maybe i should build something like omarchy that isn't, you know, omarchy
Replying to @ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
a lot of people do not understand what omarchy actually *is* and why it is making progress where traditional distributions have failed.
they focus on the fact that omarchy *is* a vanity distro, that it is basically a collection of configuration files and some shell scripts gluing them together.
and omarchy is that.
but omarchy is also marketing and devrel, and a consolidation of the linux experience into a product format.
in fact, that is most of what omarchy actually *is*.
building a technical community that understands & executes on these things would be the goal of what i propose building
Replying to @ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
in essence omarchy is a mechanism to take linux and turn it into a product, in the same way that macOS takes darwin and turns it into a product.
traditional linux distributions, by comparison, aren't defined products, they are work output from technical communities, and the design of them is approached from that philosophy.
Replying to @ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
@ariadne isn't a @danirabbit 's Elementary OS also some for of product based on a linux distro ?
(Also, when you take something like Fedora Workstation / KDE I feel you get something that is an opinionated product).
Replying to @Sobex@sciences.re
@Sobex @danirabbit yes, elementaryOS is an example of a productized linux
and it is a good example
but i would not say that it reflects the lesson omarchy is teaching us
Replying to @ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
@ariadne @Sobex I’d say we’re kind of doing the opposite of Omarchy in that we do a lot of things that are not traditionally Linux-y and the prospect we’re selling isn’t, “be a leet haxor and rice your desktop”, but rather “Spend less time thinking about computer and more time doing interesting things”. The OS in elementary OS is not the product. The idea of not worrying about the OS is the product
Replying to @danirabbit@mastodon.online
@danirabbit @Sobex yes, precisely. i think the aesthetic is an important element in the product design for *that* audience.
Replying to @ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
@ariadne @Sobex totally. That like vapor wave, bit fonts, etc aesthetic is very “Nintendo power glove” and I feel like the messaging hits on the white male youth anger at a world that isn’t as compliant with their supposed supremacy. Don’t be sad little white boy, you can “be somebody” from the comfort of your basement. Play with digital slaves. Embrace oligarchy. You’re the master in our vision of the world
Replying to @danirabbit@mastodon.online
@danirabbit @ariadne @Sobex well said but it's tragic that some people are this way
Replying to @danirabbit@mastodon.online
"Welcome home, warrior, everyone is proud of you."
ref. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py9B1ePmpVs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=py9B1ePmpVsReplying to @fxchip@hachyderm.io
(clarification of intent: in this context, Omarchy is *un*-ironically doing what the song is satirizing (at least the way I interpreted it))
Replying to @danirabbit@mastodon.online
@danirabbit @Sobex yeah, basically, to me the challenge is to figure out how to make people feel empowered without the fascism
Replying to @ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
@ariadne for me the solution there is focusing on inclusive design. It completely solved my whole perspective on when and how to implement settings and what features matter to put it in a framework of how we can make the experience more inclusive
Replying to @danirabbit@mastodon.online
@danirabbit @ariadne @Sobex I thought all of those fuckers, leet people, used Kali, against all instructions, as a main OS
Replying to @danirabbit@mastodon.online
@danirabbit I think you're right to not focus on what those people want. The more important goal by far is usable personal computers for people who don't want to focus on their computer as an end in itself.
Replying to @danirabbit@mastodon.online
@danirabbit @ariadne @Sobex I expect you're selling something more like my mom's 2011 iMac that wasn't running so well anymore, and she had newer computers, so asked me to fix it up before giving it away to one or another of the immigrant families our temple helps. I thought elementaryOS was the right choice for that, so on it went.
I don't think those new arrivals will have strong opinions about operating systems, but they'll need a smooth first-run experience, and elementaryOS sure has sanded that down for them.
Replying to @danirabbit@mastodon.online
@danirabbit @ariadne @Sobex dunno, maybe i've been at this for too long, but to me, most distros fulfill that job, except for rolling release things....
when i set linux up for friends, there is this one week or three where they run into hardware corner cases like sleep modes or the like, and then it just works....
Replying to @nettings@mastodon.social
@nettings possible! I find that the more experience someone has with desktop Linux the more they hate elementary OS, which I see as a success indicator personally haha
Replying to @danirabbit@mastodon.online
@danirabbit plz, can i haz l33t toggle updatez
( in all seriousness, not for elementary but in general, i would absolutely love some vim-style binded pretty css libadwaita gui that i can fly through)
Replying to @danirabbit@mastodon.online
@danirabbit fwiw, I feel like there are plenty us with lots of Linux desktop experience (since the mid-late 90s for me) who love elementary because of its simplicity and how well it works.
Replying to @danirabbit@mastodon.online
@danirabbit @ariadne Hmm, silly question, what's Elementary's AI policy ?
(I'm wondering if there's a world where I can put it in my list as a noob friendly linux that isn't doing AI shit).