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Walmart Running Into Trouble as Its Super-Expensive Robots Can’t Handle the Realities of Warehouse Work: It's an automation "arms race."
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Walmart Running Into Trouble as Its Super-Expensive Robots Can’t Handle the Realities of Warehouse Work: It's an automation "arms race."
futurism.com/robots-and-machines/walmart-trouble-expensive-robots-warehouseReplying to @eicker@lemmy.world
Robots are more expensive and are less capable than people? What a surprise! Not. I saw that coming years ago… 🙄
Replying to @EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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Replying to @HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org
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Replying to @EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Unfortunately the robots are substantially faster and more effective than humans. Can you run at ~45 mph?
The issue is complexity and that’s something that’s getting better over time.
Replying to @RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip
sprinkle in a bit of AI into the mix and now it’s not only more expensive, but also highly regressive.
Replying to @RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip
My stand up Jack can go just as fast. The problem isn’t top speed, it’s acceleration and breaking. It’s being able to rip around a warehouse building orders quickly and efficiently. A dude with a stand up Jack and a voxcoder can beat most robots.
Replying to @HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
The company this post is referring to doesn’t have bots moving around a warehouse designed for humans. They built a whole building with shelves and space designed for the robots.
I promise you, the throughout is tremendously higher than humans alone. The bots can get up to roughly 45mph in a few seconds and break to a full stop in the same amount of time. I know this because I work in this space, the system is fast
Replying to @RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip
And it actually works? They can’t even figure out how to make vending machines that don’t cause a log-jam.
Replying to @EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I work for warehouse automation too. It absolutely works. Its just very carefully, meticulously planned. Every tiny edge case is accounted for. Hell. We measure the floor for difference in height to the mm where 3 is a big issue.
Replying to @duckshuffgoose@lemmy.ml
Thats kind of the whole problem with robots as tools. They can be incredibly fast and precise but if something is just slightly out of expected alignment they tear themselves apart (or kill someone nearby).
Replying to @Soggy@lemmy.world
Same could be said for using a saw, or electricity.
If its designed correctly, conforms to safety requirements, there is no real risk to human health.
Of course a not can always crash, but that should be accounted for and tested against much like go carts on a track
Replying to @EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Yep it works. When it’s running one of these things can push, not joking, millions of cases through a single warehouse a day.
Replying to @HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Ever notice that the top end speed of the non riding ones, the ones that you walk behind, us just a little beyond a comfortable walking pace? Always found that curious. Not quite running, but certainly not walking either. Hips would hurt at the end of a shift.
Replying to @RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip
Unfortunately robots are not able to think critically
Replying to @AntonioAndolini@lemmy.world
They don’t need to. No more than a conveyor needs to think critically.
I think people are envisioning the robots moving through a warehouse that was built for humans. That is not the case.
Special purpose warehouses are built with the robots in mind. The bots don’t need to navigate an uncontrolled environment as the environment was meant for them.
It’s basically a really big, really performant conveyor belt.
Replying to @RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip
Complexity is expensive.
Replying to @EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Expensive isn’t really an issue though is it?
If I can guarantee you quadruple your revenue by doubling your expense, you’d take the deal no? That’s basically what these things do.
Replying to @RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip
To be a bit more precise, is it about throughput or lead time? Because for throughput I imagine you can just have more workers, but for quicker shipping you need to do pick and pack in less time, rather than do a lot of them in a given time.
Replying to @VAK@lemmy.world
Throughput primarily, the bottleneck is still shipping. These systems do allow for picking/packing faster as well but from a logistics standpoint if you want more output you just need more trucks.
Replying to @RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip
How does it help in getting more revenue then? Demand wouldn’t change, right?
Replying to @VAK@lemmy.world
Businesses tend to bank on demand for products being functionally infinite over the long term. Because of this it tends to be a safe bet that you’ll make more money the quicker, and cheaper, you can get products on shelves.
This has held pretty true thus far, though personally I have to wonder if there’s an upper limit. Human’s have to have a upper tolerance for buying junk right?
Replying to @RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip
In this scenario, as you said it’s not making the delivery quicker, is it right to assume that it’s making it cheaper? Is the cost of warehousing lower with robots?
Replying to @EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Especially at Walmart when loading a truck means throwing the shit inside and as fast as possible. Used to unload Walmart trucks. Wish had pics (this was wat before smartphones) You open back doors and the boxes would just spill out. There was always breakage. But Walmart didn’t care. It fuck up way Walmart does business and they are shady as fuck. But allows them to not care about the products. But yeah robots are slow and no way can work at the speeds required at a Walmart distribution facility.
Replying to @Fredselfish@sh.itjust.works
There’s lot of types of warehouse automation outside of a robot skating on the ground picking up pallets or cases or anything. As in, there are certainly automation systems that work alongside people or other different bots that absolutely thrash the throughput of a typical warehouse operation
Walmart merely made a number of very stupid decisions when entering the automation game, but to them its drops in a bucket. They’ll just move on to the next one