The map in the article shows the American name for the lake on the Canadian side of the border and doesn’t show the Canadian name for the lake at all. Thus far, I’m not favorably impressed with John’s performance. But then, the people using his maps aren’t his customers.

This whole thing sucks, but I think the location of the name likely has nothing to do with the change. It’s likely where the name already was just for convenience.

Also, generally they just show one country or language name for things at a time. You wouldn’t see Deutschland and Germany if you looked it up on the app. You’d see the one that made the most sense depending on the device or app settings. This is basically just a localization setting.

It’s not one lake. It’s now two lakes, divided by an international border. Canada’s Lake Ontario, north of the border and Trumps Lake America south of the border. Trump and Apple can keep their petty political maneuvers to themselves. As if it makes America great again and wins the trade wars or the war with Iran, as that seems to be the delusion.

The president has these companies hostage in terms of trade rules. They appease him or they lose out, and considering the state of big tech, they need friends, because the AI bubble has drained their supply chains of resources.

The thing is, Apple was the exception in terms of the “AI” circlejerkery. Not trying to fanboi for them - simply pointing out that they are nowhere near the proportional outlay that the kool-aid drinkers are, in terms of ML spend.

That’s probably about to change with their new CEO too:

“It’s becoming clear that AI is not a fad, is not something that will go away in the next two or three years,” said Jeronimo. “It’s something that will dictate the future of most tech companies and indeed all companies.”

He reckons AI could be “the most consequential technology” for Apple because it could either help it maintain its lofty position or create a set of daunting challenges.

www.dw.com/en/…/a-78575898

It’s pretty likely that AI was the reason why Apple is changing CEOs in the first place, because they have been getting criticized for not being as hopelessly stupid about it as other tech companies are.

Nah, I don’t think that’s it. Cook is 65, and retirement (or semi-retirement) is appropriate for his age.

Termus is a hardware guy, and if AI is going to play a part in Apple’s long-term plan (and I agree that it will,) it’s going to skew heavily on-device. I don’t think we see any big AI changes from Apple just because Ternus is now CEO.

Fair, he was due to retire.

But at the very least, there’s a good chance that Apple will start trying to shoehorn integrate AI in a lot of places. How much and where remains to be seen. Especially as a new CEO, there will be a lot of pressure to respond to all the criticism they’ve been receiving about their approach to AI.

Also, Apple was kinda dull under Cook.

Which is a weird thing to say when you have big swings like the Vision Pro. But the phones pads and watches really played it safe.

Totally agree and why I’m cautiously optimistic about Ternus.

Dull but extremely profitable and successful as a company. Maybe their products are boring and there were a few flops along the way (HomePod, Vision Pro) but the transition to the M chips seems to have been successful and iPhone is still 21% of market share of the smart phone market.

Let’s see how the floppy phone is received when it comes out in a few days.

Yeah exactly, local AI is the long term future. Open weight models running on your desk are already good enough for a lot of tasks, and quickly getting better.

Apple are in a very good position here and don’t really need to do all that much other than continue to iterate on their existing hardware.

Compare that to Anthropic, OpenAI who must spend insane amounts to host their closed weight models, which seem to be unprofitable at any prices people are actually prepared to pay. As local AI improves these companies have no other business to fall back on. I know which company I’d rather be CEO of right now.

BS is all that is driving hardware sales at the moment. Computers have been fit-for-purpose for the last 10 years.

If people don’t submit to the AI BS, they won’t need to upgrade their computers.

The only way to force people to upgrade their computers is forced obsolescence; which requires the hardware to have some sort of remote kill switch, like a TPM.

This is also why open source OSs are being criminalised; if you can run Linux on an old MacBook or Surface Pro 4, there is no incentive to buy a new computer.

which requires the hardware to have some sort of remote kill switch, like a TPM.

Okay I’m curious now, what’s the mechanism of killing hardware via TPM?

I guess @Salvo might have been referring to the possibility of subverting “trusted” platform modules into treacherous ones.

Where is running Linux being criminalized? I dual boot my MacBook Pro with Linux just fine.

They couldn’t figure it out and their AI dep has been in shambles. Apple is/were not ‘good’ in any sense of the word. There are docs that describes why apple didn’t get on the AI train, and they were NOT trying deliberately to fight back against AI - in any way…

Leave out the AI parts and you’re right. People just don’t realize that Trump will make it very hard to do business in the US if you don’t follow his requests.

To the level that should be (and in many cases are but haven’t yet been challenged successfully in court) illegal for the president to do, for many reasons.

Yeah, the poor mistreated crapple Corp are SO good and ONLY wewil Drump is what suddenly makes them a huge international evil turd !

I mean they obviously have no fanbase/money/power, so they cannot push back in any way, and are only now being ‘forced’ to be an evil fascist corp…

So… lets all defend/protect the good Apple corp against the orange oligarch puppet, that is the ONLY reason they just now turned evil…

…Okay then…

The corpos like it that way. It’s so much easier to make a well-placed ‘donation’ than have to work around all those annoying laws and regulations.

Way to fully slip Trump’s tiny penis into your mouth, John. Good start to your legacy.

End your legacy more like; he’s been at Apple for a bloody long time

I meant legacy as CEO. But yeah, he seemed competent. Now he seems like all the rest of them – spineless.

I mean, maybe that decision wasn’t really his? Sounds like it could’ve been Tim Apple’s last minute order to do everything his majesty world leader supreme wants.

The article isn’t clear on that, I wouldn’t write off Johnny just yet.

Eh, his calculus was likely the following:

• Trump has in the past threatened economic or financial penalties over minor, and major, disagreements
• Trump is in his last term, so he likely isn’t concerned with the political, legal, etc. ramifications of his actions
• Apple, as a company, still manufactures the majority of its product lines outside the US
• Trump is still trying to use tariffs in the US to manipulate markets and force business actions
• Either I capitulate and save Apple from potentially billions in fiscal pain and / or years of legal representation to fight said pain, or make this change and avoid all of it
• The cost of this capitulation is mostly a PR / company image issue + plus dev time to implement the change, versus a very real monetary loss

I don’t agree with his decision, but given the options available I do agree trying to keep the peace with the vindictive, unstable world leader of Apple’s largest market is in their best interest.

He’s the CEO now. It makes no difference what Cook may or may not have done in his final days.

Ternus is allowing this to happen or he directed it to happen. Either way, he’s spineless because he won’t tell Trump to fuck off. If he changes course in the near future, then my opinion will change. But they kept the stupid name change of the gulf, they’ll likely keep this as well.

And to the people who would say “well what choice does he have?” That’s a form of appeasement. And I seem to remember some kind of history where that didn’t work out too well for business and government appeasing a dictator.

Like a Vienna sausage minus the European class.

Not a good start.

John Apple

Johnny Appleseed

Johnny Diaperseed

Johnny Dickweed.

Johnny Crappledeed.

Cuz of his crappy deeds, if you’ll pardon my French.

Asahi Linux, here I come.

Other than just this, reading through the comments, this John fellow like he’s trying to speed run enshittifying Apple.

MS and Apple looking to push that Linux migration with AI and other bad decisions.

speed run enshittifying Apple

They have had the nick name ‘cRapple’ …amongst a hundred others for many many years. Such names doesn’t come by them selves, so not sure why you think they are not already one of the most enshittified and evil corps in the world - they always were !..

Don’t ever buy their products, or in any way support their controlled ecosystem…

I am in no way an Apple fan. I think their computers are fine but grossly over priced and their phones are ass. I would say compared to many other big tech companies, the enshittifying isn’t as bad. Those like Google and Microsoft for example. If I had a gun to my head and had to buy a new Windows laptop or Mac and not install Linux, I’m taking the Mac. That’s not a positive review for them, it’s an insult to Microsoft.

So take what I said and just assume it means that they are just getting worse faster, not that they good and going to get bad. That ship sailed long ago as you pointed out.

Grossly over priced compared to what though? I can’t find a comparable ARM SoC on any non-Apple laptops to even compare to and the first gen Apple chips are still trading blows with modern Intel and AMD Chips depending on use case. We’re now talking about the release of the 6th generation this year (though likely no Pro or Max chips this time).

I think they’re overpriced compared to most laptops. Being ARM doesn’t inherently make it more valuable. The newest cheap model is the first that I feel has been relatively fairly priced, but it still comes with less RAM than it should. “Grossly” may not be the best word, but I think they are overpriced based entirely on name recognition.

Like I said, I think their fine computers, just more expensive than they should be.

Surprise! The same company who bribed Trump with a bar of fucking gold. Fuck all big tech in the USA. They are a danger to humanity.

Deleted then. Goodbye

Woah wait. You deleted apple?

Seems like it. It’s not showing up on my end anymore?

I believe this era was already going with Tim Apple when he was already thoroughly sucking Donnie’s diaper blowout covered mushroom. His jaw was tired and now it’s this idiots turn

John ‘Epstein island is a beautiful holiday destination’ Ternus.

Was he involved? Didnt hear that

Who cares? He embraces Trump’s made-up bullshit, so let’s spread our own around: John Ternus is in the Epstein files.

This is just for Americans. From Americans. Americans are complaining. They are literally allowed to vote against this kind of behaviour.

On the Google article it was Google’s fault, on the Apple article it’s Apple’s fault. These are American companies run by American billionaires following American rules.

I feel like maybe the problem here is not Lake America, but America

Which federal or state law in the US commands them to rename Lake Ontario again? Please elaborate.

I suspect they use the official data source for place names for the US

I think you skipped past the whole “billionaires” part in your hurry to blame an entire country. This is just more class warfare

Please start by understanding that corporations have more power in the US than voters.

Yeah please read into the oil and gas industry. They covered up leaded gasoline.

Epstein

These are American companies run by American billionaires following American rules.

No, they’re not “American rules,” and they’re under zero obligation to comply

That spineless fucker. John apple is already fucking it up

They lost their mojo when Steve Apple passed away.

100%

My Apple Maps still says Lake Ontario.

Edit: Nevermind, when you zoom in it changes to Lake America.

I rarely ever use Apple Maps, I guess I’ll be using Wayz and Mapquest from now on.

CoMaps is an open source option

Waze also belongs to google and also uses GNIS data for place names in the US.

Still says Lake Ontario on my Apple Maps here in Europe and iOS even updated yesterday.

Yeh they are two faced bootlickers

I mean, that was kinda inevitable to be honest. Apple went with Gulf of America, now they’re going with Lake America. If Trump decided to rename Canada into America+ they’d probably go with it as well.

I’m much more interested in what having a hardware guy as their CEO will do to their products. Obviously he’s just as much of an AI sheep as anyone else in Silicon Valley right now but maybe at least we’ll get some interesting new hardware as well?

Eh. It should just keep its original name.

The whole thing kinda reminds me of Uluru, that still officially has both names… What did native americans call the Gulf of Mexico?

They really seem to want to shake me out as a customer. The union busting, the trump asslicking, and now this.

Well, happy to oblige. Already replaced my macbook air with a pallet unit lifebook, and have my sight on the new framework laptops for the trackpad haptics and general principle of serviceability, even at the premium. I was an apple customer, I was always willing to pay for the premium to get a more consistent, robust quality experience. Framework really saw the writing on the wall, and I love it. Finally there are starting to be actually valid options for running Linux with the qol of apple hardware besides asahi.

On phone frontier I have zero clue where to go, but this is really just sealing the deal of me dropping apple there too whenever this one breaks. Motorola seems promising though, we’ll see…

Ive got a Motorola Edge 2022 and the phone in general I have no gripes with. The battery could be a lot better with this model. Looking forward to new phone with Graphene if they actually do that right.

Man I love my Fairphone. I think it’s worth considering based on what I read of your ethics and tech proficiency

Yeah that’s a big one on the list definitely, thanks!

Same. I was feeling them out for the next gen, seeing if they were going to stick to this “privacy” tagline they keep banging on about but this isn’t a good sign.

This bodes well for them getting an exemption from the ban on Red Chinese RAM.

John Appleseedless

John Crabapple

And here I was looking at getting a new iPhone. Guess I’ll be switching to android.

EDIT: well fuck me sideways, night as well just get a dumbphone then.

Guess I’ll be switching to Android.

By all means, buy a device whose operating system is designed by an advertising company who also sucks Trump’s cock. After all, Google caved on this before Apple did.

You should open Google maps….

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Apple gave the president a gold iPhone. Surprised?

I’ve been using OsmAnd (uses OpenStreetMaps) on my iPhone and it’s been pretty great. Uninstalled Apple Maps so I don’t have to deal with this bullshit.

I’m always for more OSM usage especially as a (casual) OSM mapper but you’re a rube.

www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1206310

Why are they a rube?

Per the link in your screenshot OSM is following the standard of using the GNIS official name, while also keeping the displayed name as the common name until and if common usage on both sides of the border begins to reflect the official name in GNIS.

Precedent from the Gulf of Mexico/“Gulf of America” discussion as well as accepted OSM convention would suggest that once GNIS is updated (which it appears it is already), official_name:en-US=* should be added/changed to Lake America, but name=*left as is unless and until common usage on the ground on both sides of the border shifts to prefer the “Lake America” name (which seems very unlikely).

Note: emphasis is mine

I think you should look up the definition of “rube”.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

Use CoMaps folks. FOSS, offline, and supports privacy (which is why it is an offshoot of Organic Maps)

What is wrong with organic maps?

I like my maps with GMOs

Organic Maps itself is fine (which is what CoMaps is based from), the issue is the shareholders making money and not beimg transparent with the revenue.

From CoMaps themselves

CoMaps started to address the concerns and dissatisfaction within the Organic Maps community regarding governance, transparency, and the potential for shareholder profit at the expense of the community. The goal is to build a truly community-driven, transparent, and not-for-profit navigation app.

Great info, thank you!

I hope they get inundated with “reports” of an incorrect name. I mean they’ll ignore them but still…

As part of an attempt to research more single-use devices (as a way to help focus attention and reduce distractions), I recently learned that there are a variety of interesting e-ink tablets and phones sold by companies like Boox. I’m starting to realize that there are really compelling alternatives on the market that offer different kinds of value than Apple’s visionless product line.

l’ve postured in the past about replacing my Apple products, but for the fist time I’m starting to feel comfortable with the prospect of doing with really interesting and different devices. My iphone is still pretty new, but my ipad (which i use a lot) is probably due for retirement this year. This latest cowardice from Apple may have just pushed me put of the walled garden for good.

MapQuest app works perfectly fine. Just switched easy as pie.

Obligatory mention of CoMaps. Open source, as free, etc.

And same maps because they both use open street maps.