nah, it’s a dumb policy which will be impossible to maintain in the years to come.

Maybe in the years to come but the shit code flood gates are open now when the tech isn’t good enough for the job.

Of that comes to pass, they can change it.

The codegen is a particularly big problem for famous open source projects. All of a sudden you have a flood of people trying to get their name on your project and flooding you with low quality stuff. Codegen enables folks without good ideas to generate submissions that demand a lot of review. Being about to shoot down obviously AI content without deeper review is pretty critical to keep the project viable. There may be good things tossed out with the bathwater, but it is a ton of bathwater. Besides, if there’s something real behind it, a good human is likely to emerge to take it forward more credibly.

Closed source or personal projects can enjoy a bit more judgement. You can evaluate the people independent of the submissions and may be able to have an even more nuanced take.

That’s fair :)

Interesting policy… I suspect it falls apart in the details though. Like, there are plenty of creative elements in responding to questions (and any of the other categories). That mean there will be lots of weird edge cases that are hard to adjudicate. And those GenAI components of “non-creative” categories will have ripple effects into the broader project and community (as they are everywhere, so maybe not that important for a.policy to grapple with, IDK).

Yeah in theory I could have a model suggest code through a PR and then review said PR and just be the one to hit squash and merge and it technically only suggested and reviewed and I “created” the PR

But if you actually described this methodology in your PR, then it’d no doubt be closed immediately, based on the spirit of the rules rather than the exact letter of the rules.

Rules like these ultimately presuppose that the contributor is acting in good faith. Because otherwise the contributor could just lie about using an LLM. They don’t need to engage in rules-lawyering or jump through hoops to circumvent the rules

Rules like these ultimately presuppose that the contributor is acting in good faith.

All of civilization is based on that.

Yes, and even the less honest contributor would need to manually review and modify most generated blocks to pass a sniff test. The same has always been true of “found” source code.

That is, even contributors who read the policy as “don’t get caught” still have to meet the same de facto standards, which to a maintainer is a satisfactory result.

Example: I block illegal websites on my network, not because I care whether my roommates or their friends access illegal websites, but to require they practice proper hygiene (i.e., they need a VPN and encrypted DNS to circumvent) so we don’t amass love letters from our ISP.

Projects that don’t prohibit LLM-generated code expose themselves to greater liabilities than mere low-quality contributions.

That mean there will be lots of weird edge cases that are hard to adjudicate.

Humans a pretty decent at that. Source: Of all things, moderation, where even if you have nice rules written up, it feels like half the reports are edge cases and you just have to make a call.

I suspect they’ll be able to handle making those calls. Get some wrong, get most right, that’s probably good enough.

It’s not like it is a legally binding agreement that needs a high level of quality in adjucation. If things seem off then it can be cited and you don’t have to prove it. Conversely, if something passes human review despite being codegen, well then I guess the codegen isn’t that bad

I’ve seen a pull request that was ultimately nonsensical but plausible and short, and purported to be needed in a configuration none of the maintainers had access to. It was a pretty harmless change either way so they were inclined to accept it. But they sought a little clarification and the clearly LLM response in comment got it shut down. No human stepped up to actually explain an understanding and the LLM sounded like a TV show writer writing tech, sentences that sounded credible but to anyone with understanding was nonsensical bullshit.

LLM code can sometimes be hard to tell in a short code change, but the prose when things are anything vaguely needing explanation is just so very very obvious.

“refine” vs “create” is already a super grey area

Agreed… although this still leaves the horrible environmental effects and losing any kind of ownership ofethe code

But solely in terms of using “ai” as a tool, it is a sensible approach