The best extension :)

Welcome, ye hordes!

+ a mediocre browser

No, you’re a mediocre browser

And his mom is too

Can confirm; Dan’s mom = very mediocre. Not worth the journey to her house 3/10.

Gotem!

His dad is a great Bowser though

What is mediocre about it? What would be an example of a good browser, and what are the differences?

Nothing is mediocre about it. All of the “best” browsers are based on FF’s Gecko engine. Maybe they have complaints about Mozilla or the weird stuff they’ve been doing with FF recently. But the actual Gecko engine is solid, and it’s what all the best browsers are based on.

Don’t feed the troll, down vote and move on

im an old web dev and im stuck in my shitty ways which includes not liking how ff is the only effing browser that takes extra effort to make the front-end look and function correctly. tbh, i do use ff on android 99% of the time, but ff on desktop breaks too many sites if you have any inkling of ff’s security turned on.

im not wrong, you all are just fanboys

Why?

It’s bait. The only “better” browsers are downstreams of FF.

complaints not parsed into action items aren’t worth anyone’s time.

Yeah, but it does run uBlock Origin, renders web pages just fine, can do WebRTC, and even has support for bookmarks and pinned tabs. What else do you want from a web browser?

Chrome’s advantages were in the security and performance departments. But Firefox isn’t that much worse.

No, you’re a towel

If they ever stop supporting it I will continue to use the last version to support it, any website that breaks compatibility with this Firefox version can get fucked.

That’s a significant security risk, unfortunately.

If that happens, I’d suggest a fork with a built in blocker, one that still gets security patches from upstream Firefox.

Exactly. Ublock origin is notable only for being part of 0 ad companies and 100% trustworthy. The blocking lists are universal. If it’s built into the browser, you’re golden

Well…

With a fork, one is very dependent on the browser dev. Not just on their benevolence, but on their security practices too. And on them pulling in upstream security patches, quickly.

TBH, this is why I do finance stuff on vanilla Firefox. I love browser forks, I really do, but I’m a bit more cautious with them, too.

“Dev” as if it’s just a singular person

Most of the forks are teams of 10-20 devs

The most used forks are usually larger teams tbf, not a single dev

True, sometimes. But they don’t have the sheer manpower dedicated to security that Mozilla has, nor the institutional policies that try to mitigate losing a key/account or something like that. Also, technically, vanilla Firefox is first to get the zero-day patches before they filter downstream.

Not that the forks are dangerous or anything, generally.

i mean… blocking lists are universal, but the other features ublock offers are not - i’m making heavy use of ublock’s dynamic filtering panel and per-site switches. one important thing i use ublock for is to whitelist which sites get javascript permissions and to get rid of remote fonts to make pages more readable. those features need manifest v2.

if firefox drops manifest v2 and you’re relying purely on those inbuilt blocking lists then you might as well use the manifest v3 version of ublock without seeing a difference, right?

you might as well use the manifest v3 version of ublock without seeing a difference, right?

Can confirm, I was thinking about switching off of Chrome due to this but since I don’t use the custom stuff (much) I’m not noticing a difference with the v3 compatible “light” version of uBlock Origin.

as a websev, you’re gonna have a bad time

I’ll just spend my reading time reading more books than I do now. Forcing me to look at ads will not work.

wait for 4g books that serve you unskippable ads

I’d probably go retro, use something like Dillo and stick to more classic webpages. Or go full Gopher/Gemini.

Librewolf would probably still support it

Google is locking down Android too!

!linuxphones@lemmy.ca

Is there a good small cheap repairable phone out there? I have a fairphone4 and I LOVE /E/ OS. But I would also like to actually USE a linux phone. And I cant experiment as much as I would want on my main phone.

Ive almost thought about carrying a tiny burner phone then a small laptop for everything else.

Last I was aware, Linux phones work really well on Google Pixel 3as. They’re no longer supported by stock Android nor still manufactured so I assume the second hand ones will be cheap.

I appreciate the response.

I have owned two google phones. Both had hardware issues/battery issues and one almost exploded. One day it got super hot and the battery turned into a spicy pillow. Sorry but im not going to get another google phone as long as I live. Neither lasted more than 2 years.

get the new Jolla Linux phone.

That’s fair. Which models did you have? I had a couple problems with the earlier Google Pixels, but I’ve found the later ones have really ironed out their hardware problems.

I think your main problem is going to be finding phones for cheap that also work well as Linux phones. I think the lowest-effort options like Pine phones are gonna cost you more. But I wish you luck.

I had a 4 I think? That one lasted about a year and a half before the battery wouldn’t last more than half a day. Then it bricked one day. Not sure what happened.

The 6a was the worst. It was cheap and good at first. But then kept getting hotter and hotter…almost burnt me.

I had a p7 and it only lasted 3 yrs. Motherboard went. 750 euros that had cost brand new. First phone I have bought that didn’t last > 5 yrs

The Commedore phone, if you want something minimalistic that does have Android compatibility.

I’m looking at preordering it. Shipping now would be Dec-Jan.

I have a fairphone4 and I LOVE /E/ OS. But I would also like to actually USE a linux phone

What do you mean? You can’t use your FP4?

I’m considering getting a FP6 relatively soon, and would be using it as my only one…

I use android via /e/os. But I cannot experiment with my only phone. There is 2fa and other such services that I have to have access to. Worst case, I cant get into accounts and such.

FF is a great phone btw.

There is 2fa and other such services that I have to have access to. Worst case, I cant get into accounts and such.

That’s my main concern too.

Here in Denmark, the MitID authentification app is completely integral to functioning online, and last I checked it doesn’t work on GrapheneOS, so /e/os is probably not likely either 🫤

I think you should be able to emulate /e/ OS to try out some stuff? Maybe someone else can chime in. Dont know if that helps or not.

My 2fa works in /e/ but im going to assume other OSes probably wont.

You can’t use something like bitwarden for mitid?

Nope, you’ll need mitid specifically. It’s run by the government and mandated 😮‍💨

I got myself a physical code chip because MitID doesn’t work with /e/. The code chip works great.

The app is probably convenient, but I am also very happy not to depend on my phone to sign in to everything.

Every Linux phone uses an android shim just because it isn’t possible to change the firmware iirc

I love my FP6

You named it the Fairphone is the best Linux phone.

You have a point.

…it is a really nice phone.

I just cant afford two. First world problem haha.

As far as I know the Google Developer Verification BS won’t reach Custom ROMs right? But yea in the long run it probably makes sense to make the jump one day or another.

Still works just fine on Vivaldi. Only problem is every few updates they break it and it needs to be reinstalled. I’ve lost a bit of faith in Vivaldi for doing this. It’s one thing if they can’t code around the chromium core to allow it, but since it still works and the updates are just disabling it I think that’s pretty dirty.

Not for long. The patch that removes support is coming to Vivaldi soon.

The updates aren’t just disabling it anymore, they’re stripping the path out entirely, so it would be difficult to maintain support.

Being unable to use manifest v2 extensions anymore on most chromium based stuff has resulted in me writing off almost all browsers that are base on chromium. Kudos to Firefox for continuing to support it! Let’s hope that does not change at all anytime soon.

fortunately uBlock still works on Helium

Brave, Ungoogled Chromium, and Helium all still support uBlock Origin.

It’s Brave if you to mention the browser Brave here.

Silly, but brave 🤷🏻

It’s not here, dude. It’s inside your mind.

This is not true.

The flag that UnGoogled Chromium used to support it is going away, and AFAIK there is no fix. Helium inherited the same patch from UnGoogled Chromium.

They will both lose support. See their relevant GitHub issues.

Brave uses a custom, integrated adblocking engine; it technically doesn’t need UBO.

The problem with Brave is the homophobic CEO which, at least for me, is a big no

Jfc, first they had like some coin miner, then dubious analytics or settings or something, now the head dude is a bigot? It’s like an as-seen-on-TV ad: “but wait, there’s more!”

“but wait, there’s more!”

Unironically, yes

At issue was Eich’s $1,000 donation in 2008 to the campaign to pass California’s Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment that outlawed same-sex marriages.

apnews.com/general-news-d329c440023842998be70d80b…

I said these browsers currently allow installing MV2 extensions; I didn’t predict about the future. Ok, ungoogled chromium will remove the flag in the future, and it can also affect helium. But it’s in the future; currently that flag is still there.

Brave is sued for its shady practices, ok! But we are talking about the installation of Manifest V2 extensions in the Chromium-based browsers, which the title explicitly says Firefox is the only browser that now allows you to install ublock origin, which is misleading. Brave still supports ublock origin, no matter if someone hates the browser or someone found it self-hosted.

So what do you guys find bad about me mentioning Brave? Also please mention a word: I’m saying these browsers are going to support MV2 extensions (ublock origin) forever.

…Okay. Technically, that’s true, going by strict semantics.

But the Helium and Ungoogled Chromium are going to lose MV2, soon. I feel like “still supports uBlock Origin” doesn’t sufficiently convey that to Lemmy commenters trying to read the situation. That’s all I meant, though I was perhaps imprecise with my words.

In other words, practically, if a users want to use UBO, they should know these browsers will not support that in the near future even if, strictly speaking, they support it right this second.

I believe this means Brave will lose support too, unless they intend to extensively modify Chromium to maintain compatibility themselves (which would be odd, as Brave doesn’t really need UBO since it has its own adblocking engine?)

Its still working in Vivaldi alo. Had to re-enable it tho, it’s “unsupported” but working.

It won’t for long. Upstream chromium removed it and the browsers based on the code are not going to work to continue patching it in.

First, screw Chrome.

BUT. These headlines are clickbait.

UBO has been disabled in Chrome for a long, long time. This is nothing new. Its old news.

Ublock Lite replaced it, and it’s not going away. It’s inferior and problematic and harder on devs, yes, but unfortunately Chrome users didn’t seem notice.

What’s being disabled is a crazy-difficult-to-enable flag that basically zero Chrome users actually used, and that only (a few) downstream Chromium forks use.

Sorry, I didn’t use Chrome, which flag?

Inherently built into a few different browsers. I think Helium is one of them?

Other browsers have native ad-block and you don’t need add-ons.

Which ones? I only know Brave but i’d like to avoid it

Funnily enough, Firefox basically has it, with its Tracking Protection. The vast majority of ads use tracking, so get blocked by it.

Ad blocking is too important to depend on a browser vendor for it.
uBlock Origin kept updating basically just-in-time in the great YouTube ad war. No browser vendor can or even just tries to match that level of dedication and quality. Ad blocking needs to be pluggable - also because of SponsorBlock which is essential for YouTube.

Less incentive to fight it for website developers.

And that is why I still support Firefox!

Help us, Ladybird devs. You’re our only hope.

When is it comming?

They’re hoping to have an alpha release this year on limited platforms.

I’ve been following the dev progress. As it turns out, making a browser is not easy.

Watched the recent update on it. Definitely not easy.

You would think Apple would take the massive opportunity and bake in proper privacy and ad blocking to safari. Wouldn’t hurt their bottom line.

WebKit doesn’t run on Windows so this doesn’t matter to them.

You’re missing the point, WebKit not running on windows is exactly why this could be a good move for them. if they can do something better than what’s possible on windows they have a market advantage.

They’d rather people move to their platform and be locked in their ecosystem.

And this would be a way to make people want to do that.

I haven’t used MacOS or iOS for years so I’m out of the loop, but I thought Safari on both had pretty good extension support? I know Adguard is still great on both, a friend uses it (and I use it on my Linux and Android devices).

I prefer uBlock Origin Lite on Safari. I switched a while back because adblock wasn’t catching ads in YouTube.

It’s not in a bad state at all, I would just like to see adblockers baked straight into safari and on by default.

A few years ago they made some changes to how extensions work (iirc it was supposedly aimed at improving privacy by restricting what extensions can access).

These days I use a paid iOS/macOS specific ad block app. It was like $3 one time purchase and it works great.

They have pretty good privacy and anti-fingerprinting stuff in Safari, but not ad blocking— although they do have an odd tool for “hiding distracting items“ that can work as an ad hoc ad blocker of sorts. On the other hand, ublock origin light works wonderfully for me. Both on macOS Safari and iOS Safari.

I agree it works good for me as well as is, but it sure would be nice to see one baked in and on by default. It’s legitimately a safety thing, I would never turn an old person loose on the web just raw dog lol guaranteed a disaster. Every computer I’ve ever setup for a friend or family member the first thing I do is get Firefox dl on windows and install ublock if it’s a pc, or get get a blocker going on safari if it’s Mac.

Oh, I agree. It really would be nice if ublock origin light was installed by default.

Safari has a few excellent ad blockers but unfortunately they aren’t free. But anyway, 1Blocker and Wipr are both good. I use 1Blocker personally and it’s every bit as good as uBlock.

Instead of uBlock Origin rather use AdNauseam. It’s basically uBlock Origin, but it “clicks” on the blocked ads so the ad networks still have to pay website owners.

this is hilarious and I will be trying it when I’m home

With all the malware, etc., clicking on any ad is ill advised.

Ehh, its throwing the response away so there would have to be an exploit that just by receiving a response you are hacked. That would be absurdly bad, with or without AdNauseum

Those exact type of issues have existed in the past it’s why the FBI uses ad blocking and recommends that it’s used for security. There have been several browser vulnerabilities over the years that required absolutely no interaction from the user whatsoever it simply had to load the data.

The whole reason that manifest V3 was such a big deal for unlock origin is that it prevents it from intercepting and stopping the initial connection to The domain in the first place it can only remove it after it’s been received and even that was limited. On Firefox everything is still normal it’s able to completely stop the browser from ever reaching out in the first place

Getting “hacked” via clicking a link and discarding the response is so extremely rare. It would require stringing together some of the most prized zero day vulnerabilities. There is just no world where someone would run that kind of attack on a google ad in the current year.

Like a true google hate inspired hipster I have been using Firefox for at least the past 9 years. Don’t let one of the shittiest companies control even more of the world because you are too fucking lazy to switch to a different browser. If you have to deal with a few shitty websites made by morons that only work in chrome keep a secondary chromium install on standby when you have to hold your nose and use it.

Honestly I can only think of one. Weirdly a “developer platform”

Well I guess a couple more because keyboard firmware sites do that usb browser thing that terrifies me is a thing and only chrome supports.

Nativia is a cross platform electron app that runs on your machine without network access and allows you to configure most of these keyboards. It’s also open source.

Firefox recently grew that terrifying WebSerial USB thing!

I have been a web dev for over 25… oh god… approaching 30 years, and most web dev teams with an ounce of self respect will spend the honestly trivial time to test against different browsers. I consider it a basic part of the god damn job. Even still banks and government sites seem to not give a fuck.

For a while I think it was Papa Johns, or Dominos, some pizza chain site didn’t work on Firefox. Worse than that though when I was in highschool I remember some school district stuff didn’t work on Firefox

In my experience even one of the platforms with moronic developers eventually fixed their Firefox support. I dunno if the surge in Linux users had anything to do with it or not, or if it was because I would browser there, make my payments fail then switch to the Falkon browser every single time.

Some good news about firefox. Phew!

That’s the only reason, I use it. And I knew Firefox would be the only one remaining when I switched to it the very moment, Chromium stopped supporting uBlock Origin.

I can’t imagine using the web without firefox and ublock. Even the cookie consent popups are awful.

Seriously. I clear my cookies on Firefox exit because I don’t want their shit on my computer if it isn’t needed.

This would cause me to see them every single damn time.

Yeah, the user experience of “just wipe cookies on browser exit” is a lot better than “have a million prompts all over zillions of sites”.

However, regarding “every single damn time”…some sites can have their “do you want cookies” popup just blocked by the Firefox I still don’t care about cookies addon. It’s not a solution for every site out there, but it’ll get a lot of them.

It’s also possible to use another extension, Behind the Overlay on some sites. This does require a click, so manual action, but it tries to identify “pop-over” content that covers up the browser window and remove it with that click. It’s really intended as a more-general solution to “pop-over” stuff, but cookie pop-ups often take this form and can be dismissed.

You can also just enable one of the “Cookie notices” lists in your ublock settings, no need for another extension.

Especially considering how many extensions have been found to be malware lately

have a million prompts all over zillions of sites”.

I’m using Ghostery to automatically reject all of those. They pop-in and almost immediately disappear.

Ublock Lite still works in Chrome (and it still blocks YouTube ads, not sure about cookie popups), but you get no control over the filters. Just a slider with some presets to choose from. So while better than nothing, just stick with Firefox.

Pretty sure full ublock origin still works in helium no?

Pretty sure I’ve read months ago that the maintainers said they’ll try to support it as long as possible but at the moment v2 support is removed from the source code, they’ll won’t have the resources to add it back again.

Now that MV2 is dead in chrome, i wouldn’t bet on YouTube ads being able to be blocked by UBlock Lite for much longer.

LibreWolf, WaterFox and Vivaldi

…may you elaborate?

LibreWolf has it pre-installed and is Open-source. It worked on waterfox an Open-source fork of Firefox, last time I tried.

As for Vivaldi I guess use Brave instead.

Brave is the money generator of a far right hate group. Fuck Brendan Eich, fuck their ad replacement scam, fuck everything Brave.

Really??? I had no clue!!!

I just got back into being into the open source life after going back to Ubuntu after almost 20 years later. I stopped using Ubuntu in 2009 when Pigeon was an aio instant messenger client.

vivaldi recently disabled uBO and said it’d soon be unsupported. you can re-enable for now

I didn’t know that, well glad I went to LibreWolf.

I was using vivaldi and they were kind enough(seriously) to inform me that they don’t support ublock anymore maybe a week ago.

Not sure about the reason but I think that it’s a technical thing the Google changed to deliberately make it easy to end ublock on a lot of browsers. Might not be the only reason(actual tech upgrades) but I believe it’s part of the reason since major conspiracies seem much more likely these days.

Anyway, I switched back to Librewolf even though it can’t play x.265 files (jellyfin). Anything that kills the use of ublock is dead to me even though they have their own shitty, bullshit blocking solution. It’s never going to be as good as ublock edit grammar and shit

It’s not a conspiracy. It’s been a very well published and discussed process.

There are exceptions but browsers are either reconfigurations of firefox, like librewolf, or reconfigurations of google chrome, like vivaldi.

Some dweeb will be along in a moment to tell us all how vivaldi is not merely a reconfiguration, but the point is …

google changed the manner in which plugins can interact with the web page you see. In recent months you could re-enable the old plugin interface by recompiling with a different configuration, but once google makes a change that breaks that old interface then you can’t just re-enable it.

Anyway, I switched back to Librewolf even though it can’t play x.265 files (jellyfin).

you should check that again, Firefox gained support for it last year.

developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/…/Video_codecs#h…

check the browser compatibility column in the table. it seems maybe Firefox is the only one supporting it even for those without hardware acceleration?

And Brave, don’t forget brave

No, you should forget brave it’s yet another piece of shit chrome knock off. Just like the rest. It ain’t immune. It can kick and scream but either the entire project dies or they bend the knee eventually.

As long as chromium is open source I see no problem down the line… and if Google one day stops the funding of open source projects, well, the Firefox is also toast

Zen, though I think that’s basically Firefox under the hood.

Future is dark:

1. Android getting locked down

2. They are asking your government ID to use OS, access internet etc.

There must be real protest, revolution, something otherwise it will just get worst

pssst: it’s gonna get worse

Download a shitload of epubs, roms, backup of wikipedia, and get ready for full-on, unmissable, 1984-style marketing and propaganda culture. You’ll see it, you’ll have to see it, and there will be no option B.

I’ve got 100tb getting filled. I’m ready. Ok in reality its closer to 60 tb after raid and I’m duplicating the important stuff across 2 devices. But that’s only about 5 tb. But I’m including lots of PDFs epubs and zims as important stuff. The rest is just media.

What if instead we… stop that from happening?

You’re suggesting we send our own people into meatspace?

I am not sure what your comments mean. I am in tremendous back pain. And didn’t sleep For so long, and the fucking humidity.

I want to add more. And vent.

I am old enough and I saw similar actions, and the out come of it.

Slwoly we are forced to use ESIMS, where I live, I have to pay every time I switch phones.

And if I am outside of the country, I can’t even switch phones.

I love the idea of esims, but not how it is implemented.

Digiral data produced by me is so.expensive to keep.

It is the digital age, but not a digital .storage age, it is cheaper to print shit.

Optical storage can store terabytes of data, easy to maintain, you can design a device where the hdd store meta data and anyone from your family cam access the data stored on archival optical drives.

It is not built because they want us to use the cloud. Maybe it is greed, control, surveillance.

I just want a simple cartridge that can store my data for decads and technologically that is easily done. There are already archival optical storage sold to data centers, but why not to small businesses or consumers!?!?

It is basically several bluray discs in a cartridge.

The future is dark because of human nature.

And we will do nothing about because look at state of printers. The ink cost more than gold per gram

Look at air purifiers all proprietary filters that are over priced

And yes I know about CR boxes but those furnace filters are only sold in USA.

We are not good creatures

Sorry, I am coherent enough to know I am not coherent, I needed to vent.

Not enough, computers are a limited resource. They should be optional in my opinion, but money machines don’t care, so… Here’s a text wall I just copied from one of my other replies. It’s assuming and talking about a scenario closer societal collapse than 1984, but could be useful either way.

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I’ve thought a lot about this before. Updoot because it’s a good question. Basically, if an anarchist society still has access to all of the books and such for long enough, someone somewhere eventually will figure it out. Blowing them glass bulbs is surprisingly uncomplicated once you have metallurgy (tutorial), you don’t even have to use mercury for the vacuum if you happen to have a regular factory built compressor nearby (will one from a fridge work? nobody knows, nobody tried), which you can then rebuild later. Build some circuits using wood + nail and metal wires as the PCBs, do random things to see how it reacts and learn from it. Now, electricity itself and metallurgy are fun but out of scope for this explanation. While that is happening, people can reuse existing TV boxes, routers and such. Someone could do a tiny C program or something to distribute data over the existing computers or something, then advertise it over (real life) bullet-in boards. Ironically, I suggest more distributed solutions (whenever possible/feasible of course) over something like this site, or usenet (R.I.P., now just full of piracy). Non-technical people can get their friends to help with using that. People who where previously sysadmins for ISPs and stuff should then probably allow just port scanning IPv4 to discover other people, and/or the v6 multicast (well, hopefully they can figure that out if they haven’t been “docker-washed” or whatever). Now, once someone figured something out, they share it with the comrades and “advertise” it using that solution. Or again, just the real life bullet-in boards. If there are enough good minds, they can then proceed to basically skip “regular” transistors and diodes (and maybe even real PCBs, although some already do that at home) and go straight for the micro fab. Now, it requires many fields of science. Like first, you need to take a few buckets of sand, containing rocks and shells and shit (literally), then purify it. Like, really really really fucking pure. This is where my personal level of expertise ends but I am sure that eventually some talented people in their own respective fields can meet up and think of something over an afternoon. From what I know (probably wrong), this basically involves melting it in a vacuum, unmelting, melting, unmelting and so on, then from the piece that formed you have to cut off the edges where all of the impure stuff ended up. Now, you need to make patterns on it. This guy figured it out but gave in and started a company. Basically, instead of the template you shine light through, you could substitute an office projector for something really shitty scale and really shitty reliability, but functional. The rest is mostly chemistry… idk I don’t speak chemistry. Now, you can go get someone who speaks transistor logic to implement some really shitty instruction set in hardware. I am sure it wouldn’t be too complicated to address map a teletype for some I/O. First few programs can be in ROM right inside the CPU (with redundant bytes of course given how shitty the manufacturing is) for testing, until RAM is figured out. > Oh look, my new chip draws boobs on paper! Then you, again, go share your findings with the society and find someone who still has a RISC-V design or something downloaded. Now, that might get good enough to run a multi user operating system (this will make sense soon). As much as we hate the C stdlib and all of it’s tech debt, I am not sure if anyone will be up for redoing all of that (yet). I have been shilling OpenBSD a lot lately, but for something like this I would imagine NetBSD would be more fitting. Plan 9’s stdlib is MUCH better (and there’s a functional WIP RISC-V port), but to properly use that you will need pointing and CRT tech so it’s kind of a circular loop there, and it’s also not as accessible due to being mostly GUI and due to having lots of single letter commands/shortcuts to remember across the included programs. Although whatever you can get your dirty hands on (I am being slightly pessimistic (or realistic, even) and assuming not having access to the internet at this stage, the one and only as we know for being controlled by the big IANA). Fork the OS you got. Most tools have been generally designed around some level of hierarchy, although for source control, git and compatibles (got…) remain best (thanks, Torvalds 2005). The reason is sharing patches over plain text, and more importantly applying them, becomes trivial (if you add a signature/checksum, even more so, as you now know it wasn’t corrupted or line converted or anything). Allow anonymous editing like for TCC to minimize said hierarchy (maybe invent a better solution later, like something distributed with proof of work for voting if a patch gets in or not… too bad all of this terminology has been taken by crypto bros). (EDIT: proof of work kind of sucks since capitalist rich kid can get 70 computers) Speaking of TCC, that’s a nice ass compiler, should probably use that to avoid hogging the tiny brain you’ve just built for others. “What others”, well… Here’s the part where a multi-user OS starts making sense. As soon as networking starts to network, put it right onto the usual networks with existing repurposed computers from before. Let it be like a pubnix, or “shell provider” if you like calling it that. Let people fuck around, find out (“help I deleted authorized_keys”), maybe even discover backdoors and other bugs. While that is happening, go improve, go make more, go offer some units IRL to especially interested people. Obviously, share the hardware designs, so someone also especially dared could do the office projector thing, while someone else is trying to figure out how to replace the said office projector with something more DIY. And basically, there you go. Now, this is technically possible under de-facto capitalism; although I am not sure if anywhere on this planet right now exists a community of especially dared, IRL connected and unoccupied enough in time people. EDIT: figured someone might want to use this text. text DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2, December 2004 Copyright © 2004 Sam Hocevar <sam@hocevar.net> Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim or modified copies of this license document, and changing it is allowed as long as the name is changed. DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION 0. You just DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO.

There are literally only 2 mayor browsers it’s not that surprising. And isn’t firefox founded partially by google too? It’s all the same and then there is ladybird that is in development and is using AI for it or something?? Idk.

If I remember correctly, google pays Mozilla a significant percent of their Total income to have google as the default search ) home page?

Google does it so they also satisfy the anti competition rules as well, if Mozilla doesn’t get funded then they have monopoly and have to split it off.

That’s literally as far as the agreement goes.

I used to buy Ad Busters magazine at a local bookstore back in 1989. I’ve been keenly aware of, and against advertising ever since. Any site I’m forced to watch ads on because blocking no longer works, is a site I’ll stop visiting.

uBlock Origin still works in Brave. brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/#which-m…

Brave is hot trash.

I’ve been using Firefox for ages now so I don’t get it : what’s the point of using Chrome or Edge ?

Solely for when a page only works in Chromium based slop.

I’ve never seen that, which freaking websites only works in Chromium?

I’ve seen glorious corporate interfaces, only functioning in Microsoft Explorer. But only Chromium?

Some training content for work (I think it was for an in-browser code security training). And I’ve run into one or two sites where they required me to try in Chrome for a support issue, just can’t remember what it was. And newbs vibe-producing corporate tool proofs of concept as Chrome plugins because it’s simpler and doesn’t depend on any gatekeepers to deployment. (Fortunately, other gatekeepers still got a chance to say “no” and forced it to become a real web application.)

Partner.Microsoft.com. 😡

Cause People. Don’t. Care

Even if something gathers illegal amounts of data, and has removed all ad blocking extensions, they will just use the default.

At least one security researcher says Edge is the most secure option for Windows users.

…github.io/security-privacy-advice.html#browser

There was a time when Chrome was fresh that it seemed to be a fast, lightweight feeling new alternative. I didn’t switch back until I was looking for more control over content presentation options.

Once in a blue moon a website is unusable on Firefox so I fire up Vivaldi, but yeah, it is not common.

Pihole. Doesn’t solve everything, but I’m currently blocking ads from just over a half million domains.

At this point if you’re not already using a DNS filter of some sort, I have no idea how you survive. I use opnsense with zenarmor for ad blocking and it works really well. Had this going for a long time so no need to try pihole yet. I also use uBlock on my browsers for YouTube and the like. And greyjay on my phone. And I use automation on my phone (if not my WiFi, engage wireguard). I don’t know how I’d stay sane without it all.

uBlock Origin on Firefox works fine.

It does. But those devices you can’t control or just need some catchall, a global filter is convenient.

There was also a time you couldn’t use Firefox, and by extension uBlock, on iPhone.

Got a good tutorial or hardware rec for me? I’ve been meaning to pihole for a while…

As for tutorial I think Pi-hole’s own documentation suffice though if you mean starting from server installation, that’s another thing. Definitely not hard but it would be nice if you know Linux to be comfortable in terminal.

As for hardware, this netbook is basically my home server including Pi-hole: www.productindetail.com/pn/samsung-n150-plus

Is there something analogous that can be run with bind?

So, I can finally point and laugh at the people who were saying that the manifest V3 thing was a non issue because their ad blocker was still working ?

no, because their ad blocker is still working

At a lower efficiency than before, and a lot of stuff now won’t get blocked because of the limit in definitions.

Define “lower efficiency”, please.

Now I’m curious how anyone could possibly have a non obvious definition of ad blocker efficiency.

yeah, my point is that was never the concern of such people

No, because ad blocks work perfectly fine.

I’m using Ghostery on Vivaldi (Chromium-based) and it works perfectly fine, including blocking ads during YouTube videos.

No idea why uBlock specifically is being blocked, but it’s not like you can’t have an ad-blocker anymore.

Out of curiosity, why do you use Ghostery rather than uBlock Origin? It was quite controversial back in the day, but seems to be open source and stuff now. I still don’t see any advantage over uBO, though, so I wonder what would move you to use it instead.

google is slowly killing their competition by a thousand cuts.

In unrelated news, Firefox is now the dominant browser and nobody knows why.

If only that were true. To many people are addicted to google to ever give up chrome/chromium without a series of catastrophic fuckups from google.

Unfortunate how momentum like that works. I haven’t managed to degoogle myself yet but switching to firefox has created zero issues in my daily usage

Well, it’s better if it’s a slow process, just like detoxing. Good luck by the way.

Dude, the last thing I use Google for is YouTube and the ads are so much now on my tv and when listening to stories in my car that I’m seriously considering either paying for nebula or just snorting whatever I find under the sink for amusement.

uBlock origin works on YouTube and works in Firefox for Android

Yes but I can’t install that on an appleTV or mess with it while driving so there are times I still encounter the bad.

i forget what its called… pihole? You can set up a small box on your network that can filter out ads on devices that you cant install adblocking on, like on your TV and stuff.

does not work for youtube. for that, you need either a third party youtube app with builtbin blocking, or a patched official app that adds the blocking.

Pihike adblocker doesn’t work for streams, just static content.

I love nebula. Well worth it. Less content, but all but two of my preferred creators are on it (not including Dropout, which is also worth it). For those two, I use Freetube every month or so to check in, but they’re just Tiny little science channels that do simple experiments, and I can find the experiments they cite on their university webpages once I have the names of their demos.

Doesn’t help that Mozilla leadership is incompetent and doesn’t know what their core audience wants

also dependant on GOOGLe for revenue too.

Of course they will, it’s their main selling point.

That will totally lead to websites not supporting or even blocking Firefox. Together with uBlock capitulating against Facebook and all those age registration nonsense, I really am scared about the future of the web.

and reddit is aggressively try to force thier login popup at everytime, it hasnt rolled out completely. but people already reported.

Yep with the login for old.reddit I’ve officially stopped using it completely. No I will not run their Javascript.

That will totally lead to websites not supporting or even blocking Firefox.

A lot of websites that really should be testing for this don’t work on Firefox.

Absolute worst case Firefox can focus on feature parity(as it already has a lot of), and lie on the UserAgent

Kids today don’t know that’s how life started for Firefox. Except the browser it had to copy was closed source.

Other adblocks still work. I’m using Ghostery on Vivaldi (Chromium-based) and it works perfectly fine, including blocking ads during YouTube videos.

No idea why uBlock specifically is being blocked, but it’s not like you can’t have an ad-blocker anymore.

No idea why uBlock specifically is being blocked, but it’s not like you can’t have an ad-blocker anymore.

because google took away the API for network traffic filtering. all that current filtering addons can do is pass a very brief, rarely updated network filter list to the browser, and insert cosmetic tweaks to the pages you visit. they can’t look anymore at all details of any network request and decide what do to. except on Firefox, where it has not been taken away.

Meh if a site doesnt work on firefox I move on. I dont want all the shit that comes with visiting from chrome. If I cnt buy because of cookies or ads then I wont buy from them.

first it was the news sites, then the shops and venues, but I didn’t speak up because I haven’t used them anyway.

then the utiliies companies did that, but I didn’t speak up, so far as I can pay the invoices personally it’s not a big deal.

then came the government sites, but meh, I can just go in person! sure it takes away many hours but it’s not worth the hassle to complain!

and by that time nothing else was left either, because all the other sites dropped support in the meantime, while I did not have the time anymore to notice it.

I jumped to i2p for this reason. I think internet is dead, we will have to have a double identity to avoid brainrotting

When I did a site that didn’t play nice with one of my various Mozilla Gecko/Fusion browser flavors, I try a different one.

When they all are failing, not just WaterFox, I either fire up DuckDuckGo Browser or Safari if on a Mac.

If that were to fail I probably would quit using that service.

My actual Google account isn’t allowed on most of my computers anymore, since I DeGoogled, and only have it operating in very sandboxed environments like one Vivaldi browser that lives inside of a VM.

does anyone happen to know if helium browser will keep supporting mv2/ublock origin beyond the removal of mv2 from chromium?

Switched to edge after chrome notified that adblock and other manifest v2 extensions will be blocked. Edge did the same thing recently. Now switched to Firefox. Used to use Firefox way back in the day then left it due to Chrome but now Firefox feels like home. Surprisingly l, it’s faster in some cases compared to Chrome. Not a single regret after switching. Adblock stays which is extremely important esp after youtube increased ads

Welcome back!

Firefox evolves too, and there’s a lot of improvements both in the UI and under the hood. If you used Firefox before 2017, the difference should be especially prominent as they made a huge engine-level leap back then.

Yeah! Firefox after a certain time (pre 2017 as mentioned by u) felt slow and sluggish compared to chrome but now in some cases it’s better than chrome

Just use dns block

Can’t block video ads and redirects.

All the other major browser has blocked it.

Well, almost all others are basically Chrome.

That’s the joke lol

how do you know?

I tried browsing the internet without uBlock Origin. I hated it in 5 minutes. I’m not going back to there anytime again. If your browser does not support uBlock Origin, then I am not using it.

Guys, just FYI - other adblocks still work. I’m using Ghostery on Vivaldi (Chromium-based) and it works perfectly fine, including blocking ads during YouTube videos.

No idea why uBlock specifically is being blocked, but it’s not like you can’t have an ad-blocker anymore.

For one thing UBO, if you take the time to (turn on and) learn the advanced user mode, will let you customize interactions site-by-site, and remember your choices for years.EG I regulary use the zapper and eyedropper to get rid of stuff other than ads. It’s also easy to turn on/off site-by-site.

The man deserves a medal for the time he’s put in literally saving the internet for so many millions.

Essential for the ongoing battle of trying to keep shorts and recommended the fuck off of my YouTube subscription feed.

It’s a subscription feed. Ffs, just show me the most recent videos from the creators I’m subscribed to, in chronological order of release. The home page is for recommended videos

Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t uBlock the most capable adblock, with others coming close but not reaching it?

Even uBO works, but it’s cut down from what it once was

Also things like pfblocker/pihole. Pfblocker has made it shocking to see someone else use the Internet.

ublock has a lite version on chrome browsers that still works. but normal ublock is much better. ubo lite and other blockers are hiding the ads, but their lists can’t be updated so quickly.

but also, ublock origin is not just an ad blocker. it is a wide range content blocker, also efficient at blocking trackers and limiting fingerprinting. the browser API limitations that make it not work on chrome also means that it can’t do all that anymore, and it is really just a cosmetic ad blocker

I.e. it is the last usable browser.

unlock origin lite still works great for me

Alternate headline: Firefox is now the only browser worth using.

And in any case, lumping Firefox as one browser is disingenuous. There are numerous Firefox forks, just like every other major browser is in fact a Google Chromium fork.

Didn’t that happen like a year ago?

Some other Chrome based browser probably updated…

I think the idea is to stop people from browsing and make them rely on ai

Sorry to be a debbie downer but I have grave concerns about the long term viability of firefox.

Sites obviously don’t test against ff anymore with more and more bugs appearing in more and more sites.

I have to daily drive both ungoogled-chromium and librewolf and sadly, the number of things I need to do in chromium is increasing week by week.

Interesting, I use FF as a daily driver (with uBlock, Privacy Badger, HTTPS Everywhere) and I don’t experience common issues. I’m curious where you’re seeing problems? Maybe there’s something in your extension toolchain causing it?

i also only use FF on all my devices (w/ ublock), nearly never have problems.

Same.

I can actually speak to this as I also have weird issues with FF that doesn’t happen on a Chromium based browser.

Forms are a huge pain in the ass on FF a nonzero amount of time. It seems form validation and error handling simply fail a lot and it makes it almost impossible to navigate, even with me trying to fix their broken code.

Another weird place I’ve had issues intermittently is marketplace grids. Think Home Depot search results. Entire grids won’t show up or have CSS beyond comprehension.

Lastly video codecs. I use asbPlayer a lot and FF just does not have the same capabilities.

I can’t speak on OPs problems but I’ve absolutely had my fair share.

Once upon a time, every website only tested against Internet Explorer. Those notices you see to disable your adblocker will gradually disappear because you won’t even matter to their bottom line.

Helium and other Chromium derivatives still support it, so this title isn’t entirely accurate.

Sadly vanilla FF has embraced AI slop and set Google as their default search engine, show ads until you disable the function etc. So i guess the moral of the story is to not use default browsers.

Edit: I can’t read

“Major Browser”

Sorry I can’t read apparently

I switched back to Firefox vanilla after years of Chrome. Can you, or other power users, suggest alternate versions of FF/ other plugins more advanced or useful than Ublock? I haven’t had the time/energy to dig for it and would appreciate an upgrade path to get me up to date with privacy and more advanced ad blocking.

Thanks!

QoL extensions I use on top of uBlock:

• Consent-O-Matic (auto denies those annoying “our 500 partners would like your data” popupd)
• FastForward (skips link shorteners)
• DeArrow (honest yt titles and thumbnails)
• SponsorBlock (skips sponsors in yt)
• Tamper-/Greasemonkey (various userscripts)
• Password manager of choice extension (Bitwarden for me)
• Dark Reader (dark mode sites without dark mode)

LibreWolf has been my go-to for a few years now, highly recommend

Librewolf is your best bet for privacy and security. I like zen too though

If you’re looking for a FF derivative then LibreWolf as folk below suggested. Otherwise I’d highly recommend Helium – chromium based so compatibility is better, and it’s just a batteries included ungoogled chromium, meaning it’s completely (?) degoogled.

I like the Zen browser, its really unique but pretty cool

You don’t really need anything else. Frankly, the guy you’re replying to is being a whiny bitch about this. FF + uBlock is plenty - all you have to do is spend 60 seconds configuring it.

Toggle FF’s AI killswitch to the “enabled” option, set your default search engine to whatever you prefer, and turn on uBlock’s “annoyances” list. That’s it.

Would Mozilla even exist without all the Google money over the years?

Probably not… :D

uBlock origin lite still works fine and is good enough for me and most others

We should introduce Manifest V4 that would undo all damage V3 did.

Or support the Ladybird browser engine.

Did opera stop supporting it?

Opera has been a fork of chrome for over a decade now.

Hopefully ladybird finalizes some day, so we have more options than one

Give it a few more years. A browser is a complicated bit of kit!

For everyone using Firefox, are you using it with microG or some type of sandbox? Even when going private, you can’t download it unless you have Google Play services on mobile. Ive tried to see if it works without google and unfortunately it dosent. If that’s the case for mobile, then technically we really shouldn’t be using it either.

I use one of the forks on f-droid.

There are those of us who are using Firefox on the desktop. No Google Play anywhere in sight. And on the phone I am one of the odd ones using the Gecko engine based native Sailfish OS browser.

Thats what I do too. But for mobile, currently I’m using DuckDuckGo until I find something that can work right on this phone. The default browser for this phone is garbage and Iv been trying to find an alternative since then.

How’s Aloha Browser for you in case of mobile?

Hmmm I just downloaded it and so far its fine. 🤔Im gonna give it a shot and try it out

Get the APK from moz

I use Fennec from F-Droid, a Firefox fork.

I really wanted to use Fennec but its so freaking slow

In what sense? Fennec feels identical to any other Android browser for me…

I got one of the budget phones from Muerna, the Teracube 2s. You gotta go really light on the apps on this phone if you want to find e/OS alternatives, otherwise itll be either laggy, slow or just break and won’t work. Fennec has a lot of privacy features on its app, to the point where some things just won’t freaking load if your really concerned about internet traffic, ads, trackers etc. For me it just dosent work on this phone unless I use it on my other phone ive been experimenting with, Galaxy A16 5g.

You don’t need playstore…just download it directly from Mozilla. I do recall it was not easy to find the link from the main firefox.com website but I just saved the shortcut for future use.

It works perfectly fine on my degoogled old phone. I do run microG so that might be the case but I’ve not had any issues with it.

Unfortunately my work machine has an ARM Snapdragon Elite (it’s way better than it has any business being) and the ARM version of Firefox does not yet seem to play well with Yubikey certificates. I tried every which way of ARM and x86-64 Yubikey certificate drivers but none resolved my issues. I believe FIDO2 works, but some of our applications still require certificate authentication.

I don’t understand. It’s still working for me on an up-to-date Brave.

Brave doesn’t use uBlock

Vivaldi phases it out? I haven’t been off mobile in a while so I didn’t know that was planned. Waterfox still does ok.

Vivaldi = Chromium Waterfox = Firefox They are just forks.

I use brave. Built in youtube modifier and adblockers

It’s affiliated with a crypto scam and run by a homophobe

Zen Browser ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ

So Firefox?

Since there are only two major browsers… one of which admittedly wears many disguises.

3 major browsers, you forget every browser on an iPhone has to use WebKit for their backend.

Vanadium still blocks ads/malware successfully. Probably brave as well (I don’t have it installed, I can’t verify it myself)

Worst part is google could kill Firefox at anytime because they provide a very large amount of Mozilla’s funding.

Helium browser supports it too…