitching and moaning if you bring your own bag, different quirks for self-checkout tills in different stores, not taking cash payments and so on, are incredibly common and what’s rare is the ones which work smoothly.
I mean, I would love those schemes some people describe (in Scandinavia?) were you basically check things in as you pick them up, but I have yet to see anything like that myself in the countries I lived in during the self-checkout era.
So far all I’ve seen in Europe are shit cheap implementations which only ever beat the manual checkout in speed if all you have is a handful of things (so, not a weekly shopping) or the store itself purposefully closed pretty much all manual tills and caused huge queues in order to push people to use self-checkout.
PS: By the way, in my experience in Europe, it’s always you that pack your own bags, which actually makes the manual checkout even faster since at the same time the cashier is doing the checkout you’re doing the bagging, so the whole thing can go twice as fast whilst in a self-checkout it’s only one person doing both.
Replying to @Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Self-checkout works well in the Netherlands.
Imagine checkout is like rail. In the UK and Germany a disaster, but in Holland it mostly is pretty good. 😉
Replying to @Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
makes the manual checkout even faster since at the same time the cashier is doing the checkout you’re doing the bagging
There’s nothing stopping people at self-checkouts from putting items in bags as soon as they’ve scanned them. But lots of morons will first scan everything, then proceeed to take another stretch of time to leisurely find their bags and figure out how to pack things.
That’s not the self-checkout’s fault, that’s plain human stupidity.
Replying to @lemmyvore@feddit.nl
For what it is worth, yesterday I tried to do place the machine first exactly because of that. The machine complained. I did not insist, since it was faster for my five items to just do what it wanted me to do, but it is possible the setup just does not like it.
Replying to @ddplf@szmer.info
No its not us based, I’ve never had a self check here that has that issue. They lock down for if they think you are stealing (I’ve never had repeated scans trigger that its usually if you try to hide a barcode or something) or age restrict but other than that as long as it isn’t an operator issue its pretty streamlined.
Replying to @ddplf@szmer.info
Even while buying hard liquor, I just get a “are you +18” prompt and I just press yes. lol
Although they have a little magnetic cap on them.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
But I love my self-checkout discounts. It would suck if I had to start paying for everything in my cart again.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I prefer the mobile checkout, but Walmart paywalled that.
Replying to @buzz86us@lemmy.world
thats kinda dumb, paying to just to use a checkout to pay.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Hmm I like self checkout because I don’t like dealing with retail people. I’m introverted by nature.
Just get me the F in and get me the F out. Charge the correct price and give me correct change. Machines do this SO WELL.
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Replying to @Felis_Catus_Domesticus@lemmy.world
Another upgrade is that usually all retirees come out of their houses to shop at 11 - 14:00 to shop groceries (same time as employees are getting out for lunch).
The self checkouts are smaller and usally only used by the ones that have small number of items.
And the seniors usually tend to go to the cashiers anyway.
They can jumble with their change while I do not have to wait two eons to finally get out of the shop and back to the office.
Replying to @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Realistically the golden oldies still slow everything down, I’m usually buying at least an energy drink which locks it down until you’ve shown you’re not bloody sixteen. Given how understaffed the shops are, that’s not getting unlocked until Doris or Nigel has finished with their basket.
Replying to @mobyduck648@lemmy.world
I think the only locked down items where I live are alcohol (and probably media that is age restricted for +12).
Side note:
What I observed in a franchise supermarket:
Shop A: Near a substance abuse help center
Shop B: Outskirts of my hometown (The area would peobably called suburban in the US. But there are some industrial, multi-family homes and mixed single houses. So not a classic house to house with garden area like stereotypical. Town is in Germany).
Both stock the “Bombay Saphire Gin”.
Shop A: Locked and needs an employee to open the case
Shop B: Open to grab.
Quite insightful how the area influcences the item presentation and (unrestricted) access.
Replying to @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Yeah I noticed this, moved from a semi-rural area to a city centre and stuff is way more locked down against shoplifters.
Replying to @mobyduck648@lemmy.world
man age checks on energy drinks must suck, we don’t habe that here or I likely would dislike doing self check a little as well.
I would still do it because its defo faster but it might cause me to at least potentially think about it
Replying to @Pika@sh.itjust.works
Yeah it’s a pain in the arse, I’m old enough to feel complimented when I get challenge 25’d but for energy drinks it’s just annoying.
Replying to @Felis_Catus_Domesticus@lemmy.world
Seriously: if they take away our self checkout, we riot.
Replying to @Felis_Catus_Domesticus@lemmy.world
Until the machine needs to verify an alcohol purchase…
Replying to @HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
The one person managing 10 lanes walks over and types in your age. Works pretty well in my experience.
Replying to @GalacticRobot@lemmy.world
Lucky you, she walked by me 10 times while talking to 15 other staff.
Replying to @HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
Bro, you can just drink thr alcohol before buying.
Replying to @Felis_Catus_Domesticus@lemmy.world
That’s an interesting take you have. I personally find there needs to be more interaction in self checkouts as they often error meaning you need to wave down / seek out someone to help.
In the register I say “G’day” "ill pack my own " (take my own bags), and “on the card thanks” . Pretty smooth process , plus it helps keep someone employed and not me working for my own groceries I’m paying for.
Replying to @YeahToast@aussie.zone
Yeah every time in Tesco it takes longer for me as the badly calibrated scale and cheap crappy scanner fall down. I hate the faux-cheery voice that blares at you while it doesn’t work too, you used to be able to mute it but no we all have to listen to that patronising fucker now.
Replying to @YeahToast@aussie.zone
I feel like if you have it often your store has particularly bad machines or you’re accidentally doing something wrong. Granted there’s no tutorial and they have a lot of things that can trip them up, but I’m a daily shopper, sometimes twice daily because it’s in close walking distance to me, and I have to have someone come over maybe once a month, and even then it’ll usually be for approving something like a gift card or knife rather than an error.
Replying to @Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone
Eh, yeah some times. Like if you scan an object whilst holding something in your other hand it’ll lock you out, sometimes if things are too light, some times errors in the scanning. I think taking your own bags also causes a bit of grief if there not perfectly zero’ed out on the scales.
Replying to @YeahToast@aussie.zone
I find that when using my own bags it’s easier to just bag everything in the cart rather than using the scale
Replying to @YeahToast@aussie.zone
I personally find there needs to be more interaction in self checkouts as they often error meaning you need to wave down / seek out someone to help.
Like what?
There is only 2 instances I’ve ever need staff assistance. For age check (regular), and when there is a error with the card terminal (very rare). What other errors can there be?
Replying to @remon@ani.social
Just like my comment above, if there are weight issues with you using your own bag, if you scan an item with something in your other hand , if there’s an error with the barcode , if something is too light to be picked up by the scales… im sure there’s many other things .
Replying to @YeahToast@aussie.zone
Pretty smooth process , plus it helps keep someone employed and not me working for my own groceries I’m paying for.
Keeping someone employed for the sake of employment is the exact opposite thing that should happen. If you can pump your own gas, why should you be forced to have someone else do it for you?
Replying to @GalacticRobot@lemmy.world
If I had the option of someone filling my petrol whilst I just sat in the car I would 100% take that up. That’s a much better service ! Used to happen, guess labor was too expensive. I don’t see there being any harm in helping to keep a young workforce employed instead of doing the work myself for a business?
Replying to @YeahToast@aussie.zone
Shall someone also massage your feet while they pump your gas?
How about also read you a bedtime story?
How about we stop with the useless jobs that waste time and money? Those young workforce could actually be getting experience in a field that is useful to society. And that will get them further in life.
But ah, then you might have to get out of your car and get your own hand dirty. The horror!
You’d rather own slaves, wouldn’t you?
Replying to @Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de
You’re a bit dramatic aren’t you.
I’m guessing you want people to maintain your water and gas pipes. Probably want someone to build the buildings and even chop down the trees for you!? You just want slaves don’t you .
Are you also particularly judgemental of people wanting shelves stocked as well?
Replying to @Felis_Catus_Domesticus@lemmy.world
I’m on the same boat.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I noticed that with self-checkout terminals, fruit varieties are still mis-labeled and missing. I noted that because I write down the price for such items, to be sure I enter the correct variety and price. It wasn’t there. Not only you’d pay more than is on the label - you also risk to be accused of theft if there is a bag ceck. And if you call somebody to correct it, you waste several minutes since the missing variety might not even be in the system.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Good. I fucking hate them.
Do the work yourself and then wait ages while the one checkout assistant deals with everyone else’s issues because your checkout is happily accusing you of theft. Bullshit cost saving at the expense of the customer experience.
Don’t even get me started on Asda’s dystopian AI security gates. Want to take your young child for a piss? ACCESS DENIED! Try to open the gate manually? ALARM! ALARM! SOMEONE IS TRYING TO ASSERT THEIR HUMANITY!
Replying to @rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works
do they still detect rfid chips, or its a pure AI scanner.
Replying to @Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
Not the RFID gantries, they’re still there at the exits and toilets…
These are horrible scifi-looking perspex doors which shut you into the checkout area if they think you’re trying to skip paying. You can pull them apart with your hands with a bit of motor resistance but an alarm goes off.
Replying to @rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works
that sounds stupid, are there even security that will block you if it alarms?
Replying to @Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
There’s security guards but nobody’s stopped me going through the gate yet (when it’s closed on me)
I think it relies on you calling someone to help you open the gate
Replying to @rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works
oh i forgot, company policy disallows stopping people of any kind, we have some at our store, and they dont do anything.
Replying to @rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works
To be clear, it doesn’t actually save them very much money. Like, it may seem like they’re reducing the number of employees, but, most of those employees spend most of their time doing other stuff like restocking shelves, all they’ve really done is reduced the number that hop on to registers when there is a rush.
Like… it’s actually more expensive for them in a lot of ways.
Replying to @megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Not the RFID gantries, they’re still there at the exits and toilets…
These are horrible scifi-looking perspex doors which shut you into the checkout area if they think you’re trying to skip paying. You can pull them apart with your hands with a bit of motor resistance but an alarm goes off.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Immagine how much they wanted it to work…
Replying to @sircac@lemmy.world
and the realizing it backfired, caused more lifting then realized.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Have they tried adding AI? 3D printing? Quantum computing? Space based solar power?
Replying to @HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
I don’t think so but CVS and Walgreens installed digital cooler doors so you can see whats in stock before you open the door. Apparently you couldn’t do that before when the doors were 100% transparent glass that didn’t use extra electricity.
Replying to @aSaabD00d@lemmy.today
Ah, technology. I hope they upgrade to an 8K60 screen?
Replying to @HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
Morrison’s (UK) has something called “vision security” which triggers if the machine learning model thinks you haven’t scanned something, the worker then has to watch the video and verify. It kept triggering on me because I often put my bike helmet in the cart. But it’s easy to place the cart slightly away from the camera and then it won’t see.
Replying to @wylinka@szmer.info
New store near me has problems with the scales, it charged me $0.07 for four bananas. Luckily nothing really checks for coherency.
Replying to @HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
AI, yes.
Once got flagged for theft because the camera saw me put a box down on the far side of the scanner and then used the handheld scanner because it was large. Evidently the box getting past the fixed scanner without scanning triggers theft even if you scan it.
In a convenience store, I put products on a platform and I don’t have to scan barcode and it just “scans” my whole order all at once with machine vision. It worked well for me, but seems to have the clerk on high alert to watch it like a hawk from any mistakes, which sounds exhausting. I got the sense that it screws up a lot and the clerk is on the hook for it.
Replying to @HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
No. Yes. Yes. No.
Replying to @HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
No blockchain? Wait blockchain isn’t passe already is it?
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
This seems very US coded. In euro they’re doubling down even with self scan on the phone or with a tool they give me. I scan them as I put them in my cart and at checkout I just pay and leave. It’s awesome.
Replying to @MashedTech@lemmy.world
Same in Australia regarding doubling down. They’re giving trolleys with an ipad thing on them you scan everything with, and increasing the exit area security so you cannot leave without the staff opening it if you didn’t buy anything, and AI based cameras all over the store and gates that judge whether it should open for you after buying things.
It’s a mix of awesome and horrible.
Replying to @Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone
This is why I don’t shop in stores anymore , I have to do all the work and be treated like a crim. I boycott any place with self checkout and prefer the aldi even though it’s slow with very few registers open.
Replying to @Ickyboo@lemmy.world
My local Aldi has 1 real register and a half dozen self checkouts. Aldi isn’t safe.
Replying to @Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone
and
AImechanical turk based cameras all over the store and gates that judge whether it should open for you after buying things.
I highly doubt they’re actually using AI, given every other claim I’ve seen that starts out like this ending up being poorly paid people in a low wage country.
Replying to @MashedTech@lemmy.world
I have a smart cart at my local grocery store that adds the products to my account. I just pass through payment, no need for scanning anymore. Love it.
Replying to @Schlemmy@lemmy.ml
The cart alsof weighs my products so I only have to scan one barcode. It multiplies by itself.
Replying to @MashedTech@lemmy.world
I’m learning a lot in this thread about European dystopia. I guess if y’all like it to each their own. Over here in the US, we’ve had enough.
Replying to @chilicheeselies@lemmy.world
US here. Scan-as-you-go plus self checkout is amazing. Lay out your reusable bags in the cart when you arrive then pick-scan-bag through the store. Self checkout becomes a 2 minute process at most, no matter how many items you have and everything’s already bagged for the trip home.
Our local store (Stop&Shop) is rather trashy compared to competitors but we go there because of the fast scan and self-checkout process.
Replying to @chilicheeselies@lemmy.world
The thing is, where I live the system works well. It doesn’t make UX choices that make it hard to use, assuming that people are stealing all the time. It’s fast and easy, although so are the human manned checkouts, which also exist and are fine.
Replying to @MashedTech@lemmy.world
I see a trend of completely automated supermarkets.
You scan your card to walk in. The automated system scans the products you take. And you pay in order to leave.
It works pretty well, and is 24/7. You can be entirely alone in that store. And if you need someone there is a phone to a callcenter.
Replying to @Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de
if you need someone there is a phone to a callcenter.
Yeah. Like if you want to leave without buying anything.
Replying to @Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de
One problem your forget to foresee: people will leave shit about, leave products outside of freezers, and misplace things. It needs employees
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Didn’t realize self checkouts were such a divisive topic, like wtf I’ll take that any day of the week over standing in line behind people who have seemingly never been to a supermarket before and their shit is still standing there all over the place while the cashier is already scanning my products. I get that it keeps someone employed but I think the answer to that is better welfare, not sticking to the old ways just so someone gets to do menial shit for a living.
Replying to @recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de
At my grocery store I used to use the self checkout until they instituted a new policy where they would randomly check you and verify that the contents of the bag matched the receipt. Well fuck that, I ain’t gonna be treated like a criminal. I’m back to waiting in the line, let them do the work.
Replying to @wazoobonkerbrain@lemmy.world
Is it a subscription based store, like a Costco?
If so, you signed up for the cart checks. The only thing you can do is not shop there.
If not, once you pay for it, it’s yours, and they have no legal right to touch it or check it unless you give them permission.
All you have to do is kindly say “no thank you” and keep walking. If they stop you, they’re violating other laws.
If they suspect you of theft, they can calls the cops. Otherwise, they must let you pass.
The corpos and cops know the laws and, as such, your rights. It’s time we all know them, too, so we can put them (corpos and cops) all in their place on the ground.
Replying to @01189998819991197253@infosec.pub
I have thought about all of this at great length. The problem is that they can ban me from the store.
Replying to @wazoobonkerbrain@lemmy.world
They can, but if they ban you for not allowing them to check, that’s illegal, and you can sue. If they ban you for theft, they need the cops to prove it.
Keep in mind, you must be kind when you refuse. A nice smile and kind “no thank you” is enough. If you’re combative, they can ban you for that. If they’re dicks that ban for the sake of banning, fuck em
Replying to @wazoobonkerbrain@lemmy.world
At mine there’s one cashier who’s an absolute delight which serves as such a stark contrast to the self checkout that accuses me of stealing regularly and is very hesitant to actually scan some items. Add in that cashiers are faster and I can pay while they scan and it’s just a better experience unless the line is crazy and I don’t have many items
Replying to @wazoobonkerbrain@lemmy.world
Yeah that’s pretty shitty in that case I’d also use the regular checkout
Replying to @wazoobonkerbrain@lemmy.world
Lol, the only place I’m letting them check my work is Costco. I don’t even take my receipt from the machine at other places, and have told employees on more than one occasion that they can go get my receipt from the machine or go check with LP and keep walking.
They can’t legally stop you, so I’m not playing their games.
Replying to @Passerby6497@lemmy.world
They can ban you from the store.
Replying to @wazoobonkerbrain@lemmy.world
Is it a membership store? If not, they would need to have a posted policy that you’re required to follow for that to be a real threat.
The drone at the front of the store is not allowed to do more than request to see your receipt, and playing off that you can’t hear them is also a good option I’ve used in the past when they try.
Replying to @recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de
Using a cashier to me is easier, and I like talking to the person ringing my stuff.
Replying to @recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de
I think a balance is good.
I worked at Target a long time ago as a Front End manager, before the days of self checkout. So I know how to cashier quickly and efficiently, and I get annoyed shopping at other places where the employees or customers are being slow.
I also appreciate just how volatile needs can be and how difficult it can be to staff. There have been books written on the subject, but in short for large stores with a lot of volume, customers do not usually trickle into checkout constantly as one might expect. Instead, they crash against the front of the store like waves. Personally when i’m shopping I try to identify these waves and time my checkout between them. At Target, we would often only have a couple of dedicated cahsiers, and would call the cart attendant or floor employees to help out for these waves. Self-checkout helps to smooth this out a lot and reduces all that walking back-and-forth.
I also hated all the upselling they made cashiers do. Target credit/debit cards and extended warranties on electronics. As an employee it was obnoxious and felt like we were annoying customers. As a customer, I was annoyed. One of my complaints about self-checkout today is how they ask you so many questions. My local grocery store self-checkout requires 5 button presses after i’m done scanning, which i think is bad design.
But also sometimes people need help. Some products are more complicated to buy. Some people are disable. Coupons are a plague upon society which machines are incapable of addressing. Some people just plain want a social experience, and it’s good to have human employees standing around in general. So I like the idea of having a mix.
And, of course, Universal Basic Income so we can stop asking “but what about jobs?” about every new innovation (but fuck AI though).
Replying to @paultimate14@lemmy.world
I agree, I have nothing against both being an option. In my bubble, everyone pretty much uses self checkout exclusively whenever available, except maybe for a large haul, so I was surprised to see how many in the comments actively dislike it.
That part about waves is interesting, it’s absolutely true and it happens all the time but I never really thought about it.
Replying to @recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de
I started as a cart attendant, so I noticed that cars entering the parking lot would usually correspond with the traffic lights nearby. Pretty simple and straightforward.
What’s weirder is that most people exit in groups. Maybe not the same group they came in with. Some people might need to go Guest Services for a return. Some people would stop at Food Ave for a snack. Some used the restaurant. Some would peruse softlines (clothing) for an hour or two with multiple trips to the fitting room. Some would go straight back to the pharmacy for their meds. Some families would come in and split up. And there would be the occasional straggler checking out on their own, but there was an overwhelming tendency for several parties to all check out at once. Then they would form their own traffic leaving the parking lot.
I think some of it is subliminal. Once one group starts to check out, that starts to put the beeps of the register, the hum of the convertor belt, the clatter of items being moved, and the rehearsed conversations of a transaction to float through the air of the front of the store. My hypothesis is that customers shopping in the front who were close to done would have their decision to check out accelerated by this.
Some of it could be the result of all of the other psychological manipulation that happens in retail stores. That is a whole science of its own that I am only vaguely aware exists, but it is very likely that a contributing factor too.
Or it could be emergent from human behavior. For example, studies have shown that people will commute ~1hr max to/from work (I can’t remember the exact number, it might have been closer to 45 minutes). Doesn’t matter if they are walking, riding a horse, rowing a boat, driving a car, taking a bus, taking a train, or any combination. Once the time starts to exceed that amount, people either look for a new job or new home, and this has had an impact on the way that neighborhoods and cities grow over time.
Replying to @recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de
I’m honestly surprised anyone likes self checkout. It’s such a pain in the ass. Almost always have some sort of error that I need to wait to be rescued from.
Maybe it’s different where you are from, but where I am from human cashiers are way more efficient.
Replying to @chilicheeselies@lemmy.world
I like self checkout because i can generally get finished and out of the store sooner than if I go through the cashier. But some grocery checkouts do seem to often have hypersensitive scales and the worst nagging if you’re 2 ms slow to get your item into your bag, or God forbid you take a moment to rearrange things and mess up the calibration. I imagine they have a terrible urge to prevent people from stealing a grape.
Replying to @chilicheeselies@lemmy.world
It depends on the technology. In Holland it’s great. In Belgium it sucks ass. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Replying to @chilicheeselies@lemmy.world
Totally depends on the store you’re shopping at, foremost. Then secondarily what products you’re buying.
Where I live, self checkout is usually faster but I’ll still go through a regular line periodically. Frankly though I’m just picking up groceries most of the time at this point. It’s easy and if the people grabbing you things have a touch of empathy you get fine looking produce and meats too.
Anyways, you’re right it is definitely heavily dependent on where you live. Hell some places, especially in upper middle class areas, have a lot of the detection shit turned off (like you can actively put wrong weight stuff in or bypass the scans entirely - there’s a chance you may still get flagged but it’ll let you finish the order up before someone comes to put a code in to override it).
I guess if you’re going to commit petty theft I’d suggest you buy a decent outfit from a second hand store and go to a nicer grocery store self checkout.
Replying to @chilicheeselies@lemmy.world
The ones that need to match the weight of the product are absolutely horrible and full of errors.
The ones that only need to scan barcodes are ok-ish. Sometimes you can run into weird situations, like I managed to find a product that had two barcodes for some reason, and I scanned the “wrong” one and it confused the machines. Or there was a product that printed their barcode so tiny that the machine couldn’t scan it. But those are rare.
The fun part is when you try to buy any alcohol because over here they need to call a human to confirm you’re an adult.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I kinda enjoy self checkout. Admittedly I’m one of those people that has a bag of 6 apples but rings up only 4, or inputs the cheaper sku on grapes.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I always, within reason, try to check out with a person and use cash.
Replying to @82tenterstreet@lemmy.world
Until you realise they closed all but one staffed checkout.
Replying to @ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk
Do it anyway. And complain to the management and the head office if that one staffed checkout is overburdened and you have to wait an unreasonable amount of time.
Replying to @nyan@lemmy.cafe
And they will point to the self checkouts. The better idea is not to use them or go to stores that have them, but at least in my area its the majority of places. However this seems like the old argument of forcing someone to pump gas for you to save someone’s job. Very few complain about putting gas in their own vehicles.
Replying to @GalacticRobot@lemmy.world
You point out up front that self-checkouts are not a substitute and ideally list the ways that theirs are broken. In the case of the local management, talk over them if you have to in order to make your point.
And yes, I complain about having to punp gas, too.
Replying to @82tenterstreet@lemmy.world
I always, within reason try to avoid those exact things.
Replying to @82tenterstreet@lemmy.world
Well aren’t you a dandy mint patty? When I pay, I don’t, and all my groceries are fre. Fucking Ez mood, amirite?
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I never use self-checkouts but I observe them while walking by. I wait in line for a clerk at a cash register while all those in the self-checkout line seem to have a personal assistant.
Replying to @melsaskca@lemmy.ca
Because morons love self checkout.
Replying to @melsaskca@lemmy.ca
At least in my neck of the woods there isn’t a lot of choice. Self check out, or your alternative is shopping online.
Replying to @melsaskca@lemmy.ca
My preferred shops in Denmark allow you to use an app to scan and bag produce while roaming the store, payment is done on the app as well and to exit you show a QR code to a scanner. I love it
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I don’t think this means they are actually pulling out.
Its unclear to me if the 36% is bc they already have the tech so they don’t plan to invest further and new adoption don’t happen bc everyone who “needs” it already has it or if the ones who have it are planning to get rid of it.
To me it just sounds like the people at the top didn’t foresee the problems that actually arise in a real world setting and their overconfidence gets adjusted to a more reasonable outlook but the self checkout will not go anywhere, 36% is still a pretty big number, self checkout might just not be feasible for a lot of places in the first place.
I see it being implemented in more places not less, they are just finetuning it now.
Replying to @waterwasamistake@lemmy.zip
I’m sure they were shown a staged demo of how the camera and “AI” catches people putting items in the bag without scanning and that convinced them the tech was good enough.
But, the scan camera check only catches people who aren’t trying to fool it. There are easy ways around it.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I don’t see any evidence they’re “pulling back”, at least not in Europe. More and more are self service checkouts than ever before. That said I think stores prefer the kiosks where people scan their items than the kind where people have barcode readers and wander the store scanning (or not scanning) goods.
Replying to @arc99@lemmy.world
My experience isnt representative of the situation as a whole, but ive noticed a pull back in our usual shopping locations (mid-west US). Our local Meijer (grocery) closed half of the self checkouts and added two more people to their standard checkout lanes plus a few more to assist the remaining self checkout. Costco near us got rid of their self checkout entirely. Aldi on the other hand installed more self checkouts, but its in a gated area where you have to scan your receipt to get out.
Replying to @Sprinks@lemmy.world
My local LIDL in Ireland just installed a self-checkout / gate system. Curiously there is an ALDI not far away with self-checkout and no gate. Near to that is a Tesco which has self checkout and another lane for the bar code reader devices. I hardly ever see people with bar code readers. I don’t believe anybody likes those - not staff, not customers.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
You still need employees to help hapless customers and flag tech problems, the security cameras from above to dissuade theft, and someone to man the monitors of said cameras. They were banking on full human replacement. Can’t wait for our AI future with a store devoid of employees where they drop a net from the ceiling and pepper spray me because I forgot my eggplant was the organic price.
Replying to @Denfa@lemmy.world
They are banking on the majority being honest.
We’ll see honest people are when AI has taken their job and they need to eat.
Replying to @Brimstone@lemmy.ml
We’ll see how honest (principled) people act when faced with unfair circumstances
Replying to @Brimstone@lemmy.ml
They’re not honest so I see no reason to be.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Self-checkout was a boon because reduced wages to process customers (in theory).
Now they have an even better mechanism to push: delivery and pickup. Keep the customers away from the merchandise except what they have already paid for. Wal-Mart pushing the promise of free delivery under 22 minutes when I go to check if they have something in-store.
Replying to @jj4211@lemmy.world
It’s only free until they hook you.
Replying to @TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world
I don’t think they even advertise it as free, if they are it should be illegal/made illegal as it is only with the purchase of their subscription services.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
It’s not my fault if the chocolate milk lid is loose.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Reads like a misleading statistic. Why would you invest in self-checkout if you already have it in place?
Replying to @CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca
I mean, the fact that growth is slowing is relevant. What would be really interesting is: has the pace of opening new stores changed? Because if they’re opening lots of new stores without investing in more self checkout machines, that would be indicative that they’re going to be less of a thing going forward
Replying to @kestrel7_7@lemmy.world
A more relevant number, to me, would be to track if self checkouts are decreasing.
At my home depot, all of the checkouts are self serve with an employee overseer if you have problems. If HD decides to open a ‘manned’ checkout counter, does that make the self checkout a failure? I dont see it that way.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Also, the last time I went to a cashier, because it was the one time I saw a long line at the self-check lane, I stood in the short line, I was third, while the cashier chatted up the customers, left the line to help another cashier with something and was generally very slow. I suspect they’re not required to be efficient anymore, and perhaps even encouraged not to be. I watched as the guy I would have been behind in the self-check line left the store while I was still second in line at the cashier.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
At supermarkets in my country they have a system where they will semi-randomly check what you have in your bags the moment before you’d pay.
There’s random things that make it more likely like buying meat but there’s definitely a random element to it.
What i have noticed, however is that at times of financial strife (or just before them), the regularity of me getting checked can go through the roof (25% baseline chance up to 70-80% at peak).
And so I’m beginning to see these signs as a recession indicator. Especially as it’s a massive supermarket chain with access to a lot of customer and market data.
Probably someone smarter than me could use this to make money.
Replying to @sunbytes@lemmy.world
all this fancy technology, why can’t people just steal the old fashioned way, shoplifting is a real buzz
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
It certainly always saves me time. Especially when I cut out doing the part where I pay.
Replying to @Kolanaki@pawb.social
If you are actually doing this, the store cameras are waiting for you to hit a magic number where you’ve stolen enough in value to be worth going after.
Replying to @Frigidlollipop@lemmy.world
That’s why you rotate stores and never hit the same one more than a few times.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I’d rather do self-checkout because these people have no joy in life and they will sit there and drag their asses for minutes chatting with Sally Sue about nothing and then to this one poster’s point they’ll leave the line to help somebody else and you’re left just standing there holding your crap when you could have gone to the self-checkout and been out and and on your way. So that would really piss me off if they killed the self-checkout because the inefficiency is unbelievable. I think maybe in more urban areas with nefarious locals sure kill them or at least heavily monitor them because people be trying to be scumbags and it’s not right to steal from a grocery store regardless if the prices are insane or not
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
As someone that absolutely despises self-checkout I’d be happy if this was the case, but I don’t believe this. I’ve had stores open up near me this year that only have self-checkout options.
I’m not doing labour for a company where I’m not getting a discount for it. I’d rather wait longer in line for a person to do it than to go through self-checkout out of principle. Plus all self-checkouts I’ve ever used are designed end up pissing me off because they are designed to be user hostile.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
The thing I hate the most about supermarket self-checkout is they put the bag dispensers right against the scale where you need to put your bagged stuff. This leaves so little room the bag will fall over, etc so I have to put it on the floor. Then the register complains that I have removed it without paying, etc. FFS.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Now if they could just get people to put refrigerated/frozen food back where they found it instead of leaving it wherever they happen to be standing. I love finding some meat sitting on the cereal shelf. Lazy f’ers.
Replying to @SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world
In the olden days they used to pay someone to restock it.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Is it? Not where I live.
Replying to @NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
Where tf do you live? Tacoma?
Replying to @GormayRawdog@lemmy.world
Yes actually, how’d you know?
Replying to @NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
I have many gains to be had there.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I don’t like self checkout. Every time I feel I’m doing their cashier job for free.
Replying to @Chivera@lemmy.world
What’s next? Pumping our own gas?! Bagging our own groceries?!?
Replying to @DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org
y’all talk like you don’t have man servants.
Replying to @Chivera@lemmy.world
I mean, you could say that about a lot of things.
Grabbing all your groceries from the shelf? The store could also pay someone for that job.
Loading everything in your trunk. Let the store pay someone so you don’t hurt your back.
Putting away your cart. Yet again, someone could be paid for that.
Why don’t you mind doing all these things for free, but do mind scanning your items?
Replying to @Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de
Grabbing all your groceries from the shelf
They will do that if I want them to. They will have it all ready to go.
Loading everything in your trunk
They will do this too
Putting away your cart
They send someone out to collect the carts, yes.
If they want me to actually ring up the items and determine how much I owe them, I am fine with it, but I am going to charge myself whatever I want to. I mean it became my job, so I am going to do it as I see fit.
Seems like the most reasonable part of the transaction they might want to be involved in.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Good. Just pay people, society is for people. All of these cost saving schemes from capitalists in service of infinite greed end up failing and wasting even more money than they would have made or saved simply by paying people for their labour. Also, wealth tax immediately, I mean now.
Replying to @Binturong@lemmy.ca
People like self checkout and if that saves the shop money thats a win/win. Not everything is an evil scheme. When competent governments are in power unemployment isnt high enough that we need to make things worse to give people jobs to do.
Replying to @Auth@lemmy.world
That IF is doing a lot of heavy lifting here, as the article will point out. People like convenience when they feel perosnally disconnected from it, but I’m always sensitive to the implication of the adoption of a technology and long term goals, and you should be too. You claim it’s a win/win, but if this were applied broadly it would eliminate jobs for people who might not have good alternatives, if any, with no provisions for acces to other future labour. This is bad for ALL of us, even if you’re not working in retail and you don’t think people should have to, because like a chain our society is only as strong as the weakest and most neglected parts. Retail is largely a undesireable job because of OUR culture of consumption that gives people free license to treat employees like shit, and for the owning class to pay them as little as possible and disrespect their labour.
This is why you need to expand your view and afford respect for every worker working any job, their labour has intrinsic value to society, remember that you, the consumer, are the one creating the demad for their job to exist. Don’t forget the knock-on effect for owners who see tactics like this succeeding leading to more automation projects to eliminate more labour costs for the exclusive benefit of CEOs and shareholders. Based on these facts, I’m telling you, you’re wrong to think of this so simplistically, and to make so many assumptions in the face of clear precedents in corporate actions for pure profiteering. I know the purpose of coporations is to generate profit, and that’s true, which is also why we can only tolerate their existence with strictly imposed limits on their growth because by design unregulated capital will cannibalize society, the retail workers are the canaries in that coal mine, so to speak.
Replying to @Binturong@lemmy.ca
What do you mean the IF is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Its not doing heavy lifting. People like self checkout and if that saves the shop money thats a win/win and if it doesnt thats a win for people and a loss for the shop.
Your point about this being applied broadly and eliminating jobs is dumb. Technological advancement HAS been applied broadly and it does eliminate jobs and yet historically unemployment has been low because there is plenty of work to go around. Sure you can point to some points of high unemployment in history 10-20% but overall there has been no evidence that would suggest we should be passing on advancements to keep a job. So no self checkouts are not ‘bad for all of us’ and the rest of your rant is not worth addressing pure brainrot.
Replying to @Auth@lemmy.world
“and if it doesnt thats a win for people and a loss for the shop.” This case is not a win for people. The people did not ask the shop to automate services better rendered by humans. Half the time shops have to have a human on hand to help the self checkouts when they fail or reader errors plague the customers. I personally have had those machines stall out or stop working and waste my time and that of one of the few workers still around the store which slows up service somewhere else cause of understaffing. These things are specifically not an advancement if you’ll turn your attention to the article that started this post.
“Your point about this being applied broadly and eliminating jobs is dumb.” How? Why is humans losing jobs dumb?
You want to vaguely gesture to all technology being good just by virtue of being new, but these things end up being terrible busienss decisions all the fucking time, too. Some work, some don’t, and almost all aren’t done for the benefit of anybody but the bottom line of the owners. You write like you have no point of reference or understanding of working life, or ability to connect to other people in society given the way you just handwave human replacement. It’s embarassing frankly, you want to call nuance brain rot to avoid engaging with it because you’re developmentally challenged.
Replying to @Auth@lemmy.world
Also, the point of tech is to free people from needing to toil at bullshit jobs so they can pursue their actual passions.
Unfortunately, we live in capitalism that insists people must toil to “earn” their right to live, which completely negates the benefits of tech that frees people from toiling, because that toil is how most people make a wage.
Replying to @Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net
the point of tech is to free people from needing to toil at bullshit jobs so they can pursue their actual passions.
Its not. Tech can be pointless, it can be to free up labor to pursue more furfiling work, it can be for captial owners to reduce labor, it can be just to do something more accurately. The point of technology is whatever humans are trying to achieve through it.
we live in capitalism that insists people must toil to “earn” their right to live, which completely negates the benefits of tech that frees people from toiling, because that toil is how most people make a wage.
Fortunately we live in Captialist economies where private ownership exists and can decide how to operate their business if that means they want to have 4 checkout lanes and a self serivce section they can, if that means 8 checkout lanes they can, if that means self service only they can. Checkout operator isnt a bullshit job that people do to waste time. If you want a store you need a checkout operator or a machine that can do equivalent work. Work must be done for society to function, its not an optional thing in any economic system. Hopefully this addresses your brainrot ‘capitalism bad’ response.
Also we dont live in “captialism where people must toil to earn their right to live” if you dont work you can still live. You get food and housing and you can live, it wont be an materially rich life but there is nothing stopping you from living and you can find your own meaning without money. Also the US is the worst for this, most captialist countries you can not work and have a much better quality of life.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I’m mixed.
I dislike peopling in person, and I hate lines with a passion, but I also hate putting cashiers out of business, running the register myself, and waiting for one person in charge of 17 registers to come over and figure out WTF just went wrong with the checkout process, which is also peopleing and lines.
Replying to @rumba@lemmy.zip
I quite like self checkout, because I am quite a bit faster at scanning my own stuff, than the old as shit people in front of me, who need to find exact cash, and need to read the entire receipt before moving, so they can complain to the cashier that they paid €0,1 too much for their carrots. Even better is mobile checkout though, so I can just scan whatever I need on my way through the shop and pay while walking out.
Replying to @MBech@feddit.dk
Depends on how much I’m buying. If I’m doing a bi-weekly shopping run, I’ll be way slower at self check. If it’s just a few things, I’m quicker.
I’ve never heard of mobile checkout though.
Replying to @Joelk111@lemmy.world
It’s been a thing here for a few years. You scan the barcode with your phone, put it in your bag, net, suitcase, whatever, and then just scan a qr code on your way out and pay with whatever payment you want. I started using it while waiting in line at a checkout, and managed to set up the app, verify my age, set up payment option, scan everything, and pack it, before the 3 people in front of me were done.
Replying to @MBech@feddit.dk
Where is “here?”
Replying to @Joelk111@lemmy.world
Denmark
Replying to @rumba@lemmy.zip
At this point I find the errors are pretty rare and much prefer self-checkout, mainly because it’s faster, and as you put it, I often don’t care for peopling.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
In 2016 I used self checkout if I wanted to get through quickly.
In 2026 I look for a cashier.
Replying to @zoltanshields@lemmy.zip
Strange, I use self-checkout daily in Canada, and its great, for just a handful of items usually, I don’t have to hold up anyone needing to checkout an entire households worth of groceries.
Replying to @yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca
I use the express checkout for that. Cashier is always faster and you can usually walk right up to an empty counter just past the lineup for the self checkout at the local Sobey’s.
Replying to @zoltanshields@lemmy.zip
Can you elaborate? Here in NZ the self checkout is so much faster and less hassle.
Replying to @smeenz@lemmy.nz
At least where I am in the southern US self-checkout ends up being slower.
Ten years ago my experience was likely similar to yours, pretty quick to just scan your own groceries, not much of a line to speak of as some people are opting for a cashier. Go for the self checkout every time.
The trouble now is that there aren’t enough cashiers so almost everyone has to go through self checkout. Longer line but you would think it wouldn’t make that much of a difference.
But they only have one attendant watching all the self checkouts. So if three people are buying beer at once you have only one to go around checking their IDs. If an item (usually a fruit or vegetable) doesn’t have a proper entry in the kiosk’s database and no barcode to scan then the attendant has to go by and manually enter a code scan the item to unlock the machine. For example when buying habaneros my grocery store only had an entry for “green habaneros”, if you selected them the machine would call a cashier over because you picked an item they don’t actually have. Don’t even get me started on their touchy anti theft measures erroneously triggering because you moved your hand weird when setting down a bag.
Again, none of this was really a problem back then, but now at my grocery store it’s one attendant handling 8 self checkouts at once where any number could have these problems to resolve.
This part may be more in my head, but I also frequently feel like I’m stuck behind people who have never used a touchscreen before, or been in a grocery store, or exchanged currency for goods. Someone always needs help with some part of the process and if you add that to the problems I listed above, it can really slow things down.
Replying to @zoltanshields@lemmy.zip
You are talking about all the bullshit that requires assistance now aren’t you? I don’t even buy alcohol and some stores will require me to wait for assistance for multiple items every time I go in. Unfortunately, these are also the stores where they no longer have cashiers at all.
Paint and shit kids might huff… I can understand, there are laws after all, but random high theft items? The fact that I scanned it at all should be a clear indicator that I am not trying to steal it you dumb fucks.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
The article talks about time savings but it was always about labor costs and I have a hard time believing it didn’t deliver on that front.
Replying to @OriginalTangle@feddit.org
If you put your blinders on and only look at that one line on the spreadsheet, it was probably “successful” in that regard. They pay fewer employees, full stop.
But that doesn’t take into account the fact that the machines themselves are extremely expensive up front, have a nontrival setup cost, require ongoing maintenance, assuredly these days come with some manner of mandatory service contract attached, and the monetary losses from theft on the machines are huge. So whether or not any large businesses actually came out ahead on the proposition as a whole is questionable, and I don’t have the data to support a conclusion there either way.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
This feels surreal, self checkout is insanely normal here and theres no scales and or other sensors besides normal cctv. Switzerland, for context.
Replying to @Verdorrterpunkt@feddit.org
Same in Norway
Replying to @jestho@lemmy.zip
Same in New Zealand
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
This probably has a wide latitude of success depending on whether it’s a high trust or low trust society.
Replying to @TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca
I trust you on that.
Replying to @smeenz@lemmy.nz
I don’t
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Most of those who have one don’t plan to have an other one? Ok, but is that supposed to be weird?
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Pretty funny coincidence here
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I was astounded the other day when I visited a town that had a nice busy grocery store. It was like what I imagine the 70’s were like. They had 20 lanes OPEN with cashiers quickly and efficiently ringing up items, much faster than I could, with baggers neatly and efficiently filling the bags. There were no waiting lines because everyone found a cashier lane to walk right up to as the last person was finishing up.
It was ten times faster than a self checkout.
I rarely see that anymore. Its usually one lone cashier and a bunch of people waiting for a self checkout machine.
Replying to @NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
The 70s sucked for many reasons. However this was not one of them.
Replying to @NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
Look at this shill for Big Little Town Grocery. We see your cards bud. Get your lobby-grubbering hands outta the thin-margin profits of real American heros of the grocery industry like Wegman’s and Walmart. These equals in saving the world from the theft of the predation of your marketshare dominance are of the forefront of ways to be as we can be all the mannerism of Christ it be! So get the hell on outta these parts boy, we got you on the split, y’get?
Replying to @NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
I see that a lot in more expensive stores in more bougie areas.
I don’t see it much at all in my poor bitch ass stores.
Replying to @NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
At our grocery store, their self checkout hates me because I apparently scan things too fast.
Replying to @NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
For what we pay, every store could be this way, but the billionaires keep demanding more and more of the profits.
They’d only “need” to raise prices to keep their personal profit up. Fuck every single billionaire with a running chainsaw hard in the ass.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I definitely prefer self checkout, I’m already shopping for myself why not just checkout myself.
Think about it, were already doing the Labour the shopkeeper used to do by picking our own grocery, so is self checkout not just the logical next step.
Outside of wages and the evilness of Walmart and shit I’m just talking about pure tech and grocery stores that actually pay a living wage.
Replying to @HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Also, it’s quicker and I don’t have to talk to anyone.
Replying to @Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world
The machines have cameras and are recording you. Yes I know they also have cameras around the cashier’s place, but not staring you in the fucking face. Also I can pay in cash.
Replying to @ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
Uh you can pay in cash at the self checkout as well? I’ve never had an issue doing so.
Replying to @Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net
Often enough to be annoying there is only one checkout machine of many that accepts cash, and a bunch of people are lining up for that one machine.
Replying to @Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net
Many do not have that option. Some do. But others don’t.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Good. Fuck self check out.
Replying to @ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
I’ve said this many times, but self checkout as a thing isnt inherently bad. They are a perfectly viable alternative for people who only grabbed a couple things, or something they find personally embarrassing and don’t want to have a cashier see, or dont want to be social/deal with people.
What made it bad is that these stores replaced 90% of their checkout lanes with self checkout, then refused to have anyone operate any of the checkout lanes. Which sucks for anyone buying more than a couple things. If you have a full cart for your monthly shopping, going through self checkout is like a 40 minute ordeal cause theres no counter space or anything (and i shouldnt be expected to do that much work to check myself out unless you are giving me like a 20% discount for doing it).
I’m glad to see them reducing the number of self checkout lanes, but i hope they keep at least a couple.
Replying to @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
Yeah, it really should’ve been kept as a 15 items or less lane.
Replying to @Equinox1289@sh.itjust.works
I would say even less, really. 5 items or less.
Replying to @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
I’d say instead make an aisle and cart design for the store such that the store’s shopping carts would not be able to enter the self-checkout. Essentially, each shopper would be limited to what they can carry in a basket or two, with the added limitation that the checkout bagging area is only big enough for 2 baskets that cannot be removed once you start.
Replying to @Omgpwnies@lemmy.world
Thats way to much of a stretch. Cause no ones gonna invest in new shopping carts for every store, and to make it too narrow for a cart to enter would be uncomfortably narrow for people.
and its unnecessary, just have maybe, depending on the size of the store, 2-4 self checkouts. and have a cashier on hand at all times to handle cart loads. 2 or more for high traffic hours. a lot simpler solution.
Replying to @ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
I personally love self checkout. The option for the five finger discount is such a great benefit.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
They could have saved so much time and money by just paying the cashiers a living wage.
Replying to @the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world
But dehumanizing the workers seemed so much fun!
Replying to @the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world
If you can’t develop the agency to acquire employment at a living wage or - here’s a fucky idear for ya - start your own (successful) business, then you deserve to succumb to entrapy, imo
Replying to @GormayRawdog@lemmy.world
I think you deserve the same thing.
Replying to @willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com
I have more will than you’ll ever be!
Replying to @GormayRawdog@lemmy.world
The cool kids measure with empathy and kindness… not with dicks like you.
Replying to @GormayRawdog@lemmy.world
Empathy, it is really becoming scarcer with each passing day.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
If I can’t check out a clerk or cashier when checking out at a food/grocery outlet, that business is shit and deserves to die.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
All self-checkouts I see around here are either completely empty, or full of workers who have to help the people using them, at least about 1 worker for every 4 self-checkout stations.
Replying to @MithranArkanere@lemmy.world
The only self checkout machines I’ve ever seen that actually seem to save time are the ones in IKEA. That’s only because people are buying such bulky heavy items that they don’t bother weighing them. It’s the scales that cause all the problems, they are sensitive enough that they can detect if you put so much as a single piece of paper on them but are I’ll let down by the fact no one weighs the original product.
Oh there’s an unexpected item in the bagging area is the, could it possibly be that loaf of bread I just scanned? No apparently not because this product is overweight by a whole nanogram.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
My main issue with self checkout is simple. They constantly incorrectly flag me for shoplifting and then proceed to show my shiny bald head from top down to everyone within 20 feet on the checkout screen. It is not a flattering angle.
Replying to @billwashere@lemmy.world
I had one pull this shit on me like six or seven times, and the funny thing is it was because of a pharmacy bag in the basket, so what do I do now? I run the pharmacy bag over the scanner, it doesn’t do anything, I put it in the bag, and it doesn’t complain, which tells me if I actually was stealing, it actually wouldn’t be going off.
Replying to @billwashere@lemmy.world
Where a hat with something rude on the top. Or draw a nipple on the top when you go shopping.
Replying to @Test_Tickles@lemmy.world
I like the way you think. 😄
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I use self-checkout occasionally. On the one hand I don’t absolutely hate if I have a few items. Yea, I cannot scan nearly as quickly as the pros. Which is fine if I have three things. Luckily I have mever either been accused of theft myself or seen it happen to anyone else.
That said, I will absolutely not be sad to see these machines go. Nothing of value will be lost.
Hire more cashiers and pay them a living wage so they don’t have to immedeately sign up for food stamps right after being accepted into employment. Our government should not be subsidizing the billionaires, who are all mentally unwell from having long since surpassed mere riches.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I’m pretty sure I stolen bottle of wine because of the self checkout.
I’m bought a bunch of stuff and some wine, I scan to the bottle and it beeped and I put it in the bag but then no one came to ID me when it came time to paying, presumably it somehow didn’t register.
Replying to @echodot@feddit.uk
May be that they used a camera with face age guessing
That’s More likely…
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
In North Italy almost all groceries stores offer
Self checkout: where you do your groceries and at the end you scan the item one by one
Advanced self checkout (you are registered to the store): you get a PDA and you scan and bag all the groceries while you roam the store. Then you scan a qr, you get the total, pay and go. No Id checks for alcol or anything (sometimes you get a random partial re-reading where you get an sales person coming and scanning 3 items at random from your bag to check if you scanned them, or a total re-read)
Normal slow cashier point
Advanced self checkout is something I would never give back. Even if I buy a lot of things, the quick payment process is so quick that nothing compares.
I can enter and leave a store in under 10 minutes buying a lot of stuff (note that I go there walking multiple time per week)
Replying to @Alfredo_DisguidoAlCazzo@reddthat.com
Advanced checkout sounds awesome.
Replying to @Alfredo_DisguidoAlCazzo@reddthat.com
We have that system in Sweden as well. In my experience if you add up the total time lost fiddling with the scanner while browsing the store it’s usually much more than the time you save during checkout.
Replying to @tolo@feddit.org
Honestly it scans, beep, next
It has a screen and you can click a product to remove it (you need to rescan it)
Other than a time where I could not rescan a product to delete it, it always worked
Also an important note: you can actual see your total on the PDA, and you can manually check prices one by one
You don’t have idea how many times they put a price and then you scan it and it’s different
(Once I brought home 4x 200g hamburgers for 4 cent )
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I’m pretty sure delivery made it obsolete?
Curbside delivery is awesome, in many situations.
And they can afford to leave a few checkers in there for the situations that call for in-store shopping. That’s where self checkout would fail anyway.
Replying to @brucethemoose@lemmy.world
Delivery or click&collect is the worst option. I like to actually pick my fruit, veg & meat very specifically rather than just getting whatever the overworked grocery store worker throws in in the mad rush to complete orders in the allotted time.
Replying to @JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone
This. I will not trust just anyone to pick my food for me.
Replying to @brucethemoose@lemmy.world
If you buy a lot of fresh groceries, curbside is worthless. You either get a cartful of compost or stuff you can’t eat until next week
Replying to @Bristlecone@lemmy.world
I used to think this, and maybe I’ve been lucky, but I get fresh produce whenever I try.
I would never get a huge produce order curbside, but I use it for the odd thing here and there.
Replying to @brucethemoose@lemmy.world
Usually fresh veggies and fruit are about 90% of my cart. So I haven’t even tried curbside in years. I love how it is a useful job, though. Hopefully they are paying a living wage.
Replying to @Bristlecone@lemmy.world
It’s efficient for the grocery store, too. There’s no chance of shoplifting, less foot traffic they have to deal with and clean up after, less dealing with problematic customers.
Honestly, I could see future grocery stores being 90% curbside, with only a walk-through section for produce. This would save tons of space and work.
Replying to @brucethemoose@lemmy.world
I’ve used delivery on a few items when it was free, and felt a little guilty about it. Once, I added some coffee to my online order that was only available to ship, just to get it over the $35 free delivery, because it’s something I buy every week, anyway. They fucking delivered just the coffee, free or not, such a waste. But, I won’t pay a premium for it. I’m not rich.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I would be sad to lose my beloved self checkout :( I still want real people and full service lanes for bigger / more complicated purchases, but daily small purchases are much more relaxing self-serve.
Many likely believe self-checkout saves time compared to a cashier lane, but the opposite may be true.
Oh actual cashiers are faster no doubt, but they’re almost too fast. They’ll spin 15 items through in 3 seconds and I can’t check prices or bag fast enough. Once I’ve paid I still have a minute of bagging with next in line pushing me down and 2 minutes of reading the receipt prices left… in self check out I like being able to catch prices errors as they ring up and have less pressure bagging.
Replying to @IronKrill@lemmy.ca
In my personal experience, especially in recent years, cashiers are often not even faster than self-checkout (though I’ve often experienced bagging pressure, lol). They’re either chatty extroverts who slow everything down because they’re socializing too much, or they’re new employees who don’t seem to know how to do their job yet (I assume this is prevalent due to high turnover, which is increasingly common).
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Self check-out should be for maximum 5-5 products, no more. They should be Fast lane only.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I hate it and won’t miss it. The workflow is brittle and the anti-theft measures throw too many false positives. Every third time I use it, it requires staff intervention. I’ll always go to a checker if I have the choice of doing so.
Replying to @phutatorius@lemmy.zip
I work retail and I’ve just come to the conclusion that… the system is just never gonna work for how people do.
They’re about as simple as you can make it; scan from one side to the other, scanning one item at a time, into your bag; when bag is full remove it and begin a new bag; continue until all your items are scanned and press “Pay” and follow the prompts.
About 1 in 3 people struggle with this. They scanned from right to left instead of left to right, they pressed “pay” too early and can’t figure out how to go back, they picked up a bag and waved something in front of the scanner so it scanned twice accidentally, there is an “ERROR: Unknown Barcode” popup but they were re-arranging their bag and can’t remember the last item put through, their kid or spouse decided to “help” and now the machine’s confused…
We’ve had them for years and it’s not getting any better. There’s no fixing it. Sometimes customers are dumb, sure (a few I question whether they can even read), but also you can’t blame people for just acting like humans.
Replying to @DoctorWhoDMC@lemmy.world
the left to right requirement is solved my the much smaller machines that only have bags on the right and nothing on the left, without a scale thst does anything except weigh produce, and with an employee to overlook less than a dozen machines
Replying to @jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works
You’re describing the exact machines I work with.
And no, people still manage to scan the wrong direction. Kind of a lot. You would think the bag racks would be a dead giveaway. They are not.
Replying to @DoctorWhoDMC@lemmy.world
does the scan direction matter? because I’ve gone through them scannin things from right to left (putting them into a backpack on the floor) and it works fine.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Self Checkout hat serious drawbacks:
A store near me in germany has recently switched a number of rows to self checkout. Absolute chaos, nobody wants it, long rows on the few chashier points. I saw it exactly one time, told me what i think, they tried to sell me the convenience, i told them what i wrote here plus that they are located in a commercial area, not a mixed housing/commerce area. Nobody goes there to buy a handful of stuff. People came for “Hamsterkäufe” (german colloquial, hamstering essentially: buying large quantities for reserve), self checkout is not convenient. I will not visit there anymore, there are other stores who don’t do this crap.
Replying to @SalemsLot@feddit.org
reduction in labour requirements is good, scanning errors should have updated legislation so that the company is responsible for reasonable mistakes, capitalism incentivizes improvements in efficiency and rewards it with increased profits.
Replying to @jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works
Why is it good for anyone else?
Replying to @Squizzy@lemmy.world
because, in theory, it will lead to a reduction in prices. In practice this requires a highly competitive market that would exist significantly more if the antitrust laws were enforced.
Replying to @jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works
AKA trickle down economics. Thats worked really well
Replying to @Redditsucks1@lemmy.world
did trickel down economics not promote the exact opposite of antitrust enforcement?
Replying to @jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works
Until unions are strong and anti compeition has a spine, labour efficiency should not be championed.
Replying to @Squizzy@lemmy.world
unions are just workers forming a monopoly
Replying to @jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works
Do you know what monopoly means?
Replying to @Squizzy@lemmy.world
a single supplier of a good or service, workers supply labour to those that want to purchase it.
Replying to @jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works
Neither are true
Replying to @SalemsLot@feddit.org
I wonder if anyone has become injured during self checkout and attempted a workers compensation claim
Replying to @SalemsLot@feddit.org
If lower operating costs doesn’t lead to lower costs to the consumer, it’s not the fault of the self checkouts. Then it’s a lack of competition which would keep margins low. It’s your government at fault for not regulating the market properly.
In my neck of the woods grocery stores all operate with razor thin margins. So I’m fairly sure they’d cut prices if self checkout allows them to. There’s so many people chosing grocery stores primarily based on price.
Why would I care about doing the cashiers work? We don’t have baggers where I live. The work is essentially the same as bagging. In many cases I explicitly want to use self check out because it’s more convenient and saves me time. If I need three items I can scan them and put them in my bag and be out of the store before I’d get half way through the checkout line.
As for theft, in principle I see the problem. In practice I’ve never heard of anyone being charged for it around here.
If we can operate shops with less labor I think that’s just good. We should instead focus on creating other more meaningful jobs. Again, a government issue IMO. We need more teachers and nurses but we don’t pay them well enough.
Replying to @SalemsLot@feddit.org
One more - what about produce? Most produce I encounter does not have any way to scan it and I’m not going to sit there and look up a bunch of stuff. Good checkers know the produce codes by heart and makes that process so much more efficient.
Replying to @SalemsLot@feddit.org
I hear you, but scanning in store means I save a lot of time. Queues at UK supermarkets are really long. It also allows me to keep an eye on how much I’m spending and spot it when discounts are correctly registered. Unlike what you’re describing about how self scans are received there, they have been accepted a long time ago here.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
What country is this? They seem to becoming more prevalent here. (Canada) My observation is that people generally look at the cashier lines. If there’s too long a wait, they head for the self-checkout. Or, if they only have a few items, they head to the self-checkout.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Im surprised how many people here hate self checkout. I am much faster at scanning and bagging my own items than most cashiers. I almost never get errors, and if I do I know what to do to clear them typically. I always look at self check first, and then human lines second. Plus, none if that “how’s your day? Want to apply for a store credit card?” talk from a bored looking cashier.
Replying to @Frigidlollipop@lemmy.world
Hell yeah. They can’t take it away from me now. Idgaf what Walmart does, I haven’t given them a red cent in years. I’m all about WINCO & COSTCO. If you don’t have winco where you are, I’m sorry for you
Replying to @Frigidlollipop@lemmy.world
I kinda like people
Replying to @Frigidlollipop@lemmy.world
funny, I like it for the opposite reason. If I am buying a lot of groceries and want to pack them into my shopping trolley nicely, but there’s a line of 10 people behind me at the cash register. So I need to rush to put everything in as the cashier will just put more and more stuff on the conveyor to the point where other peoples groceries end up mixed with my stuff, because there’s only two lanes and the person right behind me only had 5 things, so the cashier is already handling customer 3 while I’m still packing.
With self checkout, I can decide the speed I want to pack at, make sure I don’t put fragile stuff at the bottom, can take it nice and relaxed. there’s 6 other terminals, so it doesn’t feel like I’m the one blocking the line. Just an overall less stressful experience.
Replying to @Frigidlollipop@lemmy.world
I’m surprised too, I live by self checkout. I use reusable bags, some of which are insulated ones, and pack things irregularly compared to the store. I’m careful so I’ve never had a problem with things breaking. I don’t like telling people what to do, especially strangers. Cashiers have repeatedly misunderstood what bags are which, use extra paper or plastic to pack my stuff, and sometimes have questions on what should be in the bag or what can be packed where. I avoid all of that just silently packing myself. I don’t blame the cashiers, I just do thinks in my preferred way and won’t be the asshole who “directs” them or something. I will switch stores before ditching self checkout edit: Should note my grocery runs are probably much smaller than average, which helps. I’m not using self checkout for a family of 4 or something
Replying to @Frigidlollipop@lemmy.world
It is not the self checkout that bothers me but the occasional check after you are done scanning.
Replying to @IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
What? This is crazy.
Is this american?
Edit: reading the thread seems the uk is the only place that likes these. Huh
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I had someone at target try to direct me to the self checkout… I politely declined with “I don’t work here”
If I’m doing the work, I should damn well get the employee discount.
Replying to @ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net
Right? If they’re not paying someone to scan and bag my stuff, I should be getting that savings.
Replying to @ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net
I literally don’t see the point of the employee. Just scan your stuff, pay, leave. You only have to scan what you choose to buy and take, not other people’s stuff.
Replying to @SuspiciousCatThing@pawb.social
Those are great entry-level jobs I’d rather not be eliminated… People > Computers in all ways.
Replying to @ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net
My question is: Why have the employee there?
Why is them scanning my few items and pushing a button better than me doing it? We’re doing the exact same thing and it takes very little work from me. It seems to me like them being there is just adding work for the sake of a job. Pointless. It’s quicker and easier without them in my experience.
Why not add an additional person to the check-outs to hand me my bags so I don’t have to pick them up from the counter? We can keep adding work for the sake of jobs.
Replying to @SuspiciousCatThing@pawb.social
As seen from what the company claims in the article, the employee is there, and it is better that they are, because people are both accidentally and intentionally bad at scanning everything and they’re losing their ass.
Because of just that alone, the idea seems to be dying without the previous poster’s philosophical argument, which is not invalid, even coming into play.
Replying to @badgermurphy@lemmy.world
I’d rather have one employee per register, not one employee managing 8 registers… Because when something goes wrong, you’re standing around with your thumb-up your ass waiting until someone comes to check your ID or fix whatever went wrong…
Besides, I like employing people, especially people who need the employment and don’t have access to careers that require an education. Everyone needs the ability to work, and part of that is making sure there are jobs…
Replying to @ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net
Right, but that’s what you, a customer, want. These guys are scaling back the self checkouts because there is excessive shrink happening due to customers being totally untrained and some of them shoplifting much more easily because they’re barely supervised. They’re claiming to be doing it of their own accord because it is hurting profits by way of shrink, though many consumers happen to get what they prefer by coincidence in this case.
Replying to @badgermurphy@lemmy.world
I’m beyond giving a fuck what’s best for corporations.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Hell yeah brother!
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I hope they keep them at least in parallel. I’m so much faster usually when doing self-checkout, because I often only buy a few items and can just skip the line.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Fuck the fucking idiots who ruined this
Replying to @datavoid@sh.itjust.works
Our species, at all times, consists of some probably relatively consistent percentage of what you’d probably call idiots.
I would say that if some social experiment like this is tried, and it fails because too great a percentage of people are “idiots”, it’s really the thing they’re trying that isn’t suitable for us. It seems a little upside down to blame the people something is made for being the ones poorly suited to it.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
They better have some pretty specific definitions of “theft” vs “errors”. I think everyone has had the experience of missing something, wondering if you should go back and scan it or if that would get security called on you, etc.
Then you hear the stories like Walmart keeping a running tab and if you go over “$x” it’s grand theft and that’s when they arrest you.
It is the stores job and responsibility to make sure their stuff is all scanned, and rung up correctly. Not the consumer’s. You can’t just offload the labor costs and also shift the risk on the customer.
That’s why I hate self checkout, at least.
Replying to @VoidJuice@thelemmy.club
That’s actually a great point and something I wish I had in mind when I forgot to scan 4 items and the manager pointed out to me that’s it’s my responsibility to make sure everything is scanned.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
So is this a US specific thing or not? The article doesn’t really make that clear.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
I do enjoy self checkout, but yesterday one demanded that I put my bag of rice back in my cart before I could continue. Something about heavy or fragile items. The problem was that I didn’t have a cart, but I did have several more items.
Replying to @BillionaireStew@lemmy.world
Is it possible there are less businesses doing it because many companies have already done it? I know a lot of people aren’t in favour of self-checkouts, but decisions go to where the money and convenience are. We don’t go to tellers or the few gas stations that serve because of convenience. We troubleshot our computers and do our own renovations because hiring workers would be too expensive. If you don’t like self-checkouts, don’t use them. It’s as easy as that.