Replying to an earlier post

all indicators are that these data centers are being built to keep up the breakneck pace of companies racing to create AGI

Amazon? Nah, it has commercial interest in this, not scientific*.

Also, MAGA is pushing this like crazy, and destroying the planet in the process. For the next 10 years there’s by law practically no regulation wrt anything AI.

That said:

keep up the breakneck pace of US-American companies racing to create AGI more AI, or ELLM = even larger language models

This affects the whole world, esp. if other governments (looking at EU) simply swallow the narrative hook line sinker.

Fuck This Shit

* If you say they are chasing AGI you mean that they are willing to make decisions that will further that goal, not just further profits. And I do not believe that for one second.

Replying to @⁨A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip⁩

My stance towards AI is complicated. I think it’s an amazing technology with the potential to change the world for the better, but also the potential to change the world for the worse. I don’t trust it in the hands of giant for-profit corporations, and think we should, among other things, legislate some regulations to ensure transparency and prevent it from being used in ways harmful to privacy and democracy. I also acknowledge that technological advances don’t go in reverse, and AI is never going away.

Does that answer your question?

Replying to an earlier post

It does.

If not for the environmental impact which makes it an absolute no-no for the foreseeable future I might even agree with you except that my divided stance already starts one step earlier:

I think it’s an amazing technology

Maybe it was that 10 years ago but I find it hard to see it that way when people constantly state that they don’t even know what’s happening inside it (black box) and that whatever development has happened since then was heavily if not completely influenced by interests of power & money.

That said, there might be some models out there that have little or nothing to do with the mainstream development, and I recognize that, but I would not call them AI writ large - that’s what Big Tech does as described above.

Replying to an earlier post

They’re literally buying up all the computing resources so that we can’t get any.

We will all have to communicate though walled gardens on dumb tablets.

They can quickly summarize vast amounts of text looking for any “undesirable” patterns using LLMs.

We will all have to rent computing time from them.

This is the point, this has been the point for a long time, it’s just that LLMs were the largest storm of “impressive to rubes” and “resource hungry”. Micron has already eliminated its consumer brand, Crucial. Hell, Peter Thiel (the Palantir guy) goes around giving talks about how “being against AI is the antichrist” just to make sure that all the remaining brainwashed sheep fall for the ruse.

This shit is not hard to see. They want to own our future entirely and they want us to pay them for the privilege.

Capitalism was a fucking mistake.

Replying to @⁨CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world⁩

that’s my biggest worry, more data centers won’t lower the cost of LLM tokens.

The only reason they want so much compute power is to have AI agents watching and annotating everything flock cameras see.

not just license plate readers (a raspberry pi could handle that). but everything.

My paranoia is that in 5 years, if you protest, the police will come to arrest you with a long list of every “crime” you have committed: driving holding you phone, no seatbelt, a recipt flew out of your pockets… a long list of petty meaningless violations.

and they’ll have that list for everyone.

Replying to @⁨IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world⁩

They are already unpopular now. Wait till the pigs dive even deeper in popularity.

They might convince the general population that the first amendment is not worth exercising, and instead we all neet to contemplate military style resistance.

Nobody apparently wants to bring trouble to themselves as long as there is still anything left to hope for. However that calculus can change once the powers that be engineer a life even more glaringly worthless than it already is. Lots of people are quiet quitting or not having children already. That trend will accelerate even further.

Replying to an earlier post

Wait, it does not run on solar, even partially? JFC.

edit: yep.

Amazon has confirmed its investment in a massive gas-burning power plant in Texas, meant to supply up to 7.65 gigawatts of energy to a planned data center in Pecos County. Should it come online as planned, the plant’s 35 turbines would be allowed to spew 33 million tons of CO2 a year, the NYT notes, which would easily make it the largest single fount of emissions in the country.

It would also be in stark defiance of Amazon’s stated climate goals, which center on reaching net-zero carbon emissions by 2040.

🤦

Does greed know no end in this country?

Replying to @⁨cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com⁩

This thing is 7.65GW. The largest solar array in the US is 900MW and uses 4600-5000 acres. The scale to do this on solar alone is bonkers, but not impossible.

You would need to at least 4x provision it which means a 30GW solar array, and 156,000 acres, before getting into battery storage for non sunny times.

It’d be nice to use some solar absolutely, but this is better suited to nuclear.

Edit: And if you aren’t storing / over provision to store, then you still need the peak output from another source anyway and these things likely always run near peak as they are constantly in use, so the size of the non-solar source doesn’t reduce, only its output during the sunny day time hours. So you end up with 7.65GW of natural gas still, but maybe they also build a 1GW solar farm on the side.

Replying to an earlier post

More context:

It would also be in stark defiance of Amazon’s stated climate goals, which center on reaching net-zero carbon emissions by 2040.

That’s not lost on the tech giant. But as Amazon spokesperson Margaret Callahan told the NYT, the “world looks different now than when we co-founded the climate pledge.”

“We’re being transparent about the challenges, investing in innovation, and delivering measurable results,” Callahan continued. “Growth and sustainability don’t have to be in opposition — in fact, our results show they reinforce each other.”

That is so cynical.

The USA and its legislation (10 year moratorium on all AI regulation) is what changed.

The world is continuously and slowly going in the same direction since they “pledged”. Nothing has changed there.

Replying to an earlier post

There is a paradox which I can’t name now that states that every time there are advancements capable of solving scarcity problems instead of ending the issue new uses for the solution are come up with and what became plentiful gets stressed again.

That much excess heat is energy. An immense amount of it. Maybe use it to smelt scrap or process artificial diamonds.

The matter at hand is, for a change, excess when it is usually the opposite.

Replying to @⁨return2ozma@lemmy.world⁩

Remember that Stargate SG1 episode where they find themselves into a huge underground facility that is under attack by external forces. Jack O’Neill accepts to pilot one of their drones to help defend the complex from a wave of bombers and is infuriated to learn that the attacker’s bombers were manned while he believed they were unmanned.

spoiler

At the end it turns out the facility was actively poisoning the entire planet, threatening to wipe out all life and the “attackers” were simply the people of the rest of the world trying to stop it.

That is what the Amazon data center is to me.

Replying to an earlier post

Amazon is a seller, they don’t manufacture almost anything, but that’s beside the point. It’s not about the individual. I can blame either BP for drilling for oil, or the millions of people who refuse to:

  • drive an EV
  • ordering the more expensive but locally manufactured products that don’t need that much transportation
  • vote for walkable cities and public transportation
  • simply consume less stuff

That would require introspection, and maybe accepting responsibility. It’s easier to live in a world that the BP’s CEO is the bad one and me and all of my friends are blameless victims.

Billionaires can only burn so much oil with their private planes and yachts, they don’t consume 100 million barrels per day.

Replying to @⁨Tja@programming.dev⁩

Retrospection is always nice and needed and consumption habits definitely need to change. However there is something to be said of someone who single handedly and deliberately pushes the world towards more and more unsustainable consumption habits because they are playing the world like they are playing a game of monopoly. Imagine opening a supermarket chain in a town with local shops and driving others out of business by creating unfair competition with very low prices (by providing goods from countries with lower wages and questionable production standards). Sure you can also blame the local consumers for being selfish and not owning their community but in some cases people actually have to choose between cheaper grocery prices vs other essentials. And now in this case you are comparing someone who is being selfish because it becomes a matter of providing yourself and your kids with basic necessities vs someone who already has billions but is driving even less sustainable consumption practices because it makes them more money. To me it is clear in this case on whom the bigger part of the blame falls to. Educate people and ask them to do retrospection yes but as long as people like billionaires exist, they will actively look for ways to exploit the system. So they should not exist.

Billionaires can only burn so much oil with their private planes and yachts

Everything aside, if someone is personally consuming yearly the fuel equivalent of hundreds of people, I can still call them a much more selfish person even though on a grander scale that particular impact is negligible compared to totality of commercial flights.

Replying to an earlier post

It would also be in stark defiance of Amazon’s stated climate goals, which center on reaching net-zero carbon emissions by 2040.

That’s not lost on the tech giant. But as Amazon spokesperson Margaret Callahan told the NYT, the “world looks different now than when we co-founded the climate pledge.”

What the fuck? They looked at the world recently and said “yeah, climate change isn’t as much of a problem as it was before”?!?

Replying to @⁨deathbird@mander.xyz⁩

True. Definitely not saying they are more efficient or vouching for them, just a curious thought. They definitely do a lot of stupid shit like, as you said, bag individual items that absolutely do not need it. Or worse, I’ve ordered groceries through them and I’ll get a bag that contains one onion, meanwhile it could have gone into literally any other bag. I’m guessing a byproduct of some weird logistics design sacrificing all else over internal efficiency.

Replying to @⁨quarkquasar@lemmy.world⁩

In case it was not your intent to point this out with sarcasm, for anyone reading:

  1. not all forests are created equal: new growth forests are simply not as good at long-term burial of carbon.

  2. carbon sinks only work so long as the carbon stays sunk, so if a tree dies and rots before it’s buried, all of that carbon just goes back to the atmosphere, except a lot of it is now methane, which is MANY times worse than CO2.

  3. this means that it is possible for a poorly - managed tree to actually be an effective carbon source for the purpose of greenhouse gas emissions, rather than a sink, since a single molecule of methane can do the damage of a hundred molecules of carbon dioxide.

  4. the largest carbon sink on earth is not the forests, but the ocean, and that carbon only really has two ways out: back into the atmosphere, or buried at the bottom in the calcareous ooze. Now if you really want to understand how fucked we are, read up on the following:

  • Carbonate Compensation Depth (see how it relates to the amount of calcareous ooze being buried in the ocean)
  • Methane Clathrate Hydrate
  • Permafrost Methane

Replying to @⁨Shindo66@lemmy.world⁩

The company benefits by convincing investors that it’s still growing and innovating. If investors think they are still growing their stock prices go up. If their stock prices go up then they can use their stock as an asset to borrow against or as a form of payment in lieu of cash. Stock is particularly useful to a company as a medium of exchange because they can just make more. But they can only do that without tanking the value if people are buying, and they can only keep people buying if they think the price will go up, and the only thing the price will go up if they think the company is going to become more profitable in the future.

This is basically Cory Doctrow’s argument in his latest book.

Replying to an earlier post

Honestly, this is more of a values disparity.

If two people have different values in some places in life, its normal to have adversity.

Just because it’s a capitalist themed value, doesnt mean this person is being irrational imo.

Mostly agree with you, leading by example is the way. I am amazon free, but my fucking goddamn husband, absolutely pays for prime for television (and almost never watches much there, very annoying) but, I have gotten him to change his buying habits, and he doesnt buy off amazon no where near what he used to, its like once a year now. Ive have been successful in teaching him to at least think about where he spends money, and who it supports. It took some time sure.

Replying to @⁨Mountainaire@lemmy.world⁩

Let’s remind ourselves this is a company actively supporting genocide.

force her into submission

coercing her to leave

You conclude there’s forcing and coercion from 2 sentences? I just see two people with apparently incompatible moral values about consumption. I don’t see any forcing or coercion. I think it’s a very valid reason. If he has or is willing to put patience into the relationship is also a decision he has to take.

Replying to @⁨Mountainaire@lemmy.world⁩

Why do I have to name alternatives for you? I also find manipulative that the alternatives you seek from me MUST have definitely spoken against Zionist entity, when just not participating would be enough.

I think stating your boundaries about who you want to be with is not forcing. Would be forcing if his gf was dependable on him or there was emotional manipulation involved…

Replying to @⁨odioLemmy@lemmy.world⁩

What I mean is that isn’t it hard to prove whether a company actually is supporting Israel unless they’ve been outright about being against it? I’m not trying to test you; I’m literally curious about what some of these are.

Also, is what he’s doing not emotional manipulation? “Ultimatum” or not, the exact wording doesn’t matter; if he really cares about continuing the relationship, He should be actively helping her find alternatives to the products that she would normally buy from Amazon and even link them to her to make it easy to move. He’s putting the work on her; that’s lazy and rude and controlling when he doesn’t even want to help her help the switch. Does that make sense?

Replying to @⁨Waffelmeister@lemmy.world⁩

Imho there are different aspects to this: are they binge buying useless stuff on Amazon constantly, feeding into mindless consumerism? are there more ethical alternatives available?

If someone uses Amazon for something they can’t find anywhere else, or that the alternative costs so much more they can’t afford it, then I understand. If they are just a mindless consumer and they do nothing to change that, they lose my respect.

At the same time, if that is a reason you are considering to break up with someone, imo it tells your relationship is not very solid to start with.

Replying to @⁨odioLemmy@lemmy.world⁩

If they are just a mindless consumer and they do nothing to change that, they lose my respect.

god I am like this too. I met a woman (on disability no less, so cash strapped) who ordered so much goddamn shit from temu, it was taking over her house. She then flipped on the latest reality “love” based TV show, and I did not make a friend that day. Got the hell outta there whew