posted in Fediverse
We can do it again
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Daniel Lakeland @dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org
Fediverse, the social media system for 40+ year old people who built the world wide web and regret it.
Oct 01, 2026, 11:32 PM
posted in Fediverse
We can do it again
Mastodon toot:
Daniel Lakeland @dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org
Fediverse, the social media system for 40+ year old people who built the world wide web and regret it.
Oct 01, 2026, 11:32 PM
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Accurate.
Replying to @Kolanaki@pawb.social
Ditto
Replying to @BuckFutter@timeyak.com
Team sport 😬
Replying to @TeamSports_or_CuckPorn@lemmy.world
Uhhh Go Team !!! (insert hey mickey gif) lol
Go Sports!
Replying to @TeamSports_or_CuckPorn@lemmy.world
I’m going with cuck porn on this one
Replying to @TeamSports_or_CuckPorn@lemmy.world
🥦😎
But not too big a team, it gets ruined once you get too big
Replying to @BuckFutter@timeyak.com
Ditto.
sensual pottery scene
Replying to @RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
Hahaha
sensual pottery scene
Would that be a male or female version?
Replying to @Kolanaki@pawb.social
I winced.
Replying to @Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de
Is your back giving you trouble, too?
Replying to @Kolanaki@pawb.social
I’m 39 and 3 months, thankyouverymuch, so I DO NOT fit the demographic!
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Replying to @Kolanaki@pawb.social
not accurate
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
You rang?
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
There are some lost kids wandering around complaining about their moms…
I dunno how they found it into here.
Replying to @marcos@lemmy.world
complaining about their +70 year old mom
Replying to @expatriado@lemmy.world
Oh I can do that, this woman sits in her chair all day watching right wing youtube and complaining about her failing health. God forbid she take a walk or get a hobby!
you leave my muddah out ’o this!
Replying to @marcos@lemmy.world
The great thing about the Internet is that people can just find stuff, often by accident.
Replying to @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
Well, people used to be able to do that. Nowadays, IDK…
Replying to @marcos@lemmy.world
I accidentally stumbled upon the Wikipedia article about Sad Clowns when I was looking for that picture of the happy/sad face from theater.
I have mixed feelings about what I read today. :|
Replying to @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
The primary issue is: not anymore.
Replying to @marcos@lemmy.world
I found myself in comparable spaces for the time too. Spend enough time online and you hear about things.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Not 40, but also don’t want my thoughts and comments to be an income stream for a for-profit organization, whether that be by selling my data for profit, training an LLM with my data, or contributing to an inescapable network effect that can be increasingly monetized by various means.
The modern social media platform is not designed to foster positive interactions, but rather to maximize shareholder value.
Replying to @Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz
also don’t want my thoughts and comments to be an income stream for a for-profit organization
I mean, you’re fooling yourself if you don’t believe Lemmy has been scrapped by a thousand crawlers by now.
I’m more paranoid about how many accounts are bots than about some data aggregator getting my dumbshit hot takes as training data.
Replying to @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
I mean, you’re fooling yourself if you don’t believe Lemmy has been scrapped by a thousand crawlers by now.
That’s why we’re here. To fu k with the scrapers and poison the training 🙃
Replying to @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
Equal access for all is still better than one company controlling access to my content for the purposes of monetization.
Dw, the corpos are using bots to scrape and categorize your thoughts and comments anyway.
Replying to @CheesyFingers@piefed.social
They will be able to interact with a nearly identical fully formed person, at any point of development for them, who they can make and unmake at a whim, modify, and so on. While they leave the real people to just die.
don’t want my thoughts and comments to be an income stream for a for-profit organization
(…)
The modern social media platform is not designed to foster positive interactions, but rather to maximize shareholder value.
This is so much more important than whatever elitism OOP implies.
I’m also not 40 btw.
Replying to @Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz
Coming here for discussion and meme dopamine, Lemmy still has that intact. Reddit has killed it with bots, ads, and some heavy duty corporate lean on things.
r/castiron, dominated by Lodge Corpo as one example. Other “suggestions”, too early in the day to recall more names right now, are in a parrot circle of replies for brands, as above.
You can’t trust it as much, which is why, in part, people are here instead. More old, old Reddit feels, you know, before it became cool and was thus inevitably ruined.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I don’t regret it. I only regret letting the corporations stake their claim without greater pushback.
Replying to @Vespair@lemmy.zip
“The best time to join the fediverse is 10 years ago, second best time is today.”
Replying to @Vespair@lemmy.zip
When Facebook came around, I immediately saw what it would lead to. Hell, just the thought of sharing your personal details for anyone and everyone to read was extremely creepy to me. Any time I tried to communicate this to people asking me why I wasn’t on Facebook it achieved nothing. Pushback was useless, people want what they perceive as “convenience” even when they have to (almost literally) sell their souls to the machine. No, I don’t think pushback would have helped, because people want these - and I shudder to call them such - services. The Internet was doomed the day it became mainstream.
When I was young, I was called a nerd for using computers. People online were primarily nerds who cared about tech. Those days are long gone, and there was nothing that could’ve been done to prevent the rot. It was inevitable as the Internet became more popular.
The masses will always be asses. They don’t care. They will eat corporate slop and ask for seconds until their bloated corpses burst. The best we can do is create alternative infrastructures and wait with horror as they start to rot too.
Jesus, I think I’m having a bit of a blue day.
Replying to @Vespair@lemmy.zip
Yep. That is the regret.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Also for people with severe superiority complexes
Replying to @charokol@lemmy.zip
Wow, wrong, and what an ignorant point of view.
(/s) :)
Replying to @charokol@lemmy.zip
Why did you repeat what op said
Replying to @charokol@lemmy.zip
who are all wrong. Clearly I’m the most superior.
Replying to @crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
See, this is why I love Lemmy. The good parts are like everyone’s grey beard uncles got together and are all trying to tell the best goofball jokes.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
My take is that the fediverse is nice because it’s still in its pre-enshittification phase. Give it time.
Replying to @LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
It’s designed to resist corpo capture via interoperability… if it starts enshittifying, hopefully this will allow users to shift over without incurring too much switching cost keeping them in place
Replying to @mrmacduggan@lemmy.ml
I know the theory, but it really just puts enshittification in different hands.
Well, you are using world, which is like the reddit of lemmy
Replying to @mrmacduggan@lemmy.ml
So was the united States… Lol. But I’m hoping for better here
Replying to @LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
Hopefully its design makes it resistant to enshittification.
Replying to @grue@lemmy.world
Depends… if enshittification just means corporate control and advertising, I have high hopes for the design. If enshittification also includes things like personal insults, echo chambers and gatekeeping, those ships have already sailed as expected.
Replying to @LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
“Enshittification” has a more specific meaning than just “things getting shitty.” It’s about a product or service being purposefully made worse in order for the company controlling it to extract more profit by means more underhanded and exploitative than just raising the price.
Forum toxicity (sans some algorithm or bot farm egging it on for some nefarious purpose) is categorically a different thing than enshittification.
The Fediverse can’t enshittify in its current state because it’s not controlled by a corporation. In order for it to happen, it would have to be overwhelmed by federating with Threads or something like that.
Replying to @grue@lemmy.world
Alright I understand the distinction now, although I don’t think either kind of degradation creates a worse user experience than the other. I wonder what term will be made up to describe the situation when corporations have spun up their own instances of lemmy etc. and promote them so they attract far more users. Maybe disillusionication?
enshittification just means corporate control and advertising
That is what enshittification means. It is specifically a corporation making it’s product shittier because they’ve cornered the market.
Replying to @thethrilloftime69@feddit.online
Thanks, silly me assumed a word like “enshittification” would just mean “made shitty”.
Replying to @LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
The whole point of decentralisation/federation is that it’s enshittification proof. If one services goes bad, users can move away and continue to maintain their network effect.
Replying to @LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
The fact that we’re not corposlop gives structural resistance to it. Just don’t let us get EEE’d
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I’m about half that age, and I’ve met at least a couple grads and undergrad students on here that I assumed were also in their 20s…
20 year old reporting for duty
Replying to @Denvil@piefed.world
Hah, you said duty.
Replying to @AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Welcome! You certainly don’t have to match the stereotypes to fit in around here.
Replying to @AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
I just turned 24. I like my internet smol.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I think there’s two general kinds of people on the fediverse: Those who believe in whatever freedom, security, privacy, whatever, and the rest of us that came from somewhere else that went off the deep end of enshittification.
Replying to @daychilde@lemmy.world
Replying to @aizakku@sh.itjust.works
Oof. “Porque” is “because” Por qué" is “why”. lol
But… yes. :) ¿Por qué no los dos? :)
Replying to @daychilde@lemmy.world
No hablas Espangol
Replying to @aizakku@sh.itjust.works
See senyor
Replying to @daychilde@lemmy.world
So then “because of both” - seems legit!! 😜
Replying to @daychilde@lemmy.world
I am bolth
Replying to @daychilde@lemmy.world
black white muscle handshake meme
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Hey no fair! I’m 30, I grew up on the Internet and hate what it became
Replying to @rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone
yeah but we didn’t build it. we just grew up on it.
Replying to @rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone
The Web. Internet is fine.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
true.
Honestly really glad, I’m tired of reading teenager opinions everywhere on the Internet
Joke’s on you: my opinions are just as bad.
Replying to @Monument@piefed.world
Yeah? Well I also have shit opinions.
Replying to @the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world
I think mine are the best there is. I do have a problem with objective judgment though
Replying to @krashmo@lemmy.world
I think mine are the best there is.
Likelihood of teenager.
I do have a problem with objective judgment though
Evidence of self-awareness, personal reflection, and confidence enough to admit personal shortcomings: Definitely not a teenager.
D’oh 😖
Replying to @EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app
So my opinions are automatically worthless just because I’m 19?
I didn’t say that, me not wanting to read them doesn’t make them worthless
Replying to @EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app
minors not being listened to/having autonomy is the foundation of most things wrong with this world :(
Replying to @TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works
Strong claim
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
You can debate me on it if you like…
I think a lot of you are projecting, lol
I love young people. My volunteer little sister just graduated and I used to work with trafficking victims. Listening to young people one-on-one is important and rewarding, I hope for both of us.
Reading a hasty thought from someone who doesn’t even know who they are yet every 30 seconds on the Internet on websites like reddit, where people skew really young, and taking that extremely seriously is not enjoyable, for adults or for them. And unfortunately, whatever stupid thing people say gets preserved on the Internet for WAY too long, all the more reason to disregard it quickly, but people really struggle with that online.
Replying to @EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app
I’ve fucking known who I am since I was 12, no one would accept it or believe me or give me bodily autonomy or let me learn actually useful things instead of religion at school, or let me not wear religious and gender invalidating clothing
I’m really sorry you went through that
Replying to @EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app
😑
Replying to @TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works
Agreed
Replying to @TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works
Sadly, yes.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking that age automatically makes one wise, but yes, inexperience does automatically make one naïve.
Replying to @TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works
Sadly that’s how some people think
Replying to @EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app
:old-man-yells-at-clouds-meme:
Replying to @EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app
Plenty of old people with stupid takes too
I still want to read bad takes, that’s not the issue here
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Our current crop of old people sucks badly. I aim to grow wise and notmerely grow old
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Wanna see us do it again? 💪 let’s do this, team
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I just wanted my Geocities page back.
Replying to @RacerX@lemmy.zip
I just made a neocities page, highly recommend
Replying to @LeighWeighTacoma@lemmy.world
Had no idea this was a thing. I’ll get one up tomorrow!
Replying to @RacerX@lemmy.zip
If it’s cool, share it!
Replying to @RacerX@lemmy.zip
And IRC.
Replying to @lIlIllIlIIIllIlIlII@lemmy.zip
Yeah totally! Getting voiced was like being knighted. Hope my homies on DALnet are doing alright.
Replying to @lIlIllIlIIIllIlIlII@lemmy.zip
And MUDs.
Replying to @Killer_Tree@sh.itjust.works
Heh, back before the web, I recall there were two people hogging the modems in the library: IRC users and MUD users. I guess we’re here now.
Replying to @Killer_Tree@sh.itjust.works
The Disc world Mud is still around
Replying to @lIlIllIlIIIllIlIlII@lemmy.zip
A lot of us still use IRC.
Replying to @sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz
Yeah, I know. But the old main IRC spanish network is mostly dead since MS messenger. Still exists, but channnels are empty or are only people looking for sex.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Damn bro I’m not 40 yet. We age fast enough, don’t rush it lol
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
How dare you accuse me of contributing anything other than shitposts to the world wide web.
Replying to @L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works
Shitposts are the cornerstone of the internet.
Replying to @L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works
A contribution is a contribution
i’m 39 and haven’t built shit but the regret is real
By commenting this on a federated platform, you have contributed to the open web. The fediverse is nothing if there’s no content / interactions, like your comment. I know what you mean and it might not seem like much, but you are building shit.
thank you for the kind words! now i realize i installed several rooftop wifi antennas for cash in 2005 and the regret is even stronger
The people who built the web aren’t the ones responsible for its’ consolidation.
Replying to @artyom@piefed.social
I was contracted to work for a non-profit that helped teachers write and analyze student test scores for a few years. The non-profit ended when the CEO sold the company to another education company. The new education company has contracts with the department of defense in my country.
When I reflect upon the outcome. It would seem that the department of defense now has direct access to many more students who test scores are low. All lined up and analyzed. And I’m the one that automated the deployment of that system. I just quietly took my checks until my contract was no longer renewed.
From my point of view I did built a small part of the web. And I stood around and did nothing while the web/company/people around me were being consolidated. While the department of defense freely browsed some of the most vulnerable children/students in the country because they know poorer testing students are more likely to join the military for money.
A lot of people are going to die because of that analysis system in my opinion; And to me, that means I am responsible.
Well, maybe in some way. In some way we’re all responsible for the military-industrial complex that consumes unbelievable amounts of money in pursuit of global domination and “national security”.
Maybe you can do your part to break that up by educating children about the predatory nature of the military. About the many atrocities committed. And how they target people who don’t test well in school (but obviously aren’t necessarily stupid) because they’re more likely to do what they’re told and not question anything.
Replying to @tachikoma@lemmy.today
To be fair, you did not know, how what you build, would end up being used. How could you, especially since you were working for a non-profit, that helped teachers? It is not like you were building something obviously dangerous, weapons or some shit. Maybe you feel responsible, but expecting everyone to just not do anything, in fear of it being potentially misused for something nefarious, is no way to live. That way none should do anything.
Replying to @kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz
Since when is not knowing you’ll do harm an valid excuse for harm done? We all fail to anticipate sometimes and shouldn’t be punished for it, but we should still strive to correct those wrongs.
Replying to @Nemo@slrpnk.net
They did something good-seeming in good faith, and someone else used that, for something evil later on. You would need the power to see into the future, to prevent stuff like that. If we are all to blame for something so indirect, then what does being responsible even mean anymore? That does not mean we should not strive to correct those wrongs, yes. But I do not think it makes you responsible for them either.
Replying to @artyom@piefed.social
I think that’s a big part of the point.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Wow
im over 50 and lee is way older than I. Granted www was just being born when I was in college.
Replying to @HubertManne@piefed.social
No shame in getting your freak on in telnet chat rooms or NNTP newsgroups.
one reason I liked reddit was it felt a bit more like alt. rec. newsgroups. the federation of course made it way better.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I didn’t build it, but I was raised by it. I was so hopeful when I was younger.
Replying to @OnyxRex@lemmy.dbzer0.com
I thought humanity’s problem was lack of access to information. The Internet proved I was catastrophically mistaken. The real world beat that idealistic youth to submission.
Replying to @banazir@lemmy.ml
Same here. I didn’t understand that people with power tend to find ways to make the voices they like louder, even when we all had a vote in what was popular they found a way.
And then the other thing. People tend to believe what they want to believe and outrage is often just a form of entertainment.
Replying to @banazir@lemmy.ml
Turns out what we needed was less access to misinformation.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
see you on Reticulum!
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Yeah this one Cuts deep
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
🔘I’m in this meme and I don’t like it
(Sorry for everything.)
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
"I was there, Gandalf."
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I like the Web.
I don’t like all of the websites out there and avoid using some, but I think that that was always going to be the case.
I guess that maybe it’s a little surprising that there was the degree of consolidation that there was among the broader population into use of some specific websites. But…well, network effect applies to social media, so you’d expect at least some natural tendency in that direction.
considers
I guess that the degree of shift to social media as a whole is surprising to me. Like, most really important websites are social media websites. But, well, I’d always used social media myself, even prior to the term being coined, so the idea that others might want to use it doesn’t seem that strange. BBSes, Usenet. I wasn’t a user of The WELL, but there’s another influential forum.
And a shift to Web-based social media was predicted. Those of us who were around probably remember use of the term “Web 2.0”:
Web 2.0 (also known as participative, participatory,[1] web and social web)[2] refers to websites that emphasize user-generated content, ease of use, participatory culture, and interoperability (i.e., compatibility with other products, systems, and devices) for end users.
The term was coined by Darcy DiNucci in 1999[3] and later popularized by Tim O’Reilly and Dale Dougherty at the first Web 2.0 Conference in 2004.[4][5][6] Although the term mimics the numbering of software versions, it does not denote a formal change in the nature of the World Wide Web;[7] the term merely describes a general change that occurred during this period as interactive websites proliferated and came to overshadow the older, more static websites of the original Web.[2]
A Web 2.0 website allows users to interact and collaborate through social media dialogue as creators of user-generated content in a virtual community. This contrasts the first generation of Web 1.0-era websites where people were limited to passively viewing content. Examples of Web 2.0 features include social networking sites or social media sites (e.g., Facebook), blogs, wikis, folksonomies (“tagging” keywords on websites and links), video sharing sites (e.g., YouTube), image sharing sites (e.g., Flickr), hosted services, Web applications (“apps”), collaborative consumption platforms, and mashup applications.
Whether Web 2.0 is substantially different from prior Web technologies has been challenged by World Wide Web inventor Tim Berners-Lee, who describes the term as jargon.[8] His original vision of the Web was “a collaborative medium, a place where we [could] all meet and read and write”.[9][10] On the other hand, the term Semantic Web (sometimes referred to as Web 3.0)[11] was coined by Berners-Lee to refer to a web of content where the meaning can be processed by machines.[12]
By Berners-Lee’s statement there, he always expected the Web to have a social aspect.
en.wikipedia.orgNetwork effect - WikipediaReplying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Lemmy is under 25 and over 45 absolutely no in between
Replying to @Kirk@startrek.website
Fuck, I guess I gotta get off. See you again in about 3 years.
Got my start in the 14.4 days.
Same here! The family computer’s first modem was 14.4Kbps. The sound of it connecting is burned into my memory.
Wow, I couldn’t even hold my head up at 14.4 days.
lol the first time I was using a computer was on my grandfather’s PC running DOS 2.0 on dual 5” floppy drives.
I went from a 1200 baud to a 28.8. It was like driving a supercar at the time.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I feel seent.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
there’s 2 kinds of people on fedi:
40 year olds who remember the good ol days of the interwebs
16 year old queer shitposters who got tired of getting called every slur imaginable on other networks
both are into linux
Replying to @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone
you forgot the 3rd kind
Russian bots
Replying to @Cheebus@lemmy.world
Luckily it is typically too small to be much of a bot target. I don’t subscribe to world news subs though, dark places.
Replying to @holy_scroller@lemmy.zip
It’s usually only the news subs. But if you make claims that counter Kremlin propaganda you can sometimes summon them.
Like if I just say Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine, it won’t (why? Beats me). But if I say they are killing ethnic Russian Ukrainian citizens as well as Ukrainian men, women, and children, then we have a good chance.
I got others if it doesn’t work.
Edit: (WITNESS ME! Lol) Edit 2: Now I’m impressed. I knew I could do it, I didn’t expect it to work quite so well. I’ll check back in a few hours.
Replying to @peopleproblems@lemmy.world
“People disagreeing with me are bots”
Replying to @CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml
Why you people always gotta take everything as black and white. I use “bot” interchangeably with “shill.”
Edit: I see no one found the humor with switching the actual thing that is black and white in his statement (“Everyone I disagree with”) with the “bot” and “shill” thing.
Replying to @peopleproblems@lemmy.world
“shill” implies payment, Lemmy is just way too under the radar for that kind of engagement
And by the time you have shills the network will be drowned in LLMs already. The latter hasn’t happened, it’s pure paranoia to think the former is anything to be concerned with.
Replying to @CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml
If they’re getting paid to do it, they’re just meatbots.
Replying to @ChaoticGoodHeart@sh.itjust.works
That old cartoon show “Metabots” but they’re people in a computer cave lol
Replying to @ChaoticGoodHeart@sh.itjust.works
…Do you unironically believe people are getting paid to be on lemmy?
Replying to @Cheebus@lemmy.world
also into linux
Replying to @BussyGyatt@feddit.org
Isn’t that something else? No matter where you are on the planet, if you know technology, you despise Windows.
Replying to @peopleproblems@lemmy.world
Always has been.
Well, since 1978 or so.
Replying to @homik@slrpnk.net
Almost no one was into Linux back then though
Replying to @urandom@lemmy.world
The first version was released in 1991.
Replying to @BussyGyatt@feddit.org
Not so sure, Putin was spotted voting on a unactivated windows computer (so several of my colleagues told me yesterday, haven’t verified that claim).
Replying to @Pringles@sopuli.xyz
dont i remember there were no cables running to the monitor
Was it cake?
Replying to @squirrel@cake.kobel.fyi
It was a lie, that much for sure.
Replying to @BussyGyatt@feddit.org
Do Linux Russians also wear fancy socks?
Replying to @Cheebus@lemmy.world
Only secretly!
Replying to @Cheebus@lemmy.world
the 3rd kind is people too toxic for reddit and got banned
Replying to @Cheebus@lemmy.world
I think you meant to say 40 year old queer shitposters
Replying to @Cheebus@lemmy.world
i guess im the 4th kind
Replying to @Cheebus@lemmy.world
They’ve got an entire instance!
Replying to @catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works
And that’s just the “nice” one that people still federate with.
Replying to @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I feel called out
I have to use Windows at work now, which is ass.
Anyway, I had a question about how to achieve something in Powershell the other day, so I asked it on Mastodon. Got basically nothing in response.
Every time I ask how to do something in Linux I get swamped with responses.
Make of that what you will.
Replying to @djdarren@piefed.social
I use powershell on linux, it’s on AUR: aur.archlinux.org/packages/powershell
I write scripts on my linux machine then run them on windows workstations
I thought I was alone!
GitHubbrianary - Overviewbrianary has 34 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.Replying to @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Where do fifty-something furries fit to this?
Replying to @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world
In the corner, facing the wall, sweating profusely while they think real hard about their submission/humiliation fetish.
We know all IT departments are primarily composed of furries, so it’s just a branch of number 1 really.
Replying to @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Third kind (the only people I know from real life who use the fediverse): Tech/math enthusiasts, usually grad students (who are also into linux)
Replying to @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I’m a Luddite who discovered this shit inadvertently, and still doesn’t actually understand how any of it works
But you’re correct in that I’m pushing 50
Replying to @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I’m flattered that you think I’m 16 and didn’t just turn double that this month c’:
Queer less than 25 here, I came here not because I was getting called slurs but because I’m tired of companies and of AI, I’m also on Linux :3
Good man(/woman/person/other-identity-that-represents-you)!
Replying to @Gyrcas@piefed.zip
I’m 60 and was tired of companies before you were born, AI is just the same shit served on a different cracker, I’m also on Linux :)
Replying to @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Excuse me, I’m not 40 for a few more years yet tyvm!
Replying to @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I can be a 40 years old queer friendly tired of being called slurs wanting to go back, with a mindset of a 16 year old…
Replying to @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I am in my mid-30s i will have you know!
I run Arch, btw.
Replying to @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone
What about us 20 somethings who vaguely remember the good ol days as they were fading away?
Replying to @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone
LGBT40+
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
That’s my people.
That’s fair
If by build you mean a Thursday board power user, sure.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I felt my back in this post.
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!unix_surrealism@lemmy.sdf.org
Replying to @Sergio@piefed.social
I can’t understate how much I love this art
Replying to @WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today
I think you mean overstate? Otherwise you’re saying that you don’t really like it at all.
Replying to @Bysmuth@lemmy.zip
Yeah, overstate. But I will still leave the comment unedited
It’s ok, we overstood you. But yeah, pmjv is a fucking genius.
Replying to @Sergio@piefed.social
What did I do this time?!
Replying to @pmjv@lemmy.sdf.org
Me 😉
Don’t you remember?
Replying to @WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today
lel!
Replying to @WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today
and then they all FUCKED
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Wait I’m considered young here even though I’m in my late 30s?
Replying to @ieightpi@lemmy.world
You are but a whelpling. Welcome.
Replying to @Feidry@sh.itjust.works
Thanks glad I’m here
Replying to @ieightpi@lemmy.world
You seem like a polite child, but isn’t it a little late for you to be up? Hurry to bed before your parents find out.
Replying to @Feidry@sh.itjust.works
Yup, some of us are old enough to call the 40 and 50 year olds “young whippersnappers”.
Replying to @ieightpi@lemmy.world
Not super young, but young for the group. Hell, I’m in my mid 40s (I think. Please don’t ask me to do the math) and I get the sense I’m on the young end of the primary demographic here
Replying to @ieightpi@lemmy.world
it’s dangerous to get too excited at your age, gramps, your heart might not take it
Does it count as building the web if I worked manufacturing the AOL disks that plagued everyone’s mailbox?
Replying to @ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com
Sorry to say, that was more like the initial wave of enshitification.
I learned the first bits of HTML by editing an index.html file from an AOL disk and customizing it to be my own homepage. We didn’t even had home internet back then. So yeah, it counts.
Maybe mastodon but the lemmy / piefed / mbin instances seem to be a much younger user base.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
If we unite, we can regret it again.
Replying to @Colloidal@programming.dev
That was my first thought. If we believe in ourselves we can fill Lemmy with ads and make it a subscription service and sell everyone’s data to the lowest bidder. We can do it!
Replying to @luthis@lemmy.nz
im gonna gift you Lemmy Plutonium for this!
Replying to @Colloidal@programming.dev
By your powers combined, I am captain shitpost:
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
we wrote the rules of the internet, and while some were In-jokes about life on 4Chan, a lot of them are just plain truisms. But the language makes Gen Z have the buttpains, so here we are…
Replying to @TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world
If I could enforce just one of the old rules it would be LURK MOAR.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I’m 22 but i kinda like the vibes of here.
Replying to @A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl
Good. Glad you like the place.
Replying to @A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl
Cool. Can I buy some of your blood?
Replying to @Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
I eat plastic to feel young.
Replying to @Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
Op can I buy your blood and then we give imgonnaregretthis a pail full of sheep mucus. We can split the money and the leftover lymph 60:40
Replying to @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world
Huh? I’m just trying to find the comm I can’t remember cuz it pinned what to do, like I gotta find/remember quick, whether you keep it cold or warm, I know it depends, you got the link?
This isn’t the corporate web, donate blood, don’t sell it.
Replying to @squirrel@cake.kobel.fyi
Or pirate it.
Replying to @Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
You wouldn’t download a blood… oh, wait
nevermind.
Replying to @A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl
Bring your friends
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
My only problem with it is that it’s federated.
Replying to @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
You can host your own instance and defederate, it’ll be a win-win
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
There are better forum software for that.
But federation makes the user count too high and leads to all the problems other social media has.
Replying to @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
Clearly “all the problems other social media has” are present without federation, so the claim federation leads to those problems is kind of silly.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
The problem is users, if all instances were defederated then each instance would have less which is what you want.
Federation would be fine if users could only interact with people on their own instance/see content from their own.
Replying to @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
Do… Do you understand what federation means in this context?
Also, have you considered just, like, going outside?
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Yes to both. It doesn’t change the issue.
Who invented the modern computer look and feel - the sick sad history of computer-aided collaboration: What they wanted and how it went:
https://www.quora.com/Who-invented-the-modern-computer-look-and-feel/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen
Replying to @Tehdastehdas@piefed.social
Hold on I want to use the computer with the knobs you tweak
Only it’s being overrun by a bunch of teenaged idealists that insult anyone that disagrees with them.
Replying to @Pratai@piefed.ca
No your mother
Replying to @fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com
Have you called her lately? She misses you.
Replying to @Pratai@piefed.ca
Fuck off grandpa
Look, here’s one now!
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Unfortunately as a younger gen z i need to supplement my Fediversing with traditional social media unless i want to have humor of a previous generation and get obliterated at school. I wish there was a greater variety of people on here
Replying to @master_baiter@programming.dev
Bring them here, we promise not to be awkward!
Replying to @mirshafie@europe.pub
Speak for yourself I promise to be awkward as daisy dukes on a crusty old fart with droopy balls.
Replying to @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world
Replying to @explodicle@sh.itjust.works
We shall bring the weird gen Z here so they can “match your freak” as the kids say these days.
Replying to @Jankatarch@lemmy.world
I’ve been here for three years. Weirdest Z in the gen.
I’m from the 40+ demographic but also weird and I don’t think it’s really about age or generation. I don’t care about how you reached this particular stage of enlightenment; all that matters is if you’re on the fediverse, y’all are my people.
Replying to @master_baiter@programming.dev
Nah, join the dark side. There will soon be a day when you can’t understand the young ones anyway. Why not today?
Replying to @boonhet@lemmy.zip
Wrong
67 skibidi rizz
Replying to @master_baiter@programming.dev
Older gen z here, doing my part
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
HOW DO YOU KKOW MY AGE?! fuck. i’m in.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Can’t relate. I just wanted off Reddit. Every top post and comment was a reposted top post or comment. Now it’s mostly bots… Anyways where are the 30s peeps at?
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Love to be made to feel young in my mid thirties lol
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Not quite. I went here initially because I got permabanned on reddit. But I now realize reddit is a shithole so I like it here. I do wish there were more active niche communities and I really wish you could comment while on VPN, which you cant for some reason
Yep, I was just addicted to reddit, went through my comments and posts after getting banned and realized it had been years since I really got value of interacting. Any question you want to ask has prob already been asked recently due to the sheer volume of ppl.
There also seems to be something about the echo chamber that has a weird reinforcing effect. It can become really pathological. People talk about the “reddit hivemind”, but it doesn’t really strike you until see people acting crazy.
One incident that really stuck out for me was a post with a woman holding a sign. I forget what the entire sign said, but the phrase had the word “stupider” in it. I went into the comments, and a ton of people were making fun of her for using that word. Why? Because they thought that it was grammatically incorrect. You’re supposed to say “more stupid”, they said. Well, that’s wrong, and I pointed out to them that it was a word according to any dictionary. I had people arguing with me that the dictionaries were incorrect.
Then there are the AI detectives. These people are fucking insane. It doesn’t matter if you have a statement saying that you don’t use AI. They don’t believe you! They can tell. If they were doing this to my artwork, I would be livid.
Replying to @zemo@lemmy.world
Why can’t you comment while on a VPN? I’m on a VPN right now and I’m commenting.
Also, I hate to tell you this, but reddit is the way it is because it’s so popular. If we had the amount of people necessary to make niche communities thrive, it would be just like reddit. Well, at least as far as the people posting and so on. There wouldn’t be any of the weird administrative stuff because it’s run much differently. But the fact that the system is just like reddit’s means that it attracts the same kinds of people and encourages the same kind of behavior.
Replying to @zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
Just like you can only find the specialty stores in the cities, where you’ll also find parking and traffic problems
Replying to @zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
Reddit has additionally deteriorated because it’s pushing more and more algorithmic content surfacing. The home page there is now closer to a facebook feed than the old default ‘Hot’ sorting. You also get pushed random subs and posts at the bottom of pages. Comments are also buried or surfaced depending on some algorithm not directly tied to upvotes.
Plus a ton of the users are now coming from mobile and are “app first”.
Replying to @zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
Looks like your shit just works, while it’s not like that in the whole world
Replying to @zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
Lemmy.world blocks posting from Tor and some VPNs.
Replying to @scutiger@lemmy.world
How do I get around this then? I still have to disable vpn to comment.
Replying to @zemo@lemmy.world
Its Tor that blocks, try changing servers to a non tor instance.
Replying to @wizblizz@lemmy.world
As far as I know my VPN doesn’t use Tor but I’m still blocked. It does keep me from commenting 99% of the time, which I’ve concluded is a good thing, it means I spend less time here, although it sometimes feels bad being a lurker.
Edit: I looked into it and Tor was enabled on that specific VPN profile. Now I can comment while on VPN, which means my only limiter is my own willpower, yikes
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I’m 38 I’ll have you know.
…turning 39 in a few months.
Replying to @tordenflesk@lemmy.world
Thanks for bringing some youth to the place.
Replying to @realitista@lemmus.org
We make jokes but Lemmy is still younger than most of Congress
Replying to @Aneb@lemmy.world
We’re young whippersnappers to be sure.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I would say I like it here, imo the format and overall technology is perfect. I am always impressed by how little battery and data voyager uses compared to all the other bloated apps on my phone.
Having said that, I am disappointed that even without feeds and algorithms, it has become a lot more rage inducing and depressing then I would have hoped for.
There is just so many things that affect my life in a negative way being shown here, can’t a guy get a little ignorant bliss about nerdy topics? Or long, deep discussions comparing the philosophies of niche hobbies?
Replying to @Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
I’ll be back within a day, you’d better have your topic of conversation prepared!
Replying to @stinkytofuisgood@lemmy.ca
Was thinking of making a post about movies which have reception of being worse than the book by the general public that was better than the book in your opinion.
Replying to @Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
Ok my answer is going to be a little disappointing, but I thought about it for a bit and here’s what I can say…
Usually I read a book or I watch a film, I don’t think I’ve ever done both for the same story. Sometimes there is no equivalent book or film, and when there is, I personally just end up choosing whatever format my gut says to try.
If I’ve imagined a universe and story in my mind (from a book), or had the experience delivered to me (in a film), I don’t want them to conflict so I just choose one. Probably because I see so many debates about this online and I’m just like, “nah I’m not getting involved”.
I’m actually probably the worst qualified person to give an opinion on that!! But I recognize I’m probably a weirdo, as I don’t even watch film trailers or read the synopsis of books before I read/watch them. I just kinda hear about it however that happens, and decide to either skip or jump in. The exception to this being non-fiction or educational stuff, then it matters a bit more.
I guess, I just wanna enjoy (or dislike) a story and leave it at that.
Sorry for the total non-answer. But now you’ve got me curious, what’s your answer? Maybe I’ll make an exception for Grandwolf319 haha
Replying to @Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
I agree. After being here for a while, I realized that my feed is always depressing and negative, and the comments and discussions are as well, to the point where I pretty much stopped using Lemmy for a while. But I guess the solution is simply to seek out other communities that are more positive - there should be plenty to choose from :)
I think it is kinda the same ‘echo chamber’ problem that other social media has - I feel my own opinions are being reinforced to the extreme, and while I am glad to be with like-minded people, it is also very exhausting.
Anyway, time to go exploring new communities!
Replying to @damdude@lemmy.world
I find the discussions on Lemmy to be better quality than on Reddit, but that can also make them heavier. I can also find Reddit’s banality depressing. I’m still using both atm but I’m in the process of phasing reddit out and I’m fine with that, even if I browse Lemmy a bit differently.
Building a well-rounded community can take time.
Replying to @Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
Yea tbh it’s kinda a struggle to find hobby communities
Turns out finding a niche in an already niche community is kinda hard
Replying to @Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone
What hobby community do you want to see here?
Replying to @FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world
Scale model building?(tbh havent even looked yet) equivalents to the AskScienceFiction and WhoWouldWin subreddits
Replying to @Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
I have so many filters just to block depressing news… Also to block strange hive mind posts about beans etc.
That’s one thing you can do here that you (no longer) can on Reddit
Agree. But I do have a extremely long block list of communities that I find that seem to be all about news are negative shit or click bait. Lots of users and a fair about if keywords.
I figured if it’s going to make me feel like shit why not just have my feed never show me it again.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Lemmy feels very gen z ish though.
Replying to @PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
lol
Replying to @PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
That was so unexpected that I misread it and made a joke about gen x. We seem that young to you?
Replying to @yakko@feddit.uk
Take a look at !memes@lemmy.ml on any given day and tell me anyone there is ocver 30
Replying to @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
I have that instance blocked, so I guess we’re experiencing very different versions of Lemmy.
Replying to @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
That’s your problem… .ml is a tankie sub and most tankies are just the lefts version of the rights version of libertarians. They live in a bubble of ignorance.
Replying to @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
Don’t wanna
Replying to @yakko@feddit.uk
We are young 🥺
Oh yes we are young! And since no less than 40 years! ^^
Like, young at heart or young enough to trust a fart?
Will you set the world on fire?
Heartache to heartache, we stand. No promises, no demands. Love is a battlefield.
Replying to @banazir@lemmy.ml
Now im gonna hear that song in my head all day
Which is nice
Replying to @PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
I was spending 12 hours a day staring at screen all the way back in the 90s. It was just a 14inch CRT not a phone screen. I was Gen z before Gen z was even born.
Replying to @PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
No it doesn’t. The only active fandom community here is for Star Trek, people quote George Carlin so much that it’s made me hate bits I used to find uproarious, and it generally has a curmudgeonly feel to it.
It’s Gen X for sure.
Replying to @angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com
I’m gen Z and I like trek
<Insert Goofy-fucking-do-it-again.png>
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
And 30+ year old people who enjoyed the good times while they lasted and are now nostalgic?
Replying to @Shanmugha@lemmy.world
We’re definitely here too
Replying to @Shanmugha@lemmy.world
Jip :D
Replying to @Shanmugha@lemmy.world
at 31 i barely caught the tail end of Good Internet Days but i sure fuckin miss it
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I’ve been on here since I was 16 lol
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Come now, at least half of Mastodon/*key users are genderqueer twentysomethings who are mind-bogglingly good with computers.
Replying to @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
Dozens of 'em.
Replying to @wizzor@sopuli.xyz
Like the comment said, half.
Replying to @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
There are dozens of us!
Replying to @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
Then there’s me a 30 something woman for whom computers dislike working
Replying to @captainlezbian@lemmy.world
as if Captain Lezbian could ever not fit perfectly into the fediverse.
Replying to @HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works
Replying to @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
It’s OK, we can accept them as honorary members
Replying to @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
But yet still have no idea how they work beneath the GUI. 😉
Replying to @Tabooki2@lemmy.world
I mean, that’s verifiably false. Most of the ones I follow are in fact building the GUI.
Replying to @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
I’m talking at the hardware level. We grew up having to build all of our PCs and learned about bus’s, SCSI, interrupts, partition tables.
Replying to @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
The two genders of fedi
I’m in this image and I don’t like it
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I’m not yet even close to 40, yet I still believe I am one of the “people who built the World Wide Web”, in the sense that I’ve been posting to it for more than 20 years (there are still old forum posts online that I wrote at the age of 10), i.e. before it was something the general public did a lot.
I’m on the one hand proud of how much it has grown and how much more popular it has become; and on the other hand, worried that this has caused governments around the world to pay a lot more attention to it and limit our freedom on it through age verification laws and similar…
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Hello, it’s me, Al Gore
Replying to @spacegoat@lemmy.world
I dig your rhythms
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Finally someone who at least knows the difference between the WWW and the Internet…
Replying to @ExtraJudgement@lemmy.world
That’s information superhighway thank you very much.
Replying to @jj4211@lemmy.world
That’s that series of tubes
Replying to @ExtraJudgement@lemmy.world
Lay it out for an old man, because up until about fifteen years ago the only people saying “world wide web” were grannies and corporaphones who couldn’t understand what the Internet was.
Replying to @Nemo@slrpnk.net
What’s there to lay out, other than what anyone can read from the Wikipedia entries?
The Internet is a specific global network of computer nodes that use some version of the Internet Protocol to communicate with each other. There are many different services over on it. The WWW is simply one such service.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Yeah. A bunch of old out of touch uncs with no personality outside of nostalgia for old internet platforms they got banned from, racism and misogyny.
With inflated egos about how much they actually mattered (seriously, built the world wide web).
Such a healthy platform that won’t just slowly shrivel up and die.
Replying to @GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world
Oh lighten up
Someone give this cunt a beer
Replying to @GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world
6/10 because you confuse the internet with the www
Replying to @GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world
You can just leave, you know?
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I’m only here for when I need something to browse (That and the pro wrestling community is pretty good)
And looking at a bunch of uncs with rose tinted glasses welded to their face, is worth a good laugh.
Replying to @GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world
Brother, do you see yourself?
Replying to @crayons_to_chaos@lemmy.world
That’s exactly what I did in my original comment.
Call out Lemmites for their ego (building the www), and their racism and misogyny (which no one is trying to dispute (very telling))
Replying to @GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world
Replying to @GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world
You must be fun at parties :P
Replying to @wizblizz@lemmy.world
You remember what a party is unc?
Replying to @GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world
I mean Facebook, Xitter, Reddit and friends are all but what I’d consider a “healthy platform”, and unfortunately they’re doing great.
Hell, 4chan perfectly fits your description and it’s still around. I think we’ll be fine.
Replying to @Syrc@lemmy.world
Upvoting bc using 4chan as the standard picture of health on the Internet is simply too perfect!!
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
♬ Well I’m an old blues man
And I thiiink that you understand
I’ve been singin’ the blues ever since the world began ♬
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I always thought it was like a mosaic of people pretending to be a mosaic of other people. /s
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I’m 39, thank you very much.
Did we build the world wide web or did we just shitpost for the lulz for decades without realizing we gave all the benefits of our shitposting to Mark Zuckerberg?
Replying to @thethrilloftime69@feddit.online
Well, we went from shitposting in niche, independently run, forums, to doing it on corporate platforms that spy on you. So I don’t think that the shitposting itself is necessarily the issue here
Replying to @SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml
I’m done with corporations. Fuck them
Replying to @thethrilloftime69@feddit.online
Hey now, the real benefits of shitposting were the bans we got along the way.
Replying to @thethrilloftime69@feddit.online
We gave it all to spez by abandoning all the little crappy forums because they were kinda crappy.
Replying to @zaphod@sopuli.xyz
A lot of forum admins just got old. It’s more like the IT nerd boomers and gen-x built the internet. They were middle age when we were kids. Most of us whippersnappers were being babysat by them.
Good luck convincing any normie on the internet today that it was actually a boomer who built the world wide web. All they see is tech illiterate old people who only made the world worse. And for some reason gen-x doesn’t exist to them.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I didn’t do anything. I just went along for the ride. I love using tech other people made to help me do shit. I think I just like problem solving efficiently.
Replying to @aceshigh@lemmy.world
That’s actually what we IT people [set out to] do… efficient problem solving.
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Replying to @bitjunkie@lemmy.world
Replying to @bitjunkie@lemmy.world
Lawyer: You can’t divorce your wife, just because she’s a bit odd.
Micky: I said, she’s fucking Goofy!
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
There is nothing here for you. You may leave at any time.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Fuck that. I don’t regret it. We built the world wide web from nothing for everyone and had it fucking stolen by rich assholes who put our community resources WE developed behind ads and paywalls. Unlike those uncreative hacks we have the talent to take it back.
Replying to @Doom@lemmy.world
The bit we should regret is that we let the rich corporates steal it.
Replying to @Doom@lemmy.world
The WWW was built for everyone.
We let rich assholes steal it out of laziness.
Take for example, Facebook vs MySpace or similar. Making a Facebook is instant, making a MySpace took effort. Setting up a subreddit is instant and free and gets you an immediate registered audience, setting up a vBulletin or similar forum is time-consuming and costs money and getting any traffic is an uphill battle. Same thing with posting- on Reddit just mozy on over to that sub and hit post, on a forum you have to register. Or you want to make videos? Gotta pay for a decent web hosting plan, lots of bandwidth, and deal with encoding, playback scripts, etc. Or just make a YouTube and hit ‘upload’.
So we let big platforms take over the Internet. We gained a fuckton of features and convenience. We didn’t consider what we lost- creativity, and the independence of not having to make everything advertiser-friendly.
Monetization is the other frenemy. It’s great that creators can get paid for their work easily. But what we lose with that is every creator pandering to the algorithm, every video begs ‘like comment and subscribe!’, videos shy away from advertiser-unfriendly topics, and the kid filter brainrot is starting to infect common lexicon (‘my brother got caught watching corn and now he’s gonna unalive himself with a pewpew’ type nonsense).
For that reason I think decentralization and federation are the way out.
Look at forums for example- one of the biggest barriers to entry was registration, getting people to care enough to bother registering. Lemmy fixes that, and you can still make a community as closed and private as you want.
I’m hoping a new group of websites will spring up from this. My only fear is they will all drown in a sea of AI slop.
Replying to @Doom@lemmy.world
/fistclench
We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals. You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good,
I'll fuckin do it again
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
As a call center employee, the most inexplicably difficult part of my job is asking an older person to navigate to our website. When I give them the 9 letter address, it almost always results in a google search for them and the ordeal of having them try to pick out our website from the sponsored results brings joy to advertisers everywhere.
Replying to @likebudda@reddthat.com
This exact mechanism is why so many get caught in scams.
Software developers, of all people, should be used to the idea of complex projects not turning out quite the way they envisioned them. We’re still building the World Wide Web, and the Fediverse is part of it. I don’t even think we can call it a proper 1.0 version until every person has access to it, and we’re still quite a ways out from that. After we hit that milestone, there will still be an avalanche of maintenance and QoL improvement work to do. I don’t think the Web is something we’ll finish building anytime soon, if ever.
Replying to @queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone
In my experience most software developers have very little understanding of complexity, and mostly ignore it or try to design around it, nor with it. Which is mostly just a function of them needing to work to get by, not to contribute something meaningful to society.
Compared with whom? Complexity in general is a rather elusive concept, and since its effects on software are (usually) cumulative over multiple years, devs working in systems that reward quarterly or annual performance metrics are incentivized to ignore it. I don’t think ignoring complexity because your job compels you to is the same as not understanding it.
Most of the devs I’ve worked with grasp the theory of complexity fairly easily once it’s been explained to them, but tend to underestimate their own ability to manage it because they don’t account for how their scrum-addled environment impacts the quality of the code they write. They just look on the tangled mess they’ve wrought and assume the fault is individual, not systemic.
Replying to @queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone
I’m a climate scientist, I’ve been a web dev, and I’ve worked with complexity in climate, risk, and management spaces. So, compared to those I guess. I’ve worked with some software devs who are well aware of complexity concepts, but I’ve never really seen any of them take a complexity-first approach.
I fully acknowledge that I have a particular perspective, but I struggle to believe that most software devs in generic workplaces are better at complexity thinking than the ones I’ve worked with, given the content we were working with.
That’s fair. I’m not trying to suggest that software development makes one uniquely capable of understanding complex systems, or complexity generally; more that the work tends to involve injecting more and more complexity into systems until they’re tottering under their own weight, as the Web is doing now. Managing that complexity ramp (or more often, failing to do so) is a part of maintaining software, and devs should be familiar with the prospect of a project that has morphed into something beyond their expectations.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
fediverse is basically internet as god intended.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
As per usual, something was used for greed that wasn’t initially meant to. They couldn’t for see it
Replying to @Polisheocket@lemmy.zip
We probably should have
It was supposed to make everything better, we were sure of it.
We were horribly wrong. Sorry.
Replying to @TomMasz@piefed.social
We built it first on PHP and later Node.js. It was clear from the start we had no idea what we were doing.
Replying to @Ftumch@lemmy.today
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Bitch I’m 36 and here on this Lemmy ish to meet the women who will give birth to my first through sixth wives. I have plans for seven onwards. Illuminati shit, y’know? But what I do for the CIA is I easily discredit myself by shaking a loose vestibule of fecal matter from my pant leg before providing education on any number of fun subjects like how MKULTRA was our initial enlightenment program that went and evolved its memetic ass into Star Gate by adding a larger counterintelligence role to the project and this has since and perpetuatively splintered into the modern Anonymous whatchsmacallit or whatever the kids are rizzing their pants about today, and then I follow that completely true series of facts with a rendition of the arts:
8=====D
I make more money than you doing this. Anyways, have a nice day! I have d-tier sex crimes to go boast about. Toodles!
Replying to @Impractical_Island@lemmy.world
LOL! This is what the output of a writing prompt, post stroke, looks like!
OMG… so funny!
Replying to @foodandart@lemmy.zip
I don’t have enough seltzer for this shit
Replying to @Impractical_Island@lemmy.world
Narrator:This person, naturally, remained celibate for their entire life.
Replying to @GrindingGears@lemmy.ca
You don’t know my stats, dawg. I rolled sick in luck; my life partner was a virgin when I met him. I mean, he still is a virgin, but he used to be one too!
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
well I feel seen
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Mario teaches typing and the Oregon Trail on 5.2499" disks were just a dream.
Replying to @altphoto@lemmy.today
5.25" you absolute philistine
Replying to @bitjunkie@lemmy.world
There, I’ve fixed it.
Replying to @altphoto@lemmy.today
Bitches don’t know about these significant digits
Replying to @altphoto@lemmy.today
Kings Quest 4 on like 8 disks I think?
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Hell yeah, my geocities Nine Inch Nails fan site helped build the Internet
Replying to @hactar42@lemmy.ml
Will you join my webring?
Replying to @hactar42@lemmy.ml
I had a geocities page all about skateboarding. I’d give you the url, but I neither remember it, nor doubt your phone is wide enough for a url that long
Replying to @hactar42@lemmy.ml
Indeed. You were up above it.
Replying to @dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
But alas, now they are down in it
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I personally blame the iPhone. Shit all started going downhill from then
Replying to @lordziv@lemmy.nz
Nope. You got the time period right, but I would like to posit it’s when they started letting our Parents, drunk uncles and dumb ass aunties on Facebook.
The problem always has, and always will be, Facebook.
Replying to @GrindingGears@lemmy.ca
I completely agree. Should have never taught the geriatric community how to access FB
Replying to @combomeal@lemmy.zip
Honestly someone should have just whooped Zucks ass and shut down Facebook entirely. It’s whole original premise was scummy and if only got worse. There was data at the time showing how bad it was. The roll out to various colleges was happening at the same time as a nationwide student health and wellness survey. Mental health dropped significantly whenever access was opened to a college.
Replying to @cloudshouter@lemmy.zip
someone should have just shut down Facebook entirely
And nothing of value would be lost.
Replying to @late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net
It really is a lot like religion. All the good stuff you can get somewhere else but much of the bad stuff is unique.
Replying to @GrindingGears@lemmy.ca
But what made it more accessible and easy to access places like Facebook in the first place? Smart phones.
Replying to @lordziv@lemmy.nz
Smartphones weren’t really all that popular until 2007, and none of the ones before the iPhone 3G or like the Blackberry’s could really run Facebook all that well. The iPhone never really blew up to the level it’s at now until the 4 arguably, which didn’t come out until 2010 or 2011 (think it was 2010). Facebook had already been pretty infected before then.
Replying to @GrindingGears@lemmy.ca
It’s not Facebook either. The concept of letting too many of “those” people in to quickly and destroying the culture is known as “eternal September” and is from 93-94.
Replying to @lordziv@lemmy.nz
Dicks out and enter the dark timeline.
Replying to @lordziv@lemmy.nz
God what i would do for Nokias to be viable again. I actually still have my old 6085. Looks brand new, still gets 2 weeks of battery. If it wasn’t for banking apps I would still be using that thing
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
In our defense, corporations ruined the world wide web. It still has so much potential if they weren’t involved.
It’s been corporate the entire time. The rise of the www literally fueled a global economic bubble.
Replying to @GrindingGears@lemmy.ca
The bubble was because of speculative finance assholes ripping each other off by pointing at the thin vaneer of corporate windows built on the tools that were mostly developed by the military, universities, CERN and countless nerds’ computer rooms and garages.
Corporations are made of people, and people more broadly let them gain power. That doesn’t seem like a defence, it’s just a description of our failure.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I would like to deny this, but I can’t.
Replying to @XopherH@lemmy.world
The only thing I wish I could deny is the 40+ part
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Yes, bow to me, the grand architect of geocities Dragon Ball Z pages.
Replying to @HeHoXa@lemmy.zip
We thank you for your service.
Replying to @HeHoXa@lemmy.zip
You checked out Neocities yet? I’ve been thinking of signing up.
Replying to @HeHoXa@lemmy.zip
bows deeply
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
I hope he’s not speaking for me cuse I ain’t 40 and I’ll hold on till like last mastodon
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Never thought I would say we need to decentralize the Internet
Replying to @The_Almighty_Walrus@lemmy.world
Yeah… That shit with ICANN and Autistici kinda raises some red flags now though…
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
The people who built the web don’t regret it tho, lol. Try harder.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
for 40+ people who built the WWW then sold it to the enshitifiers, which they now regret
Replying to @BrownSugarBits@lemmy.world
It was not sold. It was taken/stolen
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
People on here think too highly of themselves and the Fediverse. The overwhelming majority of people here don’t know the basics of programming and of the few that do, the vast majority of them don’t make any contributions. Even to those who do contribute, comparing themselves or the Fediverse WWW and the people who built it rather arrogant, no?
At the end of the day, the Fediverse would be better off going through a reality check. It’s a niche alternative to mainstream social media that trades content for privacy. The tech is neat and the idea behind it is noble, but that’s about it. It’s not going to revolutionize the internet any time soon.
Replying to @Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
The internet itself was once a niche alternative to mainstream knowledge
The way I see it is, that we are all good or even experts at something. The internet is not only about programming alone. The frustration comes from people who 30 years ago spent time discussing and sharing all kinds of knowledge on websites, forums or wikis but now, large corporations charge money to present the same knowledge more conveniently, but not always in the right context
This includes programming, but also gardening, how to ferment cabbage, how to clean a smoking pipe, what to feed guinea pigs.
It is definitely doable, but will take many decades
Replying to @cosmicrookie@lemmy.world
I mean you’re technically right, it is possible in theory. However, do you actually think that will be the case? I personally don’t see it.
The WWW made vast amounts of information remotely accessible and easy to navigate. Likewise, social media made large scale remote and asynchronous social interaction possible. Even though both took decades to evolve into what they are today, they fundamentally transformed how people access information and connect with one another. That’s what makes them revolutionary.
The Fediverse isn’t exactly like that. It’s a neat piece of tech, but it doesn’t exactly solve a problem that couldn’t already be solved. You can already communicate with people remotely, build communities, publish content, and interact with people across different platforms. The main thing that the Fediverse is trying to sell people on is decentralization which comes with perks like extra privacy and control, but which is valuable hence why this place has a genuine userbase, but I don’t see it going beyond that.
As it stands now the Fediverse is just another platform competing in a sea of other platforms. The Fediverse is already around a decade old, and not much has changed during this time. It was niche a decade ago, and it’s still niche now. The spot that it carved in the ecosystem is that of social media alternative that caters to left wing politics and tech bros. Even if it becomes more mainstream, it’ll still be viewed as another form of social media rather than something entirely new and different. The Fediverse is most certainly not like the WWW.
Replying to @Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
Who are all these people comparing the WWW and social media as a concept to the significance of the fediverse? I’ve never seen it. Lots of people are excited about the concept of a decentralized reddit-like social media, but I’ve never seen anyone express what you described.
Feels like we’re getting annoyed at nothing here honestly.
Replying to @Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
Software developers are on Mastadon, though. Big time.
Replying to @some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
The Fediverse in general attracts a lot of tech people compared to elsewhere, but even then, they’re still a minority.
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Im sorry but I did not contribute to this in any meaningful way.
Replying to @Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Uhhh excuse you, you create the meaningful content!
Replying to @B1tch_Pudding@lemmy.zip
Says you
Replying to @Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com
BITCH I EAT PEOPLE
Replying to @B1tch_Pudding@lemmy.zip
Eek
Replying to @Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Sorry that was rude. I just like your posts. You’re an essential part of the fediverse and I hope you make more 🌷
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
Is it saying I’m banned from this community?
Replying to @naught101@lemmy.world
What does “Banned from community” on the post header mean? Apparently I’m not banned because this comment worked - does it mean OP was banned after posting?