AdmiralPatrick went about this the complete wrong way, and was salty as heck. There’s no excusing the blocklist implementation.

But… I don’t disagree with their sentiment.

That comment directed at db0 is abrasive and uncalled for. Yet. Just the other day, I saw a commenter highlight this:

“Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target.” Are they wrong though?

And among the comment maelstrom, db0’s reply was:

We’re not pacifists, no.

And of course my own take that I would rather not kill people was shot down vehemently. To think I almost joined db0 when I first found the Fediverse…

…What the fuck?

I don’t want to be close to a community like that.

One that just endorses calls for explicit violence and dances on people’s graves as long as the admin agrees with the target. One that boosts straight up misinformation as long as it has the “right” message. Lemmy.world seemed like it was on a trajectory to moderate that, but like the Tesseract dev observed, it sure doesn’t feel like that anymore.

Why would I wanna post about niche topics in a place like that?

In a place like this?

…Yeah, I don’t feel welcome here anymore, either. I haven’t for a while. If the trend holds, commenters are gonna call me out as being insufficiently anti-fascist, again.

I’m sick of that.

Maybe I’ll try blocking more spaces, and stick to niche discourse.

But if Lemmy’s current trajectory holds, and the bar for calling for violence is that low and spammed everywhere, I’m most certainly deleting my account, and leaving, too.

And of course my own take that I would rather not kill people was shot down vehemently.

> says you would rather not kill people
> makes account on liberal capitalist instance
> capitalism kills billions
> States do violence all the time
> liberal world order locked in climate disaster for all life

Make it make sense

LW is a capitalist instance? Are you fuckin’ high?

Yeah their admins are liberals, and liberals are capitalist.

Not what liberal means at all. 🤦‍♂️

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property, and equality before the law.

Sounds pretty capitalist to me 🤦‍♂️

I guess if you only read the first paragraph and not the second. Liberals can be capitalist; it doesn’t define liberalism.

Okay here we go:

Liberalism became a distinct movement in the Age of Enlightenment, gaining popularity among Western philosophers and economists. Liberalism sought to replace the norms of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, the divine right of kings, and traditional conservatism with *representative democracy*, rule of law, and equality under the law. Liberals also ended mercantilist policies, royal monopolies, and other trade barriers, instead promoting free trade and *marketization*. The philosopher

John goddamn fucking Locke

is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct tradition based on the social contract, arguing that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property, and governments must not violate these rights. While the British liberal tradition emphasized expanding democracy, French liberalism emphasized rejecting authoritarianism.

(Natural right is highlighted because it’s a spook of the mind and it’s inextricably interlinked with the existence of a divine being. I.e., it breaks once belief in a higher power breaks. Freedom is taken, not bestowed by God, nature, governments, etc. E.g., regardless of whether or not philosophers decided you have a natural right to clean water, you deserve clean water, rights be damned, and you ought to take the steps necessary to get it.)

Yeah sounds pretty capitalist to me. Like I deliberately did not talk about John Locke because I thought that would be cheating 😆

Liberals can be capitalist; it doesn’t define liberalism.

No lol. If you’re not a capitalist then you’re literally not a liberal either, you’re something else.