How can you work in the surveillance business with the name “Langley”?

/SCNR

Normative Determinism.

Nominative determinism unless you wanna be where everybody knows your name.

The tab will remain unpaid Sam.

I don’t see what this has to do with NAHM

It’s okay, he has nothing to hide, right?

Yeah

They’re coming for you, Langley

But much better to identify the people who work for him, the vulnerable ones who aren’t rich and thrive in the shadows of these monsters.

Por que no los dos

“Backers of the technology say it helps solve crimes”

Should be easy to list the crimes it’s solved, where’s that list?

shh, those are super secret political crimes

“critics of the technology say it violates their right to privacy”

Fuckin fixed that real quick. Am I a journalist yet

Back up to even having that be a point. We could solve a lot of crimes if everyone’s phone reported our location and recorded our voices for the police. We could solve a lot of crimes if the cops put cams in everyone’s house. Why don’t we do this? The constitution. I don’t care of Flock solves 100k crimes a year, it’s unconstitutional so it’s not an option.

100

oh nooooooo how terrible! xD

He should just point a flock camera at his house. Then he’ll be 80% safer based on a study I just made up like the ones on their sales pitch.

Even better, a group should cut down several dozen of them and mount them all on poles outside his house during the night, so that he wakes up to them in the morning. No vandalism, no violence, no threats, just a blunt statement that the media couldn’t possibly ignore.

Heck, no need to even risk collecting that many real ones. I hear there’s some fairly decent 3D printed fakes available.

a group should cut down several dozen of them

No vandalism

😐

E: LOL downvotes for facts, I guess

The vandalism was putting them up in the first place.

Vandalism as a public service

Technically not theft. Technically not vandalism.

“Vandalism refers to the intentional destruction or defacement of property”

They relocated the item to its owners house. At best the cutting might be vandalism but you don’t have to cut them down. That just happens to be quicker.

It is 100% vandalism, in every sense. I support it, but there’s no rationalizing it as anything else.

Nice downvote.

You didn’t look up the legal definition of anything before you posted this nonsense. Have a good day.

Nonsense? You just posted a definition that describes this activity exactly…?

No. I did not. Relocation of the asset to the owners property means there’s no intent to deprive the owner of said property which means that it’s not theft.

The property has not been defaced, damaged, or destroyed so that means there’s no intent of vandalism. Therefore vandalism did not take place.

What you’re describing is criminal mischief, which I would agree this is.

I made a singular allowance in the case that the pole was cut (which counts as damage), rather than being dug up (which wouldn’t), which you appear to have ignored.

If you don’t like facts, that is a you problem.

You are welcome to kagi or whatever this yourself to see what I’m talking about instead of doubling down.

If you are incapable of that, don’t bother to respond to me.

The property has been damaged, as you need to cut them down. If you manage to move the whole thing without cutting the pole you’d have a point.

(i did read your whole comment, we were literally talking about cutting down a pole)

If you manage to move the whole thing without cutting the pole you’d have a point.

I still don’t think they actually would. I don’t know who upvotes that shit, it’s just wishful thinking.

For one, the CEO of a company doesn’t personally own the property of their company. That’s not how that works.

This is like saying you’d get away with moving a Verizon cell tower to the front yard of the CEO of Verizon. It’s nonsense.

They’re not saying you would get away with it, just that it isn’t technically vandalism but a different crime.

Good luck finding a lawyer who agrees

You absolutely can move the thing without cutting it down. It just happens to be quicker to cut them down and most of the people doing this don’t care about the charge.

But I do take your meaning and to some extent even agree with it.

Yeah that’s not how that works.

For one, the CEO of flock doesn’t personally own all of the infrastructure used by the company that they run. That’s not how it works. It doesn’t matter if you damaged the thing or not.

It’s like saying you could move a Verizon cell tower to the front yard of the CEO of Verizon. That’s stupid.

No lawyer would ever attempt such a stupid and ridiculous defense.

Reading comprehension doesn’t seem to be your strong suit.

A lawyer worth their salt should absolutely defend you against a vandalism charge if by the lawful definition no vandalism took place.

Not only that, but a lawyer’s job is to make sure the law is followed during legal proceedings. Meaning they are supposed to defend your right to a lawfully handled trial which would include dismissing charges that didn’t fit the crime committed.

This is criminal mischief. That’s a misdemeanor (just like vandalism).

Theft involves legally speaking an “intent to deprive the owner of their property”.

Flock owns the cameras. It’s a subscription model where the municipality actually leases the camera and “retains ownership” of the footage/data the collect.

So by rights the CEO having them dropped off on his property could be considered the same as them being returned to the owner.

You can take that however you want. But vandalism has a specific legal definition.

I made a singular allowance in the case that the pole was cut… which you appear to have ignored.

I didn’t ignore it, it just makes absolutely no sense. What is an “allowance”? The property is damaged, thus vandalism.

If you don’t like facts, that is a you problem.

When the law doesn't follow the law, laws are irrelevant.

You would make a terrible lawyer.

You probably think Hillary Clinton, John Yoo, Ty Cobbs, Dick Harpootlian are great lawyers.

Heck, no need to even risk collecting that many real ones. I hear there’s some fairly decent 3D printed fakes available.

But what if we had a little violence and vandalism as a treat?

Then you provide the enemy with ammunition.

They claim that the purpose of the cameras is to prevent crime, and that the people who oppose them are violent extremists. They’ve even tried to label deflock.me as a terrorist organization.

Don’t provide the enemy with ammunition.

To be realistic, they don’t need ammunition. They just make it up anyways. It’s not about being civil and cordial anymore. Points have to be made.

“Not giving them ammunition” means getting ignored. We can’t afford to be ignored anymore. Shit is urgent. The Epstein class needs to be afraid or we wait until they build the technology and infrastructure that allows them to completely ignore our needs/demands forever.

Especially when the right is also mad about the tech. Strike while the iron is hot. Now is the time to act, not just have discussions. And I don’t mean violence, but let them know that card is on the table otherwise we the people will continue being ignored.

Always bothers me when people act like there is zero political violence. They are shooting us in the fucking street on film. Shits over.

Also your username is fuckin wild lol

You made me look at their username. I hate you.

That’s on you playa, curiosity killed the cat

Satisfaction brought it back

I betcha if they set them up in his rich people neighborhood they wouldn‘t last for 2 days because someone with more money than him made a phone call.

He would be making that call. This rat roach fuck knows exactly what he is doing, do not give him an out.

I love this. They are solar powered so everything would work. All you need is a post hole digger to build a little flock forest.

Ooh, yes someone should do this not on any particular person’s property but as an avantgarde public art installation. Not with actual Flock cameras but just some replicas. Pop it up in a couple different cities around the world.

You are onto something. What if we just 3d print a bunch of fake cameras, wear a reflective vest, and install them in your nearby rich neighborhoods?

“Little brother is watching you!”

heads on spikes you say? i hope those models don’t look like billionaires…just kidding

Would be a shame if someone created a network of cameras tracking his every move and posted it online for free in real time. Nothing illegal about that, right? No implicit threat in that, right?

Postcards have lower postage rates than regular letters.
Also harder to ignore a card that just says 'fuck you' on it in sharpie.
For more fun: imitate the vibes of the local utility bill in a letter but fit a lot more fuck yous inside

There’s no way in hell this guy is handling those bills himself. If it isn’t on auto-pay, he has people who handle the housework I’m sure. If he doesn’t then fuck him even harder. He’s fucking all of us, and he’s not even making insane amounts of money from it.

Well that’s a lol and a half

You live by the sword, you die by the sword, dickhead.

What was the name of the competitor with the more hidden cameras again?

I believe it was Axon.

dailycaller.com/…/axon-lightpole-ubicquia-flock-s…

Point an Axon camera at Flock CEO’s house and let him see how that feels.

Just for safety.

Never stop the smash.

concerns over privacy and potential police misuse.

Couldn’t even go one sentence without propaganda. It’s very well documented that it is ACTIVELY being misused. Concerns is their “allegedly” to escape libel allegations, this was a choice.

I’ll say this as many times as it takes. NEWSWEEK ISNT FUCKING NEWS. IT IS A TABLOID. IT IS LESS THAN NOTHING. STOP FUCKING POSTING IT AND GIVING THESE GHOULS MONEY.

Thinking we need a shareable list of good alternatives we can share to other people.

Anyone got some good independent news sources we can share and use?

Just made this post after doing this, hope it’s acted on.

vger.to/sh.itjust.works/post/65820322

If anyone wants to help, please engage that post in hopes that the development team acts on it.

There’s a community focused on independent journalism that might interest y’all !Independent_Media@lemmy.today

Are they calling for a mustached Italian plumber?

This is public information see https://ecorp.sos.ga.gov/BusinessSearch/BusinessInformation
Search for flock group and you will get the address.

Edit: It’s an office address

Only a couple hours from me. Isn’t this a business/office address though?

After checking it is a buisness office but honestly no one or no entity should be doing buisness or accomodating thein offices

He just needs to compromise on his privacy.

Good. Very good. I hope he feels true fear. I hope he gets what is deserved.

Let’s start a car tracker log for him like that one person did for elons planes.

‘If he’s done nothing wrong there’s nothing to hide’

He took the risk of pissing off the masses for profit. And it looks that he now faces the consequences.

Folks should show up at the edge of his property with lawn chairs and coolers and just “hang out”. Don’t speak to him or threaten him in anyway, just sit there and Document everything he does. When he complains tell him it’s for his safety and he should thank them.

And bring lots of cameras, filming the house from all angles

That would actually be hilarious im ngl to u

You’d need to get the attention of MAGA on this if you wanted people to do stuff IRL

They’d drive a convoy around his block blasting Metallica for a week after coordinating with their friends in the police and bringing donuts to local tow companies. Maybe if you’re lucky someone on the left will flyer a coffee shop in Chicago.

The fucking delicious irony.

Hate to tell ya’ll but it’s highly unlikely the CEO of Flock lives in that house. It’s either misinformation or a honeypot. You don’t sell out your country and live in a house on a plot of land that small and without armed security.

It’s entirely possible. People rarely think bad things will happen to them.

if it wasn’t his address we would have already heard that it wasn’t.

If it’s in Texas or Florida, it’s probably just a phony residence, so he doesn’t have to pay state taxes.

It’s Atlanta, Georgia in a very modest burb on a very small plot of land. 100% not where he is living.

these people always look like out of touch assholes lol.

i doubt we have even one working class person left in a position of power.

even the last name langley is telling. i went to american public schools and you’d rarely if ever encounter anyone with a unique last name unless they were hella ethnic, even if that meant french canadian or italian.

the rise of the nepo baby last name.

Nothing wrong with instilling a little bit of healthy fear in the rich and powerful.

should start bringing all the flock cameras and drop them off in his driveway.

just imagine a pile of cameras on pipes like this in his front yard.

"We announced changes that required auditing, that required using our audit assistance tool, which detects abnormal behavior, and we’re calling on state regulators to focus less on banning this type of technology and more [on] holding our law enforcement community accountable.”

This is absolutely passing the buck. “The collection of your data isn’t wrong, it’s just the myriad ways it can be abused. We want to play whack-a-mole for every problem; as unelected corporate policy that totally isn’t purely profit driven.”

Not-a-lawyer, but I’m quite sure I haven’t signed any TOS allowing Flock to capture or retain my data for any amount of time. Just by driving through a city where some other idiot signed away my rights probably shouldn’t hold up in court.

Legislation should be prioritizing punishing misuse of PII, expanding what PII means in our modern world, and enforcing information sharing barriers instead of eroding them.

If you can tell exactly where I was yesterday at 2:35pm because my car’s internal spyware pinged, my cellphone pinged, I drove past a few ALPR cameras and my credit card was used at a vendor, all without a warrant; then the related data is PII and needs to be protected in a way it isn’t currently.

Corporations should not have data-sharing agreements with governments and should not be allowed to sell their user data to third parties at all.

I work for a city that installed flock cameras. Their salesman insisted it was just license plate identification and nothing else when making the pitch to City Council.

The new city manager and I recently read through our “contract” with them. It’s a hyperlink to their TOS on their website. We have nothing in writing and they can change the terms any time they want.

I expect Council to have them removed soon.

“holding our law enforcement community accountable”.

lol can’t even bootlick properly. He probably thought this would earn him some points from the left but all it will achieve is major hate from right. Law enforcement may soon be looking the other way when someone reports a flock camera being taken down.

Not-a-lawyer, but I’m quite sure I haven’t signed any TOS allowing Flock to capture or retain my data for any amount of time. Just by driving through a city where some other idiot signed away my rights probably shouldn’t hold up in court.

Also not a lawyer, but once a journalist, and one thing we were made aware of in college was that streets were public property, and anything done on them (or even done from the view of them - e.g., in your house but visible from the street*) was considered public. So unfortunately even if the city hadn’t signed it, if someone recorded you on the street doing it, they could keep it on their servers and/or publish it to the world without worry.

* - I meant to ask but never found out if this meant getting drunk in your house in view of the street is public drunkenness.

Well well well…

I hope he never has another moment of peace in his entire life until Flock is abolished. Even then…

Oh, no, he’s proven who he is at his core. He doesn’t deserve a second of peace for the rest of his life.

Quite a campaign to quietly install these all over the country, use free pilot programs, kept the cost low enough to not need city council vote after public discussions and hide in tech costs, so the fuss happens after they wasted all this money. Talk about fraud and scamming the public out of tax money, and used against the public and w/o our actual consent. They’re supposed to serve and work for We The People, but used multiple methods to lie and hide it from us. Doing the wrong thing has to be hidden, not honest things.

What’s the problem? I thought privacy was a small price to pay for “safety?”

Sounds like that Kirk guy on guns.

Now I’m waiting for Langley to cop a camera to the neck.

I just realized that the guy selling all of these surveillance cameras has the same name as the CIA headquarters. The writers of this reality are too damn lazy.

They may be closely or distantly related.

Now people should take care of his safety

Dude fuck that guy

Massive criminal

Personally, I wouldnt fuck him with somebody else’s dick.

Not even that metal strap-on from the movie Seven ?

There’s the exception that proves the rule.

Checking, checking…yep, he’s on The List.

He’s cool with stealing all of our data, and making us feel helpless about what others are doing with it, so I don’t see why he shouldn’t feel that same fear.

Just keeping him safe. Maybe keeping the neighbors safe. Need to see if there’s a blue dot on his house.

Doesn’t having more privacy make you feel more safe? Not the other way around?

Maybe put up some cameras all around his house and social life and broadcast it while at it

Its almost like privacy is a good thing.

Hope nothing bad happens to you. Surely not. Flock cameras make everything safer right?

May he have many eyes on him

I wanna see too

Under his eye? Or under our eye?

Our eye. For security purposes.

This is a periodic reminder. I’m on mobile so I’m copying a previous comment.

Flock Safety is only the tip of the problem.

Some districts are de-Flocking only to install an Axon ALPR network service. Keep fighting until your community outlaws all ALPRs and ALPR lookups are inadmissable in court.

There are other technologies that are already in use and widely abused by law enforcement such as IMSI catchers, geofence warrants and Drones as First Responder. Learn what your district allows and be a civil nuisance untill that shit is blocked.

Judges have long ceased tightly constraining judicial warrants, and most courts accept the good faith exception, so US and state courts cannot be trusted with any overreaching surveillance technology or forensic tools. This includes chromatic field drug tests and detection dogs.

Now do Axon

What shit headline. Property ownership was always public record. His address was shared forever by the county assessor. Like everyone’s.

Famous people and CEOs typically buy their houses through shell companies and rent to themselves for this exact reason.

So… What’s his address?

Edit:

2588 Winslow Dr Ne, Atlanta, GA 30305, USA

Does he now get to doxx you? Is that how it works?

No

Does he feel unsafe? Just put up a Flock camera on your house, Garrett! So we can all be sure that you are as safe as a bug all snug in a rug.

Was about to say the same thing: aren’t Americans supposed to accept a trade-off between security and privacy? He’s a public figure, he should get total security with cameras everywhere around his house, and their feed should be public so that his security is crowd-managed!

Lots of information about people is online.

…Does he have something to hide?

Oh no, won’t somebody think of his privacy

Btw in a completely unrelated train of thought, have you guys seen the low low prices on poo flinging trebuchets?

It’s fun, easy, and highly educational to build your own!

Is fresh and steamy an upgrade? Or liquid?

I believe that you may be thinking of the newest development in the field of Advanced Manure Delivery: The Super Flamer 3000.

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Look out for our TV commercials, we’ve spared no expense. We’ve got Aaron Paul to reprise his character Jesse Pinkman, in order to record our new slogan: “shits on fire yo!”

If the concept sounds appealing we also offer the SF4000x pro, which applies AI and vision technology, to target individual undesired plants with directed high speed streams of fire.

…

Ok that was actually pretty rewarding to write. I had the concept bouncing around for hours. But oh boy, imagine being killed with a pig piss fueled flamethrower, I’ve got several other ways of dieing that I’d prefer.

Dude also has his house blurred out on Google Maps street view.

Someone needs to go take photos of his house and and post them.

*Livestream it

This is a thing? How many zeroes to your net worth do you have to be to obtain this opt, or is this readily available to the masses?

Fairly sure you can “opt out” from being shown if you live at an address and fill out some form. I think it’s available, but not exactly advertised or promoted as an option.

I’ve seen random neighborhoods where 1 or 2 houses will randomly be blurred out.

Keep track of his every move just so we know he isn’t breaking the law

This dude is so screwed. I don’t think he even realizes yet.

That’s why they get paid the money they get paid.

Time to get their money’s worth (?)

You can’t earn so much money just to expect the responsibility won’t catch up with you. This one is a social responsibility for the impact caused.

If he wanted a low profile, no risk job, he could always opt to not become an executive in the first place.