Replying to @⁨return2ozma@lemmy.world⁩

Honestly I think this whole conversation is stupid.

It’s always been possible to photoshop a celebrity’s face onto a pornstar’s naked body. That’s been a thing for decades.

So you talk about guardrails to prevent AI from doing this, and you use the word ‘safety’- I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

To me, AI ‘safety’ is not accidentally creating an AI that will find a bunch of 0day exploits and use them to destroy the Internet. Making AI not spit out spicy pics has nothing to do with ‘safety’.

So if an AI model can spit out a naked pic of someone, honestly, I really don’t care. It’s shitty for sure, but if the big companies block it (which they probably can’t) some little operator will spring up and fill the gap.

Replying to an earlier post

There are no guardrails that will work with AI, full stop. They keep talking about that in the hopes of avoiding regulation but the truth is that the models and the stolen data they’re trained on will keep popping up nudes as long as that was in the training data. So you either ban GenAI at scale (great for humanity but oops the economy) or you ban the use of training on data that includes nudes.

But the issue is not a better version of a photoshop of “some celebrity”, kids are doing this to each other because it’s so easy to do. Do you want to explain to a thirteen year old how it’s not a big deal if someone is passing around realistic nudes of them that were AI-generated? Will people always be dicks to each other? Of course, but that doesn’t mean as a society we should allow it to be so readily available that kids who aren’t even old enough to drive should have one-click access to it.

Personally I’d prefer if every data center disappeared tomorrow and AI companies were held liable for the theft they’ve orchestrated and the harm they’ve done. Short of that though, something needs to be done and it’s likely going to have to be regulations on the training data because their “guardrails” are shit and always will be. This isn’t inevitable and the only way to stop it is to start telling the AI companies, “No, you can’t do that.” If some clanker wanker in his parents basement wants to make an AI girlfriend, that’s on him.

Replying to @⁨geekwithsoul@piefed.social⁩

The cat’s out of the bag at this point. Expecting the problem to be solved by controlling a centralized access point is a fool’s errand. Local models exist and, once this bubble pops, the hardware will be more accessible, maybe even on unbiquitous equipment like phones. And even absent models, there are plenty of people on the internet willing to violate local laws for an Amazon gift card.

Imagine this same problem for film photography. The solution would be all film developers are regulated and would lose their license for releasing certain kinds of photos. People will just develop their own film or fly-by-night operators will do it without a license.

Edited ⁨⁨Oct⁩ ⁨15⁩, ⁨2026⁩, ⁨14:02⁩⁩en

Replying to an earlier post

Disagree strongly about all this being inevitable. And not taking a stand against mega-billion dollar companies enabling this is ridiculous, IMO.

To take your example of the photo industry, we have laws on the books against certain types of photography being either produced, in your possession, or sharing them. Why should GenAI be any different? If a server delivers you a nude image of someone without their consent and/or underaged, the company that owns that server has produced and distributed something actionable.

And sure, local models can and do exist, but hell, most people aren’t even willing to get off Windows and move to Linux - you think many folks are going to be paying for the hardware and developing/training their own local models? The same rules that keep beastiality/CP/etc (mostly) off the net can be used against them if they try and share them. And most importantly, by doing that, society says that kind of thing is not acceptable. Traffic laws aren’t enforced 100% of the time, but can you imagine what kind of hellscape it would be if we didn’t have them at all?