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Jaguar Type 01 debuts; now, no one remembers the electric Ferrari

The Type 01 is the first model to arrive from Jaguar’s rebirth. The British carmaker was an early entrant to the modern EV market with the 2017 I-Pace, which was fun to drive even if it was too small inside and perhaps completely unreliable. An all-electric sedan was supposed to be next, but a year from the showroom, it was abruptly canceled, leaving the automaker with nothing to sell as old models like the F-Pace ceased production.

“The jag, it looks like a car you’d steal in Cyberpunk 2077,” said one Ars staffer approvingly. Credit: Jaguar

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Replying to @⁨realitista@lemmus.org⁩

What I really meant is the total weight of the car.

EVs weight too much for anything other than drag racing. They are way to heavy for turning and even something simple like a speed bump feel like a violent pothole.

We still don’t have an EV that can be as fun to drive as a Miata.

CATL is said to be developing a 12,000 Wh/Kg battery which is about the same as gasoline. That would make a real EV supercar that would rival a Porsche 911 or a Ferrari.

Replying to @⁨rafoix@lemmy.zip⁩

You’re all over the place. Are you talking about performance or price? Porsche has created a track monster in the Taycan Turbo GT, setting impressive times in established tracks (Laguna Seca, Nurburgring), much faster than most ICE supercars. Plus I guess it holds the bizarre title of fastest production 4-door around those tracks (despite having no rear seat), EV or ICE.

But if we’re talking about actual track performance, which you brought up first, there are EVs at the top that can hang with ICE supercars. Yes, they can also drag race. The other stuff you’re saying about “fun” is different (it’s more fun to drive a manual transmission, but at this point manuals are slower), and talk of resale value is entirely different.

Replying to @⁨rafoix@lemmy.zip⁩

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You are just moving the goal posts with every post, thinking you have a valid point each time.

You: EVs have bad power to weight ratios.

Reply: EVs have a better power to weight ratio than ICE.

You: Oh, I meant weight only. They can only do drag racing and can’t do turns.

Reply: EVs perform better than ICE at similar price points on road tracks with turns.

You: Oh, I meant only the high end EVs. They aren’t any better than the cheaper EVs.

Reply: High end Porsche EV is faster than most ICE super cars and much faster than cheaper EVs.

You: Oh, but Porsche EVs have bad resale value.

Just accept that you are wrong.

Replying to @⁨rafoix@lemmy.zip⁩

There’s some truth to this, and we probably will never have the energy density of batteries that gasoline has, but EV’s do have the advantage of having all their weight in the bottom of the car, so they tend to handle a lot better than you’d expect from the weight. Anything you lose on the corners you make up in the straights.

For example, the Tesla Model S Plaid ($89,990) set a 1:27.78 lap time at Willow Springs (Big Willow), beating the BMW M5 CS ($142,000) at 1:28.76 by 0.98 seconds.

Replying to @⁨pycorax@lemmy.world⁩

They more or less just look like any other regular ICE car.

ice cars are how they are because they basically need to be. I’m an anti car but I’m glad EVs are throwing that shitty design criteria out the window and experimenting.

Chinese cars are how they are because that’s what the biggest car market on the planet wants.

if you want something that is boring and uninspiring, Toyota has your back

I can neither afford nor need one if these but id get one :)

Hyundai’s new V model as well

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Replying to @⁨pycorax@lemmy.world⁩

I wouldn’t call them beautiful, but yes they are at least passable (except the older ioniq 6’s- don’t like the looks of them). I mean the best of them like the Mazda simply look like average ICE sedans. But it’s sad to see so many manufacturers with track records of making beautiful cars like Audi, Ferrari, and now Jaguar pumping out completely fugly EV’s. I just don’t get it. This is one area Tesla did pretty well. Pity Elon owns it. The one cheaper EV I actually like the looks of is the Smart #1, specifically the grey and red Brabus edition.

Replying to @⁨new_otters_raft@piefed.ca⁩

Ugh, I thought we were getting over this already.

The interior is fine, I can appreciate the clean lines and overall minimal ornamentation. White is probably a bad choice for a car that any real human is going to use.

But a touchscreen for the interior controls? Really? Is it 2015 again? Physical buttons are better. I would even go so far as to say they’re necessary for any controls that a driver might operate while driving - they should be findable by feel only, in the dark, while your eyes are on the road. A luxury vehicle design should certainly have physical controls, even if they’re tucked behind one of these panels to preserve the look of the interior:

That thing that looks like a phone bolted onto the center spine is just ugly. It sticks out from the rest of the interior design like a flashing neon sign of cost-cutting. It looks like a POS terminal, like I’m about to pay for my coffee:

What a bad decision, or probably chain of bad decisions made through several committee meetings.

Replying to @⁨FireWire400@lemmy.world⁩

Product people are being pushed out of leadership to make room for soulless MBAs. It is happening in every industry now that oligopoly guarantees returns and better products are no longer needed.

Edit: This is the LUXURY market. People buy luxury items not because they are COST EFFECTIVE but because they are AWESOME. Old school luxury car designers (ie product people) would sooner kill themselves than put their names on this bland shit.

Replying to @⁨schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works⁩

I mean the reason they use the screens is more a cost thing.

LG and Samsung are pumping out millions of touch screens a year. The cost for a single screen is less than 100 bucks and it’s off the shelf. The alternative is spinning up or contacting production lines for those buttons or knobs each requiring design and QC and of course production.

The screens are just so so much cheaper.

Replying to @⁨NaibofTabr@infosec.pub⁩

White is probably a bad choice for a car that any real human is going to use.

It looks more like beige.

I drove an Audi A4 with light grey / silver fabric interior for 15 years. It was 18 years when I sold it and still looked mostly like new. Only the drivers seat had a few slightly darker spots that I could likely have cleaned with a wet-dry vacuum cleaner.

I didn’t have kids in the car during that time, though. But I guess neither would whoever drives Jaguar.