Similarly to AI, social media has been an incredibly disruptive and largely harmful technology. The recent days of hive mind abuse towards us are a great example. We're still using social media to publish information about GrapheneOS and communicate. We even have accounts on Facebook and LinkedIn.

No amount of abuse will change our minds about what we believe is the best way to approach the brave new world we live in. We'll continue doing what we believe is best for our users and the world.

An experimental branch in our Camera repository was rebased on top of main which results in the commits being orphaned.

Nothing in that experimental branch is against our publicly stated policies and none of it is hurting code quality. Only high quality code will be merged upstream as always.

We've renamed it from compose to compose-prototype to help address it being misrepresented.

Defederating abusive people and moving content to our top-level feed is also the opposite of a cover-up.

LineageOS and especially operating systems based on it are the opposite of privacy and security hardened. It does not appear to matter to people recommending moving to those throughout these threads that they use generative AI themselves:

https://github.com/LineageOS/charter/blob/main/ai-coding-assistants.md

Here's another recent thread addressing a way people are being misled:

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/117217086326813038

Motorola Mobility is wholly owned by Lenovo and has nothing to do with Motorola Solutions beyond a shared history prior to 2011.

@GrapheneOS i dont think theres anything brave about the new world .. contrary , its pussified ..if it was brave , OSs like graphene would be a default ..

@GrapheneOS Sucks that you're having to deal with all of these nutters when you're one of the most important independent and open organisations trying to help and improve things in the world, and for the people. Many of us support you.

@GrapheneOS The only real problem I have with GrapheneOS is that there is no pixel phones available in my country. That is a major problem for me and many others as it seems privacy is only available for people who can afford it or lucky enough to have it as an option. I use LineageOS instead, with very small changes to harden it. It's the only rom available for my device (that no longer receives vendor security patches). I am hoping that Motorola partnership will change this.

@alkatraz_200 @GrapheneOS
Obviously, you have a product that is not comparable to the rest, but the comparisons are hateful. People, in general, do what they can, much is that they decide to get out of the comfort of a phone full of bloatware. As you have already been told, not everyone has access or can afford to have a Pixel phone. If Motorolla can change this, well-help it be, but I doubt it could be at an affordable price, let alone at this precise moment.

@ferrebam @alkatraz_200 Posting accurate information in response to years of misinformation about GrapheneOS and attacks on our team is not hate.

What's hateful is what's directed towards us on this platform and elsewhere including by those projects.

What has happened on this platform over the past several days is even more of the irrational and unjustified hate we have experienced for years.

@GrapheneOS @ferrebam did other projects like LineageOS or CalyxOS attack the GrapheneOS team? Were these attacks made by users of these operating systems or the develepors?

@alkatraz_200 @ferrebam /e/ and Murena have been engaging in years of extreme ongoing attacks on our project and team directly from their leadership.

Calyx was attacking GrapheneOS for years prior to the recent change in leadership. CalyxOS was created as an offshoot of attacks on the GrapheneOS project by Copperhead which they were then involved in continuously.

iodéOS is closely partnered with a business and YouTuber relentlessly spreading misinformation about GrapheneOS and attacking us.

@GrapheneOS @ferrebam this is really sad to hear. I really hope open source projects that seem to care about the same values be more respectful to each other. Thank you for telling us this.

@alkatraz_200 @ferrebam None of those is privacy or security hardened. Each is heavily marketed as being something they are not and put users at risk. None does the bare minimum of keeping up with standard privacy/security updates and protections. None of those tries to protect users from privacy or security exploits.

Those projects call themselves private because they don't include Google apps, although they do include a bunch of Google services with privileged access unlike GrapheneOS.

@GrapheneOS @ferrebam MicroG isn't safe?

@alkatraz_200 @ferrebam See https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2082528167512641783#m for a much longer form response with a bunch of links providing additional information.

@GrapheneOS @ferrebam I have read and what the hell? This should be more known, thank you for posting this. I will definitely stop following murena. But this makes me wonder, is LineageOS also really unsecure or is it at least better than vendor stock android (for example oneui)?

@alkatraz_200 @ferrebam LineageOS lags substantially behind standard Android updates. Android 17 was released in June 2026 and is required for full privacy and security patches. They haven't moved to it for their stable releases yet. For Pixels and other devices which have already moved to Android 17, it's also required for firmware, driver and HAL updates.

LineageOS does not keep all the standard security model intact and outright breaks certain security features such as verified boot.

@alkatraz_200 @ferrebam It can be better than using the stock OS on devices where that's not receiving updates but bear in mind that means LineageOS isn't receiving half the important security updates either. Those devices aren't very safe to use regardless of OS choice. It's rapidly getting far worse due to AI models accelerating vulnerability discovery and exploit development. People spent years claiming it was fine due to not everyone being an exploit developer but now it's widely available.

@GrapheneOS @ferrebam my phone used to be Android 13 and it stopped getting security updates. If pixel was available im my country I would surely use GrapheneOS but I have no such option. Not at the moment at least. Speaking of being available, will the Grapheneos motorola phones be available in Turkey? Sorry if I asked too many questions at once, I really appreciate the responses.

@ferrebam @alkatraz_200 @GrapheneOS Not everyone can afford a Pixel, but Pixel a-series are one of the cheapest phones on the market. They are often between 300-400 Euro new and can be had for 200-300 Euro second-hand or refurbished.

Anything below that price bracket will simply be a disaster security-wise, not only lacking MTE and a secure element, but also getting irregular to no security updates.

@ferrebam @alkatraz_200 @GrapheneOS The companies that make 50-200 Euro phones are never going to make reliable monthly firmware, driver, and other security updates. It's nearly impossible at those margins.

Even companies with a huge sales volume, like Samsung, only offer quarterly updates on their budget models (A07, A17, A37, etc.).

Claiming that such phones are secure (even with GrapheneOS) would be a lie.

@ferrebam @alkatraz_200 @GrapheneOS The last Android security bulletin almost 100 high/critical vulnerabilities in the main Android system components and over 80 in vendor-specific components (counted them approximately).

Waiting for weeks or months to fix them is terribly irresponsible (which unfortunately applies to most Android OEMs).

These are not theoretical issues, last week there was a chain of a WeChat + Android vulns that gave 0-click remote root access:

https://calif.io/research/weworm

@danieldk @ferrebam @alkatraz_200 The patches can be shipped before they appear in Android Security Bulletins too despite nearly everyone still treated that as the initial date it can be shipped.

@danieldk @ferrebam @GrapheneOS Pixel phones are literally unavailable in my country. And even if I found a way to get a phone, I would have to register the IMEI which costs 1000 dollars... We need to push for as much as privacy and security as possible for as many people as possible. Even if that means using LineageOS on a samsung phone. Sometimes the BEST option isn't a possibility, so your option is the next best thing. Open source projects should support each other.

@alkatraz_200 @danieldk @GrapheneOS

For me, the key is to go in the same direction of mutual help and respect. Fights and "dramas" in open source projects have been too common. Let everyone do their best in their area and contribute, if they can the rest. Not everything is black or white, there are many nuances.

@alkatraz_200 @ferrebam @GrapheneOS I know, I was specifically addressing price. I hope gets better with more options, like the Motorola phones coming next year might get sold in different countries than Pixel.

If it is purely about security (I know other factors may be important to people, like the system being open source), iPhone is the next best thing. Yes, that's sad, but it is what it is.

@GrapheneOS Thanks I hate LineageOS for allowing LLM contributions too now

#LLM #LargeLyingMachine #LineageOS #VibeCoding #Programming

@GrapheneOS i am excited for the grapheneOS motorola collab if graphene os is truly what it claims to be as i have personally not given it a try because i don't feel like spending $600+ on a pixel 10 + i hate google. would love to also see a Samsung collab but thats probably unlikely to happen because Samsung has a stick up their ass with knox and locking their bootloader with UI 8.0

@GrapheneOS

I appreciate you continuing to post here. It's the main way I get my Graphene news. (But I would totally understand if you stopped.)

@GrapheneOS I for one would totally understand if you stopped posting here to prevent burnout.

@GrapheneOS Accountability looks like an attack when you aren't ready to take responsibility for your actions

#GrapheneOS

@ambiguous_yelp

Can you please expand on what kind of responsibility in here is to take?
I fail to see what the damage is and what the solution should be.
Maybe you can help dense people like me to have a better overview of the problem.

@GrapheneOS

@GrapheneOS you have to snatch the employer that jumped ship at anthropic for security conserns on a existinsion-level.. ASAP.. from what was communicated after some time to calm down it seems very likely he would be open to invest time into a humanitarian project.

@GrapheneOS Tanenbaum would be proud to hear your statement about monolithic kernel 😁

@yahniukov @GrapheneOS Tanenbaum should’ve open-sourced MINIX back then instead of playing dog in the manger.