Oh and don’t worry, if ICE vehicles go away, the politicians will find some way to levy an 8/9ths tax on something else to make up for not having those fuel sales.

Toll roads for everyone?

We need to figure out how to pay for road upkeep somehow.

That’s not to say the way gas taxes are allocated to road maintenance now is perfect. Far from it. But on paper (at least where I’m from) that’s how roads are maintained.

Depending on the jurisdiction… Gas taxes go towards externalities largely. Roads are funded through general revenue. Perversely, those who don’t drive subsidize drivers.

If I could wave a wand that I dont have:

Gas tax to cover externalities

Tire tax to cover externalities

Toll fees to cover usage.

Reduce income tax and increase social assistance proportionally.

Obviously that would be impossible to sell, but it would be more fair, and incentive better outcomes.

Sales tax makes sense to cover roads because a lot of the wear and tear on the roads is caused by the trucks that deliver goods. Even if you bike to the store, you are using the roads in that way.

Cars sitting in the garage have less impact than cars on the road though.

With tolls you can be more targeted. A road in a city has more cost (land and maintenance) and greater externalities (negatively impacts more people)

Yeah, fuel taxes are supposed to pay for that. Given the state of the roads at least here in California, it sure doesn’t look like it happens.

I’m also in California and would agree. The word “supposed” is doing a lot of work there.

On the other hand, with so many EVs in California we have to at least consider a part of that is because of the loss of gas tax income.

A vehicle tax applied to everything, based on weight, once we have switched to a majority of EVs.

Heck I would happily pay for my bikes, apply it evenly between everything, and I will pay £1 per kilo a year. Less than £40 for my bikes, but not sure many car drivers are going to be happy paying £1500 - £3000+.

Sill, a good way to get the infrastructure fixed, and maybe more people onto public transport or bikes

Where im at registration is a factor of 2/4x to make up for the fuel tax. Fun times.

I mean yeah?

Roads are not free. Fuel was a reasonable proxy for usage previously. Without that it just leaves non drivers to subsidise driving.

Im not disagreeing, it just kinda sucks that im in a VERY low paying with VERY high taxes for our area. In theory that means we should be getting better services. But its quite the opposite.

True. However as has prices rise the ‘savings’ should increase further such that the tax feels smaller compared to the fuel ‘savings’.

The other thing to consider is that high weight vehicles, think tractor trailers, but also EVs to an extent, do significantly more damage to the roads they operate on. I wonder if the proliferation of EVs will increase road wear.

If you think fuel tax is the majority cost of owning a car, you are going to be disappointed. And why shouldn’t car owners pay to maintain the roads? And how do you think that happens? If it isn’t taxes it will likely be tolls.

Toll roads for everyone?

id hope so, currently much of it comes from general revenue and second order costs arent factored in, so for example heath care costs subsidise road use.

Toll roads for everyone?

id hope

Monkey Paw

Granted but its because you now live in ancapistan

Cost of motor oil almost doubled. If you can even find it.

If it.were truly 1/9 we wouldn’t be having this conversation because all vehicles would be EVs.

“Battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) accounted for 97.8% of all new passenger car registrations in Norway through the first eight months of 2026, according to the Norwegian Road Federation (OFV).” source

“New energy vehicles (NEVs)—including pure electric and plug-in hybrid cars—accounted for a record 65.2% of new car sales in mainland China” source

Yeah some markets are definitely adopting faster than others. Different tax regimes, incentives etc…

It will be interesting when Norways fleet share tips over to majority EV.