@grayrattus
Managers are regular employees too. Don't think anyone can tell from their coats what their function in the company is.

At least you agree that these glasses are useful for harassers.

@Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom

@Heidentweet
A few months after I deleted my facebook account (must be over 12 years now) I received a job offer from Meta.

I didn't respond, so the recruiter wrote me the second time.

I didn't want to engage with that, because it was plain that what facebook was doing was bad for the society (and that was before Cambridge Analytica &c).

No one is obligated to work for Meta, and while I have no hard feelings against its employees, they are complicit with what Meta has been doing.

If they are putting harassment glasses on the market, it would be naive to expect no one will be harassed - so maybe experiences like this will make them rethink their careers and whatever they chose to devote their life to.

(Of course I still hope that the success of this equipment will be comparable to that of MetaVerse)

@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom

@Heidentweet @grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom people who come in with backpacks through the front door at companies at these scales are generally not managers.

@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom

They work for META, fully knowing what kind of company it is they work for, don't they? "Working for money" doesn't mean they are not complicit.

@sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom and this gives you permission to harass them? What if they are not proud of their work and only do it for money as there is no other job on the market?

@grayrattus @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom 🤡 🤣 #mute

@grayrattus

They haven't been constantly harassed. They were made a little fun of, once, one morning, on their way to work. The guy had the decency to hide their face.

He hasn't been mean, it was light hearted humor.

I understand that we should understand that this is only a job, that this might be the only job available and so on. On the other hand, their job is making everybody else's life a little worse.

I understand that we should understand that this is only a job, that this might be the only job available and so on

@tyil @MichelPatrice "They could still live a very good life making a lot less money and having some moral values, if they actually cared." - if you have 3 kids, a mortgage 550 000 euros for 30 years and car in Amaterdam corporate jobs are the only options to cover expenses.

@tyil @grayrattus @MichelPatrice A mortgage of 550000 euro is not in Amsterdam. ;)

But every job is a choice. Being a soldier, a butcher is a choice. So why not working at Meta. Or, maybe, they just dont care.

Please read the books of Jan Eggers about the Circle. He is so on point.

But every job is a choice

Or, maybe, they just dont care.

@grayrattus

And there are other jobs. But they won't quit their job over this because it was only one dude making a little fun of them, once.

I'm sure they can suffer this.

@MichelPatrice and what is then the purpose of this "suffering"? Dont you feel like it will only make you feel better for a moment and they could loose their job due to this one unfunny prank?

It would really be better if this guy found out who is a top manager and ask him. Otherwise ita just bullying already bullied employes. And thats fucked up.

@grayrattus

The quotation marks on "suffering" are appropriated.

It is funny.

What ever top manager he will find will still be some unimportant employee.

But it is nice to think that some really big top managers somewhere have to see that their own employees are uncomfortable with these creep glasses and have to see their creep glasses made fun of.

@MichelPatrice I work enough in corporate to know that managers dont care about it at all. They are only there for profit and if a single employee said something bad about meta they would be fired immediatelly.

Please if you ever do similar stunt focus on managers and not on minions. Their life is already fucked up. Its easy to bully already bullied but it takes guts to for example record some higher management sniffing coke in one of Amsterdam clubs.

@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom

What do you mean "harass them"

The guy simply uses the product that their employer markets to the public, within their employer's guidelines for it.

Do you somehow suggest that this is not perfectly all right?

@sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I see you still try to turn this into some kind of a joke but Im not joking. This is harassement and its not funny.

He recorded vulnerable employees and I think its pathetic.

@sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom volgende video naast Amazon warehouse:

V: waarom werk je voor Amazon? Ze support Israel!
A: weź kurwa uwal sie na frikandele, mam dzieci, które muszą jeść kiedy ty próbujesz zrobić ze mnie śmiecia dla wyświetleń na tiktoku

@sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom volgende video naast Amazon warehouse:
V: waarom werk je voor Amazon? Ze support Israel!
A: fuck off lad, I have kids to feed while you try to make me look like a cunt for views on tiktok

@sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom volgende video naast Amazon warehouse:
V: waarom werk je voor Amazon? Ze support Israel!
A: Kanker op, kut. Als ik kinderen heb, hebben zij eten nodig, terwijl jij probeert mijn persoonlijkheid te gebruiken voor views op TikTok.

@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom

Je reden om die vergelijking te maken is dat je aanneemt dat ik het net zo verkeerd vind als jij om Amazon-employees aan te spreken op het morele aspect van hun werk voor Amazon?

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@grayrattus @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom Are you realising the Problem? If this one Video is harassment, what are those PervGlasses as product for our society? AI based corporate mass surveillance for marketing, AI Training and collaboration with Law Enforcement.

@fckusa @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I understand the problem pretty well and I also understand that such actions dont make any impact other than they give you small spark of joy when you scroll the feed of your social network.

If you want to change something, protest in front of government buildings and meta headquarters. Dont haras employees. Focus on people who make decisions.

@grayrattus @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I agree on the protest with focus on the governments but even if every nation regulates this tech there won't be a coherent rulebook. We need to pressure every level of this industry accordingly to their role in this technology and employees working for Zuckerberg are a part of it. One of the minor parts but still. So I'm fine with this action. It's ok if you have your own view on that.

@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom

You mean *in your opinion* it is harassment and not funny.

I think that, to the extent that it can be considered harassment, it is not undeserved, since those people work for META, and moreover I find the videoclip both enlightening and funny.

@sibrosan @grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom What would you say you learned from watching this video?

@prism @grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom

That the intended use of the pervert glasses that META sells constitutes, in general, a gross violation of people's privacy, even if the company pretends it's just a harmless, fun product, and that even META's own employees are painfully aware of that, when confronted with someone using it in their presence.

#Meta #pervertglasses #privacy

@grayrattus @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I don't think these were the cleaning staff. Quite a difference between actual compensated developers and low wage Amazon workers which you're defending in a follow-up post.

If you want to instigate change, you need to poke at all different levels. Indeed not _just_ these minions, but _also_. When more people feel the hypocrisy in their work, they can bring about a shift for the better, if only ever so slightly.

@grayrattus @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom Every person has the responsibility to take a step back and assess the nature of the organization in which they consider themselves merely an insignificant cog, no matter how much they "need" a job. Failing to do so and worse making fallacious excuses for them inevitably leads to the Banality of Evil. Their victims have a right to a life too.
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@grayrattus @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom This person made an attempt to open the eyes of the employees to this matter, by demonstrating the "joy" the flagship product of their company brings to innocent citizens.
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@grayrattus @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom

”Won’t someone think of the fascism enablers?!”

@sibrosan @grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom Few years ago, when we still got the luxury to be able to choose which job we wanted to do, that may have been partly relevant.
But this days (thanks to the USA gov and a few bunch of billionaries), with the global economic situation making everything expensive, housing less affordable, etc, people are just happy to have a work and keep it.

@sibrosan @grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom So, given this logic, is every USA resident a supporter of the current USA gov and its decisions, like the Iran war ?

@ck0 @grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom

You mean: given this faulty logic? I suppose so 🤔

@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom Ergens werken is niet neutraal. Het is een keus. Je wordt er meer of minder voor betaalt... en daar kun je zeker op worden aangesproken voor alles boven het niveau van vakkenvullen.

@fubaroque Precies. Het is geen moeilijke vraag. Als tiener besloot ik al niet voor onethische bedrijven te werken en dat heb ik nooit gedaan. Deze mensen kunnen dat ook doen. Anders zijn ze medeplichtig. Geld boven alles.
@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom

@hembrow @fubaroque @grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom
Diese Entscheidung, die Sie als Jugendlicher getroffen haben bedeutet für jeden etwas anderes und hat sehr unterschiedliche Konzequenzen. Grundsätzliche Teile ich diesen Gedanken, aber wem die Wahl tatsächlich fehlt (das Überleben, ist keine Wahl), dem fehlt zumindest in diesem Moment die Alternative. Allerdings muss man sich trotzdem jederzeit nach einer Alternative umsehen, wenn es nicht mit dem Gewissen vertretbar ist.

@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom yea, where you work (especially if you have the option to work at meta or booking) is a choice. Deciding to work at a place that supports genocide means actively supporting genocide.

@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom Working at Meta is a choice. There are 1.5 million job vacancies in the Netherlands. Even selling drugs on a street corner is more socially beneficial than working at Meta.

@whvholst @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I wonder how many of them will allow you to pay bills in Amsterdam.

@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom Even assuming that one could not live anywhere else on the planet but in Amsterdam (poor soul!), there are plenty of jobs in Amsterdam that do not involve taking a job at a corporation that has been complicit in multiple genocides like Meta is.

@grayrattus Good point. They're just doing their jobs. That's a great defense that's worked before. @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom

@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom this would typically not be people who have no choice where to work

@mkoek @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom sure, especially that a lot of people from the video did not even speak Dutch XD They probably have soooo many oportunities to work outside of corporate jobs.

@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom have you folks seen the average salaries for working at Meta? They could work anywhere better for a bit less. You HAVE to want to work at Meta in order to work at Meta.