Good fucking luck seeing where i live from the street. I’d build a compound wall if i could.

Didn’t work for laden wont work for you. Locally here they just fly drones over neighborhoods and issue citations.

I feel good. Ol’ Binny didn’t have a half-acres worth of this stuff.

😂

Wtf, is there nothing that isn’t for sale anymore?

Capitalism!

Hahaha so true. Or is it socialist since the data is coming from a garbage truck lol 🤔

The engineers behind these things need to be heavily blacklisted. “Oh yeah, Justin. He was one of the software engineers behind the garbage truck cameras. Toss his resume in the trash. Erica worked for Flock, toss hers too.”

Employers are already doing this, but I’d love to see it become more prevalent.

You’d have to make engineer a protected title for that and enforce membership and chartership with your locally recognised engineering institutions to allow working under the title. They do that in Queensland Australia. It’s not enforced in our other states, which is odd given Queensland is Australia’s Florida …

Getting a job as an engineer in the UK was hard work because every ridiculous job and it’s dog was claiming to be an engineering role. The guy terminating a wall socket for your internet connection: telecoms engineer apparently. Rough gig for having burnt 5 years at university …

I’d like this but for the news. Want to say your broadcast is news? It has to adhere to factual standards then. Otherwise it’s entertainment.

Yeah I agree with this

Otherwise it’s entertainment.

Fox and Infowars (as under Alex Jones) already claim this

I mean Fox News would need to change from Fox News* to Fox Entertainment Channel (or whatever). Calling yourself news is a regulated term. Not something you can hand wave away with small text at the bottom of the screen.

*Faux News

We have this in the states but the title is Professional Engineer. Which is the best way of going about it because making “Engineer” a protected title on its own makes no sense.

PE is a funny sore spot for me. It’s almost impossible to obtain if you’re not working with other PEs, which is unfortunately the vast majority of engineering roles. I think we have one in my company and he’s in a different state. I have a master’s degree in EE and 15 years working as an RF engineer, but I’ll still see a handful of people saying we’re not real engineers because we’re not holding a PE license we’ll never need.

I similarly roll my eyes when people complain about jobs like network engineers and software engineers because the PE guys don’t even like that they have engineer in the name when the word engineer just mean roughly “Guy who designs things”. Like the hubris needed to try and co-opt a generally applicable word to just a hyperspecific purpose lol

A professional engineer would be someone who’s chartered with a recognised engineering institution (Engineers Europe and it’s related Orgs in Europe, Engineering Council and related orgs in the UK, Engineers Australia in Australia etc) and the title would depend on the what the institution want to call them. The professional instution outlines ethical and behavioural requirements to maintain membership.

An Engineer usually refers to someone who does a job related to design and planning for a technical discipline (civil, mechanical, structural, electrical, software etc). The job role usually requires a degree in he engineering disciple, but if you were a particularly fantastic and experienced technical person you might be able to fill the role without one. There will likely be areas of knowledge where you’d be lacking in that case though.

I’m saying the job role could be made to require the chartership to help enforce adherence to the ethical requirements of those governing institutions.

The problem with that is that “Engineer” is too broad a term to require chartership in every single unrelated discipline.

Unrelated discipline? Why would you claim to be an engineer if your work was not related to engineering?

It would make sense to call yourself an engineer if it’s your job to engineer things, which by definition means to design any kind of complex system for some kind of practical use.

“Engineering” is not itself a discipline (branch of study), but instead a category of disciplines. Civil, mechanical, industrial, chemical, and electrical are the core five disciplines that people typically associate with the term engineering, but you can engineer complex logical systems as well, like software or computer networks, and an infinite number of others.

My point is that trying to gate by protected title “Engineer” on its own is impractical because it’s just a broad concept. It makes more sense for each discipline to create some sort of licensing system and protected title that conforms to that particular discipline.

I see what your saying. It’s a broad concept but the process for professional recognition can accommodate that. The topic at question is how do we ensure engineers are ethical in how they operate and professional registration and protection of the role along with the assurances that go with that are a good way to achieve it. I know in law in Australia you must be registered with the local law regulator to practice and members must adhere to strict ethical standards. If you are reported and found to be breach those standards you will not be able to practice any more. Meanwhile engineers are polluting and building weapons ad nauseum with limited repercussions. Engineers are held accountable in most regions legally but laws usually apply to safety, not building/designing unethical things.

So I find the UK a good example of how professional registration can be done well. Each discipline has an organisation that handles chartership specific to that discipline. The IET does a lot of lifting for all things electrical, including communications/telecoms, but I believe they would cover some software engineering depending on what your focus was. BCS, CISec or IfSE would likely cover most software engineering.

My experience tends to be with the IET. They are internationally recognised and have branches in a lot of countries. If you have no local support within your company they will connect you with an existing chartered member in your field who can help with advice and chartership application review. I know with Engineers Australia you can migrate your chartership from the IET to Engineers Australia without too much difficulty. Engineers Australia is a single organisation for all disciplines which is then open to the issues you mention. The UK orgs are all regulated by the engineering council which manages a consistent specification for all orgs to hold their members to, the orgs then review applications specific to the discipline against the requirements of the spec.

Not gonna lie… If I got a good candidate, who is well qualified and not asking a ridiculous salary… I would hire them even if they worked for these evil companies.

They won’t be working for them anymore if I hire them anyways.

They do it for those not complacent

These people need to be socially outcast full stop.

Is this an actual issue? your home should not be so bad that its violating city code. If it is you should be getting a blight notification.

Having the city to under resourced to notice and take action doesnt change that this is a negative thing. The only angle I can see bad about this is false notices going out or increasing the work load for city council workers sifting through all the new reports.

Yeah, let’s just unleash completely unreliable tech to punish people for shit that the city isn’t even willing to fund enforcement of!

The station caught up with local real estate broker Ty Williams, who got a courtesy notice for “chimney paint” on a house he owned after one of these cameras came by. He shared a photo of the chimney, and it’s, like, just a regular chimney with some slight discoloration from age.

Human review isn’t doing shit to avoid the inherent problem with the system. This is just the new version of red light cameras, which are also unreliable and incentivize punitive fines.

Red light cameras are fine. If the person as an issue with the official city complaint they can take the city to court.

As for the real estate agent they are likely full of shit given the article didnt post their photo. Plus ive seen what they try and claim as damage they have no trust. This article is low quality trash.

Thats the same logic when minorities are unfairly bothered by cops. A lot of people dont have the resources to fight the system especially for minor fines. But it is unfair for them to lose time and money fighting something that they shouldnt have been charged. Its the opposite of how an effective justice system works.

By that logic dont enforce any laws because some enforcement might be grey and people dont have the resources to make their case.

Thats dumb this is a non issue. You are suggesting we throw out the entire process improvement because it might be wrong and a council worker might not check before issuing the notice then the home owner might be unable to respond to the violation notices.

“If you arent breaking the law, you have nothing to hide”

You can’t hide the front of your house from the street

What if you live underground?

The suburban mind cannot comprehend a rural house behind an acre of trees.

The point is the view of your house(property) from the street is not private. Its not a privacy invasion to take a street view picture.

You didnt say property. You said house.

The view from the street towards your house is not a protected view. You have no right to stop someone from seeing what they can see from the street. You can try and obscure it but its still not a privacy invasion to look from the street at a house.

As per the summary part of the post, it’s talking about a “blight” score and HOA (Home Owners Associations).

No its talking about giving each house a blight score similar to an HOA. The city council already has guidelines and this blight score is data to help. This isnt like an HOA where you get fined for having a bin on the front of house.

Yes, as already demonstrated, cameras everywhere reporting “violations” are always accurate and never abused, totally contestable and the local council is always reasonable about them.

How is this going to be “abused” the responsibility remains on the person at the council issuing the violation they can see the photo before filing. They are contestable the same as any other property violation.

city code is frequently idiotic as written but so infrequently enforced that nobody complains

Ok so either change it or the city officials will ignore all but the worst violations. Both irrelevant to the technology.

Yet another reason to move to the boonies where the only garbage truck is your own beater every couple weeks.

And you accidentally turn a whipped cream container into a steam rocket.

Good news, the flock camera on every corner will be tracking you and looking for any violations with your truck.

And by good, I mean bad.

Jokes on them I only use it on my property except for garbage runs and the plates are stolen

Lol. Lmao even.

A flock camera in a rural area will end up like a stop sign in a rural area. Full of bulletholes.

I thought so too. I live in the rural southeast. Those things are at every major intersection and about half of the rest of them.

Maybe the people that don’t mind shooting stuff will learn what they are and take them out. So far the only people I’ve heard about doing that are some kids from one of the local colleges getting arrested for it. Don’t know what happened after that tbh. But most country people are total bootlickers for the cops, as long as they keep the browns out

Nobody has been arrested for it here.

There are plenty of so called brown people, though.

It’s not rural until your town contracts a county sheriff for a handful of hours a week and otherwise has no police force! Literally not enough funding for a flock deal around these parts lol. If all these intersections ur talking about have paved roads, lights, and bullet hole free signs we may have different definitions of rural!

Yeah that’s fair, I’m talking southeast rural. I have spent some time in Alaska, and that’s something else, that’s for sure.

I assure you our stop signs are appropriately peppered by buckshot, but you can’t go ten miles without going by a flock camera. But relatively, nothing’s that far apart down here, and you can’t go too far without crossing a state highway.

But our good ol’ boys are far more interested in harassing minorities than disrupting government surveillance.

No kidding at one point I lived in Texas in the DFW triangle so not exactly rural LOL, havent been in much rural South. I now live in rural north and it is very different, closest interstate is an hour away. And thankfully people don’t really harass each mother much 👍

I will only buy property in an area where every sign has bullet holes.

Lets me know my neighbors share my disdain for authority.

Some small towns councils/shires can be even more intrusive and nosy than those in the city, because they have fuck all else to do.

My dad lives in a small town of 30 people and the shire is nosy as fuck.

If they can stick their noses in my business I’m not far enough away

Hmmm. A wall of those tall skinny evergreen topiaries run across the front edge of the lawn would be nice. Put in a little white picket gate with flowerboxes for effect.

Those evergreens will give my pigs a nice shade, and you’ll have to deal with the smell.

I’m well used to pigshit stink. Now dairy cows… that’s a whole other level of death.

I mean, code violation rules are there to protect people?

my grass length is none of your fucking business

It is when it houses rodents and other animals that can spread diseases, infest houses, and cause other trouble. It is called living in a society. If you don’t like it, move to Antarctica.

you can spread disease… CEOs are also activly spreading diseases in your food…

my lawn, is none of your fucking business.

Is that a real concern that you have or did you hear that somewhere and decide to be contrarian with it

I’m coming over with a magnifier

Nah, a neighboring city has ordinance written with aesthetics in mind too. Like, it’s in the city code that your front yard landscaping has to be congruent with the aesthetic of the street landscaping.

It’s absolute insanity.

Edit: For the actual text

Entry areas, access easements, and driveways shall be landscaped to create a feeling of identification and continuity of plant materials related to the plantings around the buildings and parking areas. The primary entrances to the multi-family development, defined for this section as the entrances from public roadways, shall have landscaped areas on either side of the entrance. This landscape area shall be a triangle beginning at a point where the back of the sidewalk and the driveway intersect and running a distance of twenty feet parallel with the street, and fifteen feet from the back of the sidewalk along the driveway, and diagonally connecting the two lines. These areas may be utilized as rain gardens.

This is the kind of bullshit I have to deal with. The city jerkoffs say I have to have a more “herbaceous” front yard. There is a drought and watering restrictions to days and hours. Yet I need more grass. Clowns.

thats reasonable no?

That sounds kinda dystopic indeed

As per the summary part of the post, it’s talking about a “blight” score and HOA (Home Owners Associations).

It is important to keep an eye on the blight, Morrowind taught us that

In a sane place. Yes.

In a mini fascist empire run by an HOA? Not even as a joke. HOA rules are efforts to raise resale value, not do anything positive, or prevent anything negative, from happening to the humans caught in the middle.

The Schizophrenic who believes the garbage men are spying on him is going to fucking lose it!

Great. Something cool was made into something shitty

We made garbage trucks into cops.

America 250!

Panopticon on wheels.

How do you beat something like this with technology? It must be possible.

Good lasers, suppressed 22s, Sawzall’s, you name it.

Need a clock-blocker.

Will they take a picture before or after the fuckers in the truck somehow manage to fling my cans into the drainage ditch again

They’ll take a pic afterwards and then fine you for polluting the runoff

I’m so tired, boss.

Can we stop with the dystopia for like…. A whole week?

This has been a thing for like 15 years. Just not using “AI”

AI surveillance. another method for LEO/palantir to get access to irl data.

“EU bad! EU doing too much regulation!”
Meanwhile, Trumpist USA:

But you see, they’re not regulating the corporations. That’s the big difference.

Yeah, this is revenue generation that will replace taxes on businesses.

Garbage truck is gonna be new target practice for the pellet gun.

My city has them now. A friend of mine got flagged for overfilled bins. Before it only flagged you if the driver did, and the driver only would if it was egregious. The AI doesn’t GAF and reports fucking everything apparently.

eh, code violations are a local government thing. If your town is a giant HOA then look in the mirror. Done properly code violations are serious things you do actually need to fix.

Okie dokie, guess I’ll be installing super bright IR floodlights to maintain my privacy then.

Fuck your cameras lol

What is “clock code”?

To clock: to register on a mechanical recording device

Code violations: things about a property that do not meet standards according to local ordinances

Wow thank you lol. I’m a native English speaker but I never would have read that headline that way.

I was imagining some bizarre HoA rules that like, fined people for not updating their microwave for daylight savings time or something.

Jokes on them. I already live under an HOA, and they do landscaping.

Don’t know if it’s these “AI cameras”, but my garbage company started uploading videos of my “violations” to their portal to justify charging me more (bin was open a few inches a couple times). They have video of them picking up the bin (showing my car plates and house in the back), and also of the bin contents from another camera after they dump it into the truck.

I can only assume they’re working on the “threw a non-recyclable item in recycle bin” logic so they can charge more protect the environment.

Makes sense though. There was trouble with people throwing hazardous waste into the green waste bins and then kids getting exposed to the material. Fuck those people.

I’m very sympathetic to the crap waste people have to deal with but, yeah you can buy a dash cam at wal-mart. Please get that shit off your trucks. You can do it. I mean accidents happen you know. Cameras go missing all the time. I mean you are the waste management experts.