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Why do older generations pee all over the toilet seat?

Ok so this is a bit odd but hear me out. Whenever I have older family members or neighbors over my house, I always find pee on the toilet seat, floor, and wall next to my toilet. It happens without fail, and it’s always boomers.

When I have friends over (Millenial age) this is never a problem. The bathroom is always much cleaner and the guys are always fine, even after a few drinks.

But boomer guys? Straight blasting bootstrap piss. It’s crazy.

Anyone else notice this?

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Replying to @⁨qyron@sopuli.xyz⁩

I’m listening to a podcast for about 10 years now. I still enjoy it, they are my age, and generally i find their opinions very agreeable. One thing that kinda shook me is how much they agree that as a man, you DO NOT sit and pee. It came two or more times and i find it one of the weirdest hill to die on. They went as far as saying that if they would visit one another and one would theoretically walk into someone taking a pee and they would sit there, it would probably change their whole relationship. A relationship that is being friends and business partners for like 20 years. It’s not some Alpha male podcast, it’s about video games and the hosts are 40 year old left leaning nerds.

Replying to @⁨barfhurricane@lemmy.zip⁩

Their bladder doesn’t work as good because of their age. Their eyes aren’t as good. Their brain isn’t as good. They have more chronic pain. There is more dribbling of pee that occurs once they have finished peeing. Maybe they looked at the toilet seat and saw nothing but something leaked between checking the toilet and pulling their pants up. Some old people can’t wear khakis because they would dribble pee through them.

Replying to @⁨XiJinpingStanAccount@lemmy.ml⁩

The external urethral orifice?

It is usually a vertical slit. As the pee comes out as a vertical oriented stream it fluctuates between vertical and horizontal several times until reaching its target. However as you get older the per-hole shape changes shape and enlarges. Plus if you still have your glans it stretches due to daily use and abuse and such, so it interferes with the outgoing stream unless you pull it out of the way. Everyone learns to pull it out of the way. But if you’re also “soft” pulling it out of the way is much harder than one could imagine. I’m not a doctor, I just got one of these things.

Replying to @⁨barfhurricane@lemmy.zip⁩

Well, it’s a multi prong issue; there isn’t a single cause, and not everyone shares the same combination of causes.

First is the obvious. Age related eye and coordination issues. As we age, some things don’t keep it up like other traits can. And, worse, age related experience only counters it if the person applies said experience.

Second, you run into issues with the plumbing, as someone said in other comments. The prostate is a hell of an organ. But when it gets swollen, the stream gets sputtery. You also run into user error where you have to hold the thing different than when you’re younger because the elasticity and thickness of skin changes. It’s easier to accidentally apply pressure to the urethra. The typical two or three finger grip can apply more pressure than is good when the skin isn’t as resilient.

Third, the ol’ give-shitter runs down. Spoons, baby. You run out of them. The effort of paying attention just isn’t as bearable, depending on what else is melting your spoons down. Which applies to cleaning up after yourself as well. Which also means that remembering to behave better when you aren’t at home where you’re the person inconvenienced can be a problem.

Now, the answer to all of those is to sit the fuck down, but the folks now into their seventies and eighties had a much less free concept of masculinity. In other words, they were fed the unhealthy concept that doing things the way women do them is inherently unmasculine. That isn’t true for everyone, but actual boomers, and the generation before them have more resistance to sitting down just because they’re men. Boomers less so than their parents, as the actual baby boomers includes the very same people that fought to change such concepts.

You also have plain assholes, but that isn’t a generation thing; there’s assholes that will spray piss everywhere on purpose of all ages, so it isn’t really a factor for this question.

Legit, I had patients back in the day that would resist sitting down to put on pants because they felt it made them lesser. Not less masculine, just less independent. They’d resist canes and walkers for the same reason, accelerating their reliance on mobility aids. That aspect of seat pissing is also a factor, but like just being an asshole, it isn’t purely a generational thing. Plenty of young guys fight against anything other than standing to pee because being able to do so becomes a symbol of physical capability. If you have to sit to pee, you’re fucked is the idea, no matter how false.

I had to lay down the law with my own dad a couple of years ago. Got tired of needing to use the toilet and sitting in piss, or walking in it, or seeing it drip. In his case, he didn’t even realize he was missing, but he still didn’t like the idea. He also got cataract surgery after that and it improved his aim back to an acceptable level when he does stand while peeing.

For real though my fellow men; sit to fucking pee. Splashing toilet water isn’t a good thing, and that’s going to happen no matter what else you do.

Replying to @⁨southsamurai@sh.itjust.works⁩

Adding on to what you said, another reason older people in general can be wary of sitting down if it isn’t absolutely necessary is that it can be very difficult for them to stand back up without assistance. Especially if they are used to being somewhere with grab rails or other safety affordances.

So it might not be stubborn masculinity as much as bad knees and stubborn independence in some cases: if they stand, they can be in and out quickly on their own. If they sit, they may need to call for help.

Replying to @⁨southsamurai@sh.itjust.works⁩

A lot of contradiction in your opinion ( at least as far as blaming the need for masculinity goes). As you pointed out yourself, toilets can be gross to sit on, and by now most people know what ‘clean’ toilets are really like under uv light. And that’s the only reason why, unless it’s my own toilet, I’m never sitting down on one to pee or poop.

Replying to @⁨barfhurricane@lemmy.zip⁩

It’s not just a boomer issue, it is also guys who grew up with somebody else doing the cleanup afterward.

Old can give you a non consistent stream, but a considerate old person would then wipe their spills.

But I had 30 year old friends stop by an spray everywhere. So I talked to them about sitting down to pee.

My coworkers wife told her husband “have your friends over any time for drinks, etc, but I’m not cleaning up any piss, so after your friends leave you have to completely clean the bathroom” He started to realize how gross men can be about pissing everywhere.

Replying to @⁨BCsven@lemmy.ca⁩

I think this is the answer, but peeing on the seat is another level of dysfunctional. Peeing standing up without lifting the seat is not ok even by guys peeing standing up standards. And peeing on the seat while sitting down suggests another problem, and then if you have that problem, not wiping off the seat is even more inconsiderate than leaving a few splashes on the rim of the bowl itself. I have to wonder if some of these boomers have some dementia.

Replying to @⁨barfhurricane@lemmy.zip⁩

You should ask them! Maybe they’ll start thinking about it.

I’ve had a few occasions where I’ve gone after someone who left droplets after themselves. I (discreetly) brought them into the bathroom and kindly asked them to please clean up so I can use the toilet. Perfect amount of shame having to clean it up while knowing I’m waiting, in dire need for a wee.

Never had to repeat myself either, but I don’t invite or visit people who would have to hear that more than once. (Except for children and perhaps teenagers, they can need a few reminders if they insist on standing).