Replying to @⁨Roelmaalderink@mastodon.social⁩

@Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom its cool but why are you harrasing employees? xD their work is already shit as they work for META.

Its kind of like going to Booking and asking: "How do you like sponsoring genocide?!!".

I think it would be better if you hunt for manager of whole META branch or something. Regular employees work for money just as we all do.

#metaglasses #meta

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Replying to @⁨Heidentweet@todon.eu⁩

@Heidentweet
A few months after I deleted my facebook account (must be over 12 years now) I received a job offer from Meta.

I didn't respond, so the recruiter wrote me the second time.

I didn't want to engage with that, because it was plain that what facebook was doing was bad for the society (and that was before Cambridge Analytica &c).

No one is obligated to work for Meta, and while I have no hard feelings against its employees, they are complicit with what Meta has been doing.

If they are putting harassment glasses on the market, it would be naive to expect no one will be harassed - so maybe experiences like this will make them rethink their careers and whatever they chose to devote their life to.

(Of course I still hope that the success of this equipment will be comparable to that of MetaVerse)

@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom

Replying to @⁨grayrattus@mastodon.social⁩

@grayrattus

They haven't been constantly harassed. They were made a little fun of, once, one morning, on their way to work. The guy had the decency to hide their face.

He hasn't been mean, it was light hearted humor.

I understand that we should understand that this is only a job, that this might be the only job available and so on. On the other hand, their job is making everybody else's life a little worse.

Replying to @⁨MichelPatrice@jasette.facil.services⁩

@MichelPatrice@jasette.facil.services @grayrattus@mastodon.social
I understand that we should understand that this is only a job, that this might be the only job available and so on
There's quite a few jobs in the Netherlands right now. Even in tech. But there are indeed very little jobs that make that kind of money, and that is what they're really interested in. They could still live a very good life making a lot less money and having some moral values, if they actually cared.

Replying to @⁨si2mev@mastodon.social⁩

@si2mev@mastodon.social @grayrattus@mastodon.social @MichelPatrice@jasette.facil.services I didn't come up with the number, I don't know how much mortgages are over there right now. But I do know from first-hand experience you can get a way lower mortgage right outside Amsterdam, and you can halve it by moving even further.
But every job is a choice
Correct, and with every choice there can be consequences. If you're in the army, and it turns out the army is shooting children for fun, for instance, you can expect some people to dislike this. This may result in you getting questions about the situation. You can cry "I didn't know" or "I'm just doing my job", or you can be an adult.
Or, maybe, they just dont care.
They just don't care about others specifically. This is what I argued earlier in the thread, as it seems most likely.

Replying to @⁨MichelPatrice@jasette.facil.services⁩

@MichelPatrice and what is then the purpose of this "suffering"? Dont you feel like it will only make you feel better for a moment and they could loose their job due to this one unfunny prank?

It would really be better if this guy found out who is a top manager and ask him. Otherwise ita just bullying already bullied employes. And thats fucked up.

Replying to @⁨grayrattus@mastodon.social⁩

@grayrattus

The quotation marks on "suffering" are appropriated.

It is funny.

What ever top manager he will find will still be some unimportant employee.

But it is nice to think that some really big top managers somewhere have to see that their own employees are uncomfortable with these creep glasses and have to see their creep glasses made fun of.

Replying to @⁨MichelPatrice@jasette.facil.services⁩

@MichelPatrice I work enough in corporate to know that managers dont care about it at all. They are only there for profit and if a single employee said something bad about meta they would be fired immediatelly.

Please if you ever do similar stunt focus on managers and not on minions. Their life is already fucked up. Its easy to bully already bullied but it takes guts to for example record some higher management sniffing coke in one of Amsterdam clubs.

Replying to @⁨fckusa@mastodon.social⁩

@fckusa @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I understand the problem pretty well and I also understand that such actions dont make any impact other than they give you small spark of joy when you scroll the feed of your social network.

If you want to change something, protest in front of government buildings and meta headquarters. Dont haras employees. Focus on people who make decisions.

Replying to @⁨grayrattus@mastodon.social⁩

@grayrattus @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I agree on the protest with focus on the governments but even if every nation regulates this tech there won't be a coherent rulebook. We need to pressure every level of this industry accordingly to their role in this technology and employees working for Zuckerberg are a part of it. One of the minor parts but still. So I'm fine with this action. It's ok if you have your own view on that.

Replying to @⁨prism@infosec.exchange⁩

@prism @grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom

That the intended use of the pervert glasses that META sells constitutes, in general, a gross violation of people's privacy, even if the company pretends it's just a harmless, fun product, and that even META's own employees are painfully aware of that, when confronted with someone using it in their presence.

#Meta #pervertglasses #privacy

Replying to @⁨grayrattus@mastodon.social⁩

@grayrattus @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I don't think these were the cleaning staff. Quite a difference between actual compensated developers and low wage Amazon workers which you're defending in a follow-up post.

If you want to instigate change, you need to poke at all different levels. Indeed not _just_ these minions, but _also_. When more people feel the hypocrisy in their work, they can bring about a shift for the better, if only ever so slightly.

Replying to @⁨grayrattus@mastodon.social⁩

@grayrattus @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom Every person has the responsibility to take a step back and assess the nature of the organization in which they consider themselves merely an insignificant cog, no matter how much they "need" a job. Failing to do so and worse making fallacious excuses for them inevitably leads to the Banality of Evil. Their victims have a right to a life too.
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Replying to @⁨sibrosan@mastodon.social⁩

@sibrosan @grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom Few years ago, when we still got the luxury to be able to choose which job we wanted to do, that may have been partly relevant.
But this days (thanks to the USA gov and a few bunch of billionaries), with the global economic situation making everything expensive, housing less affordable, etc, people are just happy to have a work and keep it.

Replying to @⁨hembrow@todon.eu⁩

@hembrow @fubaroque @grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom
Diese Entscheidung, die Sie als Jugendlicher getroffen haben bedeutet für jeden etwas anderes und hat sehr unterschiedliche Konzequenzen. Grundsätzliche Teile ich diesen Gedanken, aber wem die Wahl tatsächlich fehlt (das Überleben, ist keine Wahl), dem fehlt zumindest in diesem Moment die Alternative. Allerdings muss man sich trotzdem jederzeit nach einer Alternative umsehen, wenn es nicht mit dem Gewissen vertretbar ist.