The Knight First Amendment Institute argued as amicus that searching expressive and associational content on phones demands a First Amendment warrant. The Second Circuit rejected that argument, holding that neither the Fourth nor the First Amendment carves out a special exemption for phones at the border.

Wow. Yeah… We all need shitty travel phones with very little on them now. That’s fucking gross.

Or don’t travel with a phone at all. Take a digital camera and use that for pictures.

Anything else, just buy a used phone at your destination and load all your accounts on that, then delete and reset your phone and sell it before you leave

Take a digital camera and use that for pictures.

They’ll search that too! Take an analog camera instead. At least that way you get the film developed for free ;).

If by “developed” you mean “opened and exposed to the light” then yes

use one that requires a dark room.

You realize these powers extend within 100 miles of any border?

Including waterways.

And airports

That’s like most of the populated areas

Two-thirds of the U.S. population lives within this 100-mile border enforcement zone, including cities like Washington D.C., San Francisco CA, Chicago IL, New Orleans LA, Boston MA, & more.

Doesn’t it also include international airports and waterways?

I don’t know, but if the 100 mile rule applies to international airports and waterways it would probably change that 2/3 of the population to something like 9/10.

Yes it does

The Second Circuit rejected that argument, holding that neither the Fourth nor the First Amendment carves out a special exemption for phones at the border.

The second circuit used the right argument but somehow came to the wrong conclusion. The 4th carves out no special exemption, meaning you need a warrant.

Task failed successfully?

Conservatives are pathological liars by nature. They re-invent the meanings of words to suit their immediate needs. Never trust a conservative. Never.

The Second Circuit rejected that argument, holding that neither the Fourth nor the First Amendment carves out a special exemption for phones at the border.

Could it be because the technology was still 250 fucking years away?

That was my question too…

We all need shitty travel phones with very little on them now.

Or don’t travel there.

I unfortunately live in this cesspool of a country

Looks like it’s time to carry a dummy phone with you if you decide to visit the US. Not really sure why any non-citizens would want to do that at this point though.

Interestingly, iOS 27 has a new “2 phones can share 1 number and you can swap between them” which didn’t seem to make a lot of sense.

What in the what now? Just between apple phones or with android or other OS? Guess I hafta go read…

cnet.com/…/iphone-handoff-one-number-two-phones/

But The Apple documentation (support.apple.com/en-us/127274) mentions that your iCloud gets synced between both devices, so now I’m confused what the purpose of this is

Dang, I had other ideas!

What you need:

Two devices running iOS 27 or later that are: Connected to Wi-Fi Sharing the same Apple Account Using Messages in iCloud to ensure messages sync Signed into FaceTime and iMessage with the same Apple Account An eSIM from a carrier that supports iPhone Handoff: USA: T-Mobile Germany: Telekom

It’s so you can buy more phones

Haven’t actually tried it but T-Mobile digits supposedly let’s you do what you seek.

New to me, thanks!

www.t-mobile.com/business/solutions/digits

it makes sense in the backdoor sense. esims. so now uncle sam can “be” that 2nd phone.

Uncle Sam could always be that 2nd phone, the network is ridiculously insecure. It’s so well-known, the spooks didn’t even stop Veritasium from making a video on it. Hell, it doesn’t take a state-level actor either, it takes a motivated individual and that’s pretty much all.

I’m not even sure why would they even need to see your phone.
All these idiots use cloud, just requesting data from iOS/google is sufficient in most cases. I think they don’t even have to ask, they gotta have direct api access.

if you decide to visit the US.

There is a lot more reasons not to do that than there are reasons to go there.

The decision includes citizens, anyone within 100 miles from an international airport, border, or national waterway.

I’m in Florida, which is a “stand your ground” state.

You can try that “no warrant” shit here, and you’re gonna get your fucking head blown off

See you in the Supreme Court, motherfuckers

“Border Agents”

You pulling a gun out at an airport is suicide.

Florida is a Border State. ICE do raids at other places including just randomly on the street because of the high population of Latinos and people from South America.

I don’t think you understand that what’s happening is they roll up on people in a van, grab them and don’t announce who or what they are. There’s video all over the Internet of this.

The article isn’t about ice. It specifically says airports

Border Agents are ICE.

Wrong again, dumbass.

Border patrol and ice are two separate agencies.

Dumbass. But continue saying stupid stupid things that are wrong. Go on…

I was not talking to you.

In the US, the boarder is considered anywhere within 100 miles of an international boarder. I.E. Oceans, Lakes that are adjacent to another country and the actual boarder with another country.

Ice agents can setup checkpoints anywhere within this area and search your phone. Since most Americans live near the coasts this “boarder area” covers an 90% of the population.

Nope. This came up a few weeks ago and I checked it very carefully before posting because I thought it was true and was trying to post a map of the border including the airports.

Border patrol can only work near airports.

The 100 mile range near any airport is a myth.

I never once mentioned “airport” in my post.

You may want to better educate yourself on this subject before responding.

ACLU 100 mile boarder zone

Are you hallucinating?

There was no border, and there was no airport.

Did you hallucinate that?

Get off the drugs, asshole

More like see you in the morgue. You could potentially take some fed with you but the state doesn’t like it when people challenge their monopoly on violence.

Ooo, big boy here with the tiny dick who doesn’t know the law.

Come up on my property, teeny weenie, and I’ll blow your head off too.

Heads up: they have more guns than you do, padre. And they will flatten you with a drone swarm before you can shoot anywhere near them. Your plan is 0 out of 10 for sound judgment.

I mean, he’s a idiot, but the fucking military isn’t drone striking citizens EVER.

If enough people got together with their 2nd amendment, it would carry a lot of weight.

Maybe call themselves a militia? Tossing it out there.

Tell that to Anwar al-Awlaki. US citizen, killed by drone strike.

Ok. The military isn’t drone striking citizens DOMESTICALLY ever.

Nah it’ll be some domestic policing agency. They’ve bombed Americans in the US before: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing

That I could see. There’s still a chain of command in the military where I believe there will be at least one person that can recognize unlawful orders and refuse.

But there’d be 10 others tripping over each other to relieve them.

Who said military? They’re deploying armed drones (nonlethal for now) in Florida schools, in case of mass shooters. ICE will want their own I’m sure.

newsweek.com/campus-guardian-angel-school-shootin…

Does enshittified US drone tech even work though? Are America’s drooling cops smart enough to even use them? I’m very sceptical because the US and similarly armed middle east allies seems to be helpless against guys with trucks and jetskis and Ukraine seems to be doing better since they’ve started sourcing drones from elsewhere.

I dunno, they talk a big game but I don’t don’t think they would be any more effective at home than they are abroad. Only problem is the Americans population in general is just as flacid and unmotivated as the dictatorship.

You’d probably blow an acl before you got a shot off

First of all: one tears an ACL, and second: I could shoot ya through a window while sitting in my living room. How in the hell am I gonna tear either of my ACLs while chilling on the couch?

Keep dreaming, buddy

Na, the medical term is “blow” an acl. Keep dreaming Dr Grey

My guy, I agree with you in spirit, but the law has been barely hanging on for a while now. The law won’t protect you from a bunch of SS neonazis with more funding than the fucking Marines when you shoot one. If you haven’t noticed, they’re a bunch of cowards who roll in packs and shoot people for just being too close to them.

You’ll bring one, maybe two with you if you’re quick or they’re lined up all nice, but that’s about it

Of course you live in Florida. Your other comments are all explained. How sad, to treat others the way you do when you get even the barest hint of push back. Does it make you feel less impotent, to call people “asshole” and “cunt” when they weren’t even being rude to you? (The mods have, sensibly, removed those comments, and they may feel free to do so to this one, should they feel that this violates community rules). To paraphrase what you said in a different comment I saw a minute ago: if you can’t take the heat, step away from the fire.

Quit treating other people like the sack of dirt you perceive yourself to be. Do better.

This is nothing new. I don’t agree with it but people are acting like this was rolled out yesterday. Unless we can reverse the supreme court ruling on it, nothing will prevent them from searching phones at airports or within 100 of borders.

This ruling was specific to people entering the country, if you aren’t entering the country they need a warrant still.

Yeah that makes sense. Wasn’t this the status quo anyway?

Just upload an encrypted tarball to a cloud service and retrieve it afterwards.

Yeah I should have added that they need a warrant IF you use a passcode. If you use biometrics they may fall into loopholes that they can search it. Essentially they pretty much own your body when arrested, but not your thoughts. So they can’t make you turn over the code without a warrant. Aka if you are going to get arrested turn off your phone. It makes complete sense that you would want to have battery when you got out of jail 8 hours later or I guess longer if they actually had a charge to pin on you. “Why did you turn off your phone” “to make sure I could call someone to pick me up after I get out or call a cab service”

unless they “mistakenly” think you are a foreigner.

If I’m going down for a meme then you can bet your ass I’ll be doing my best to sink my teeth into some throats like I’m Rick fuckin’ Grimes as soon as my phone is taken. In for a penny in for a pound.

One day I’d like to perform at Carnegie Hall…

Fuck ICE and fuck CBP.

Remember to turn off all biometrics for unlocking your phone, if not now, then at least when traveling internationally. They can scan your face or your fingerprint without a warrant. But they can’t compel you to provide potentially incriminating information including passwords, codes and patterns. Self-destruct codes will likely get you arrested for obstruction of justice and destruction of evidence though, so use those at your own risk. I wouldn’t recommend it.

Best to never keep anything you wouldn’t want a cop or fed seeing anywhere on your device. If you have any materials that you wish to keep private, store them elsewhere as much as possible. Either never store them on your device or regularly back them up somewhere secure and wipe your device clean. Make sure all remote access to those materials are behind secure encrypted password protected connections.

Remember, know the law so that you may follow it to its letter and no further. If you must comply, comply. If you can, don’t comply. Know your rights and practice them. Never volunteer information to law enforcement even if you’re innocent. You don’t know what they know, what they are wanting to hear, what can be misunderstood, confused or contorted to put you into trouble. Every day is shut the fuck up Friday. Nobody will protect you but you.

Or just don’t travel to North Korea, because we are talking about the fascist dictatorship of North Korea, right? No western democracy would do this.

Who’s gonna tell them?

traveling to actual north korea would likely be safer at this point

Finally some common sense comment on this topic.

My pin is eleven digits, a number I’ll never forget, and I enter it every time. No face ID for me.

Also, don’t call the cops unless getting arrested is better than whatever is happening. Because, they’ll use any excuse to arrest you no matter how innocent you think you are.

wipe your device clean

This will be seen as a red flag and get you a few nights-weeks stay in the Gulag.

I don’t mean wipe your device of all data. I mean wipe any of your sensitive data. Keep your texts to friends, photos of your daughter, apps and stuff.

I’d be cautious of keeping photos of your daughter on your phone with this administration.

My institution has a travel warning to the US.

We cannot cross the border by car, only in airports.

We cannot travel without a phone, with a burner, or with a wiped phone. We have to memorize our lawyer’s number when we are detained. We are told we have no rights and have to comply to any request, this means bend over. Fuck that. No more US travel.

Don’t blame you. Shits fucked.

Refusing to unlock your properly secured device for them will result in its confiscation and perhaps your detention.

Password managers and browser history are sticking points. You could not use your device for anything, but one of your services might rat you out.

You kinda need a travel phone.

If you’re a us citizen, they cannot detain you indefinitely. What that means isn’t legally defined yet, but seems to be around 4 - 8 hours.

Edit: apparently no longer true.

CPB statement

OFO may hold U.S. citizens in custody in certain situations, such as suspicion of or a determination of violating U.S. law, pending transfer to another law enforcement agency on an extraditable warrant, or if accompanying a family member being processed for appropriate immigration proceedings. Available data indicate that OFO held U.S. citizens longer than 24 hours on 562 occasions from October 1, 2019, through April 30, 2021.

And that’s 2021 before things started getting hot.

Thanks for that correction.

How long until they’re caught planting fake data on phones to arrest people they don’t like though?

That kind of thing has been happening since the 90s.

I don’t know how a self-destruct code will work, but if you have password A get into profile A, while password B gets you into a plausibly looking and normal profile B while profile A and password A get deleted, then you can claim your phone was always and ever the way profile B shows it. It doesn’t look or feel “destroyed.” It’s just a normal profile with mundane messages, browsing history, contact list that makes sense, etc.

Good luck proving that anything fishy happened when the whole operation looks and feels like unlocking a normal phone.

You can even setup biometric login to be password B. So if someone gets into your phone with a fingerprint, which feels very normal, they see a normal boring and completely plausible profile.

There is absolutely a way to make phones secure if there is enough will.

That said, it’s a political problem that’s begging for a political rather than a tech solution.

Ok, so not entering the country i will.

The pile of reasons to not visit the USA grows daily.

The pic shows that tiny little guy with the big nazi coat. I thought the tiny little guy with the big nazi coat got fired.

Lol of course not. If you have a big Nazi coat you just get put on paid leave for a little time out, then you get your shiny job right back.

This will really fix that lost tourism problem.

I don’t get it

Also, is this a new sfm video? Is he posting new ones? I don’t recognize it.

At 20 (5+9+6), the Ace turns into a 1. You win the hand at 21.

By asking for another hit, you’re going bust on purpose. Anything over 21 is an automatic loss.

Ohhh. I miscounted by one.

As a us citiczen I’m more and more looking at my phone as a hostile device. I have Graphene on one phone and an iPhone, but with how things are going these days who knows how secure these devices really are. Apple iOS is a black box. Android is not much better, and they’re now faster than laptops and most desktops. They can be running and recording and reporting anything and still sip battery life. I’ve since deleted social media apps outside of lemmy and HN. I use my little e-reader more than my phone. All my personal stuff is in encrypted cloud that is not iCloud, I don’t use biometrics to unlock it. But I still don’t trust it. I’m beginning to think carrying it in a foil bag until I need it is a good idea.

I agree, it’s not a tool, it’s a compromised and dangerous device and I have to carry it with me carefully. I have always turned off my location from time to time and carefully managed permissions, but nowadays here’s what I do:

• Graphene
• no biometric login
• no stale data on the device. If I won’t need it while I am mobile, does it need to be on my phone?
• location off, BT off, and airplane mode when going into grocery stores or any surveillance a happy retailer.
• factory wipe or alternate phone before traveling internationally, especially to countries with questionable rule of law, including my own
• minimal non-FOSS apps (getting less every time I redo the phone)
• any app that has a usable web portal or can be accessed on desktop only (Facebook, reddit) does not get installed.
• no pairing with cars or other BT devices that are known to be sketchy.

If I controlled the software on a deeper level, I would set it up to have a toggle where it will only connect to the cell network every 30-60 minutes. There is little in my life that is more important than a half hour response time, so why am I continuously broadcasting my triangulated location? I would have that toggle turned on 90% of the time.

This is what happens when you allow conservatives (fascists) to have control.

This is why it is your responsibility (duty) to do whatever is most likely to prevent that from happening.

Is this part of their tourism strategy?

I believe they are hunting tourist and working on the commercialization thereof.

Are those directing ICE also involved in human trafficking?

I’d imagine that would be a pretty safe bet, but I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

Are they involved in anything else?

Not if I never travel to that shithole country again.

When traveling, carry a flip phone and a digital camera.

Got it.

It would be so easy for me to laugh this off and say, “duh just don’t go to the third world country that is the USA,” but anything they do will spread to other parts of the world.

Maybe wipe an old phone and just have signal to communicate with family until I cross the border? I wouldn’t even mind paying a few bucks to make a new signal account without a phone number.

To all of you yanks, you should start rethinking your anthem, land of the free my ass

Never has been so long as conscription exists