soo many stupid things with this... but this one i thougt funny.. its like the poopholeloophole... restaurant wifi is exempt

It would also exclude Wi-Fi networks offered on the premises of airports, libraries, restaurants, retail stores, and similar establishments.

Your loophole will be closed in a few months, by hook or by crook. Either local wifi admin will prevent piracy, or the isp will cut service.

ha, no sense throwing any real logic at this mess, it wont happen. they want to filter vpns.. hahahhaha right.

these people are so far removed from the tech and its implementation its actually funny. theyre trying to legislate a water-holding sieve, physics be damned. hilarious!

I’m not sure what the logic of excluding Wifi is from this; seems like you’d have to intentionally introduce a misunderstanding to justify it because it makes no sense.

I wonder if someone is going to go around chucking solar enabled pi’s onto the roofs of fast food joints and set them up with wireguard or headscale and sell it as proxy network.

I love this idea 😆

Tossing self-powering rogue access points onto roofs to get around fascistic legal censorship by proxy of VPNs through McDonalds is one of the most we-have-entered-the-Matrix sentences ever.

Someone should submit this technique as an article to 2600

I’ll be honest, I’ve thought about doing this for a decade but I’ve never had a need to.

I’ve been wanting to do this since 2013

Non of the people pirating content have money to buy more stuff. These tens of billions they talk about don’t exist.

Non of the people pirating content have money to buy more stuff

How DARE you!

My piracy is morally; not financially driven

Mine’s mostly financial, my moral objection is to streaming shows where, even if you have money, you can’t buy the show on DVD.

Though I wonder if streaming legally and ripping illegally would be the next viable option. Netflix’s 720p streams are largely unprotected.

Mine is accessibility driven.

Oh, wanted to watch that series from last year to end? Too bad, it’s gone now.

My wife and I have a game we play sometimes. We pick a title, and then we have a sort of race: can we find a way to watch something the “right” way before we are able to torrent it?

If you’re using a semi colon, you need to make sure it’s a stand-alone sentence on both sides.

You might be the only person in the country that knows how to use semi colons then. I thought it was just when you are already breaking apart a sentence in commas and want a list within one of those comma breaks.

If you mean like when you’re creating a list of items that already contain commas, such as New York, NY; Boston, MA; and Sacramento, CA, then that is also a valid use of semicolons.

My error was writing my sentence with a valid semicolon, then editing the sentence structure without replacing the semicolon with a comma before posting.

If you’re using standalone as an adjective, you need to make sure it’s hyphenated or a single word.

Thanks, fixed

We standing on principal over here. I’ll continue supporting indie devs and small projects but mega corp has too much and won’t be getting anything from me.

I would be surprised if most US politicians are capable of understanding the concept of duplicating files on a computer

“…it’s more like a series of tubes.”

https://youtu.be/_cZC67wXUTs

You are correct. It’s like expecting car salesmen to be able to understand how to do brain surgery.

Most politicians are failed lawyers. And if they are too incompetent or corrupt to be representing people or entities in court, they sure are hell shouldn’t be making calls about anything in society or in the political realm. And that obviously includes technology.

Remember when late Alaska Senator Ted Stevens described (with great confidence) that the Internet “is like a series of tubes”? Classic example of their wider incompetence right there.

that guy made ytmnd twice as entertaining back in the day

intertubes.ytmnd.com

tubesdance.ytmnd.com

Hilariously, despite Senator Stevens’ crotchety ignorance on the subject, the Internet is something you can just dump something on like a big truck, thanks to social media and file hosting sites, and it is a series of tubes in a lot of ways, one literal. He was accidentally correct!

Mine is mostly convenience. I’m not going to try to figure out which of a dozen streaming sites have a show or movie that I want to watch, and manage all those subscriptions. I could probably figure out a way to afford them, but my time is more valuable.

You think they care about things like facts, or logic? No. This is, and always has been about control.

Even the business side of things know piracy doesn’t actually hurt business, it helps it. They’ve conducted studies on this since 2004. They found that the vast majority of pirates are actually the biggest spenders. They found more often than not a pirate will download a movie, or an album or a game, or whatever. Then within a month buy that same thing they just pirated.

Thats the reason you used to see these record labels try to stop piracy back in the days of kazaa and napster, and limewire. There used to be lawsuits where they’d sue some household for 20 million dollars. Knowing they don’t have it. Well what ended up happening is they ended up suing this elderly man who had no idea what limewire was. He didn’t know how to use a computer. And the only one who used the computer was the 8 year old boy, who now had to live with his grandpa, because both his parents were killed by a drunk driver. Now this record label was trying to put his grandfather 20 million in debt. For someone who had no idea who the black eyed peas. When they kept asking him about it, he asked why they kept asking him about soup if this was about music theft.

As the case went on, it was revealed that between his parents, and other family members, he had a cd collection, including the albums accused of stealing, worth over $5,000 worth of cds.

The whole thing turned the public against record labels, and painted them as the bad guys for trying to ruin peoples lives over music. To this day I haven’t heard of another time they tried that tactic.

And the republicans know this.

You have to remember one thing. The cruelty is the point. It doesn’t need to make sense. It just needs to punish their enemies. And at times even punish their own base. I saw a story last night where a guy who voted for trump was complaining that insulin used to be $6, and now it’s $80 under trumps new plan. And he said “I didn’t think it would happen to ME!”

And thats where we are right now. Just leaving the fuck around stage. Now entering the find out portion of our journey.

I use those to train my AI though. It’s not piracy if there’s money.

“Sonarr has escaped containment 😱!!!”

It was openai or meta that claimed because they didn’t seed the torrent that it wasn’t really piracy.

So piracy only starts becoming bad when it takes the form of communism/socialism lol.

The theft for a major corperation? Thats just good ol reliable capitalism.

Oh, I run a new company called FaceMeta, and this is all being stolen for “training” - therefore perfectly 100% legal according to capitalism

To Tor everyone

I2P if you’re “just” doing some pirating.

I only need it for debian-live-XX.X.X-amd64-kde.iso

A netizen of culture.

we shut have migrated to I2P already IMO. So if you have not already look in to I2P.

How does that replace everything?

Replace everything? Not what I said. But moving over to I2P for piracy would be good.

Your ISP can’t really block it. No DNS needed Doesnt need any form of VPN.

It’s dog slow though.

It is not as fast as the clear web. That’s true. But if you are willing to wait a bit longer for something you are fine.

Thank GOD! ONLY Billionaires should be Allowed to Pirate EVERYTHING EVER MADE!

-Republicans!

Life, uh, finds a way.

Peer to peer it is.

How does that work?

I’m no expert, but some examples I know of are:

Tribler: a bittorrent-based app with built-in search and some extra security compared to regular bittorrent.

Nicotine+ and similar apps: clients for the Soulseek network, where you download an entire file from a single peer. Also searchable.

There’s no need to use a website for either of these.

Very interesting, first I’ve heard of them. I’d live to hear more, to help diversify my aquisition of Linux isos of course

Then they’ll make certain ports illegal

Peer to peer running on Port 443, the standard port for https, as we do now using stealth vpns and such.

Couldn’t you use a VPN to VPN to another country that doesn’t block piracy sites, then use a VPN to pirate?

Yes, and you should probably be doing that now anyway.

Any recommendations on what country to VPN through?

Not specifically no. Either you’ll want a country with good privacy laws that will make it bureaucratically challenging to get your VPN provider’s logs (the provider should be in such a country as well) or a country that isn’t in great terms with this one.

But the location of the operator in important too. If you’re using a VPN server in Somaliland (I don’t even know if such a thing exists), but the operator is in Pittsburgh - you’re not doing yourself any favors.

TIL

A federated VPN verse you say?

“Site-blocking orders force any service provider, from residential broadband providers to global DNS resolvers, to disrupt traffic from targeted websites simply accused of copyright infringement.”

I know a few sites I can accuse of copyright infringement… (x, M$, FB, etc.)

how do they plan to enforce this with foreign VPNs?

Don’t try to explain technology to them. It won’t work.

You see, it’s a series of tubes…

Are you sure it’s not a big truck?

they’ll try to pass it anyway. if republicants lose majority, it’ll be a horrific couple of months as they try to ram and cram every piece of shit legislation they can think of through before the new session starts.

Make those illegal too probably

Probably best we just let them think they got one over on us.

At a guess, tariffs. “Tariffs” is also the answer to all the other questions.

I think they could order Visa / Mastercard / etc. to ban payments to that entity, but 99% of the cases there are ways around it, just ask Putin, he always knows a way to sell petrol to EU / US

See the Autistici/Inventati debacle

Like if they do this, I’m just not going to buy the stuff unless getting. I WOULD buy ebooks but most are DRM locked and can’t be loaded onto my e-reader, for example. Most the games I grab haven’t been sold for over 10 years by their publishers.

Most authors will GLADLY sell you DRM-free EPUBs if you ask them.

ebook sales are some of the worst payouts for authors so whenever they can, they sell them directly. Many list them on e.g. Patreon for a monthly fee, or offer a form of direct purchase, because all that money goes directly to them.

I wish so bad more people understood this shit. Our brain dead society can literally only process “bUY On tEH aMAZoON??!!”

People now are idiots and can’t even search the web to find where to buy a product (usually cheaper directly from the manufacturer if they do shipping), they sure as hell aren’t gonna find an author on patreon.

This opens doors to manipulate right-wing sites into being blocked.

Edit: p

VPNs?

… ok good luck

Legally mandated return to office.

My office network isn’t even physically at the office… Most of us don’t know where it is (and we don’t need to). I think that’s by design.

America’s small businesses cannot afford to be treated as ‘acceptable collateral damage’ for multibillion-dollar entertainment and sports industries.”

“some of you will not make it but that’s a sacrifice i’m willing to make”

What kind of surveillance practices does it codify to do this? Too often y’all realize it’s stupid and don’t remember that stupidity is often a smokescreen.

"Issa argued that online piracy helps fund terrorist groups and other criminal networks. ". I never thought of AI companies as terrorists, but it’s a good label for the harm it’s caused

Um… Piracy funds terrorist groups? Handing out software for free earns money?

Well, technically it can, in that some piracy installs things that make them money, and that can go for their private gain or their pet projects. Kinda like how google offers you free products that make money for them.

the ironic part of this is in some cases it can. Pirate broadcasts and media boxes are becoming increasingly common to have subscription models for way cheaper than you would having the traditional streaming subs.

We are in a world where even piracy is starting to cost money in some cases fair cause convienence, but its still weird to think about. Everything always goes full circle.

That’s been the talk track since back on VHS. Apparently copying that tape from Block Buster went straight into buying drugs and weapons.

There was a very weird PSA video I think they put out there at the beginning of some of them.

Edit, yup: youtu.be/qcrrZ8X3UKM

Piracy keeps the poors occupied and busy so they don’t riot. There’s no blood left to squeeze from that rock, they’re not going to buy streaming. Games are in decline as systems die of go outdated, and corporate erodes the quality of development.

They’re idiots if they push this bill in earnest.

Look what happened the last time people had too much time on their hands (Covid). And everyone has a lot more to pissed about, now.

Your last paragraph crossed my mind recently as the oil prices really start to spiral out of control. There were so many protests bordering on riots because people were stuck at home due to covid - now we’re already hearing news that truckers are starting to sit idle instead of driving at a loss.

Imagine how much free time and how much anger everyone will have when the economy grinds to a halt from product shortages all over the country.

gizmodo.com/are-truckers-really-going-on-strike-o…

I’ve heard plenty of times in the past that truckers will strike over this or that, and I’d like to actually see it happen. It would stop everything in three days or so.

Usually what happens is we get a couple of videos of truckers going slow and blocking the highway, but not much else.

I didn’t hear about a strike, I just heard there were a few parking their trucks as it didn’t make sense to work just to pay for fuel

I’d love to think people would’ve protested racism and gross police incompetencies ending in death regardless, but it’s highly unlikely.

Even the storming of the Bastille had to wait for nice weather.

Locking away the poors’ access to distraction could very well be that “nice weather”.

Both of those things were protested when George Floyd was murdered. But only so much can be accomplished through protesting.

Right but sometimes conditions have to be right for it is my point. And the riots/orotests (depending) were more intense and publicized than prior. Not sure the results would’ve been the same in January. People like to think better of themselves, but background human behavior variables guide things too. Outside in January? Probably not unless your MN, WI, or MI. (There a culture of pride in weathering cold weather in the upper Midwest that doesn’t reallly sway them.) April though? Yes please, for most.

Getting to this point, doing it on scheduled work days, is step one. The energy has to be there before anything else can ignite.

Agreed, I think it was a perfect storm of a truly egregious murder and a population who had a uniquely unusual amount of free time to do something about it

And how exactly do you plan on curbing addressing through cryptographic hashes, instead of IP addresses directly, where client and server are separated through intermediary nodes? If the site exists on an anonymizing network (like I2P or TOR), it becomes a lot harder to identify the IP address of centralized services, and impossible where decentralized. Well, unless you go fully authoritarian, and only allow weakened encryption standards: exploited by authorities, and others aware of ways to exploit the weaknesses.

But I suppose this further disincentivizes ordinary, less tech-savvy, would-be “pirates”, that need the clear-web for torrent links… Which we should make our responsibility, to enrich the knowledge of said persons, so that they can bypass regulations of governments, that fundamentally act against their best interests. It’s time for people to rediscover torrenting, like many households did in the 2000’s, instead of giving away their freedoms to subscriptions, purely for the sake of short-term convenience.

They don’t give a shit about any of that they just say “jump” and expect people to do something in response

Yeah, I’ll jump…

…onto them and take them to the ground as I beat the shit out of them.

Oh look a distraction that also gets corporate donors. Its also divisive and gets people talking.

Probably the most pressing issue of the day. Surely there is nothing else to work on.

I have a seedbox in a country that gives no fucks, so I’ll just use a DNS provider in a country that gives no fucks. You can make it harder, but you can’t make it impossible.

And it’s not like it’s so much harder to press a few extra buttons. Bonus: you’re safer online, so if anyone wants to go down the road, they’ll just be safer online.

They’re all a bunch of fucking idiots, the people making these bills.

Wish people would realize they are NOT idiots.

This erodes privacy and allows character assassinations on anyone who wants to be safe and/or private by using those VPN that do not comply. Is your mega ISP really going to stand up for your rights under this? Can you really get a new ISP at the “press of a few buttons”?

You aren’t the only one here not understanding how “this doesn’t directly affect me” bc you have the technical skills to avoid it. It does affect you, even if only by the chilling effect of it being more difficult to discuss online.

Well, they are idiots, for “as long as men die, liberty will never perish”. But that doesn’t mean they are harmless, we do need to push back against anything like this, not just allow it to happen because “I can press a few buttons”

Draconian control of how we use the technology of the internet.

It’d really be nice if “Huh. This protects corporate interests more than taxpayer interests. Denied.” was a thing in government.

One of the pillars of the capitalism these fucks claim to love so much is that if you can’t exist on a fair playing field against competitors you don’t get the right to keep existing.

Then they’d try to get around it by paying lots of taxes!

*laughs in Murican corporate*

Right now, legal wonks are considering the necessity of abolishing or tightly regulating judicial review. While we’re used to SCOTUS copaganda, e.g. Brown v. Board of Education or Roe v. Wade there are a whole lot more Dred Scott v. Sandfords in history. Citizens United v. FEC, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, and Louisiana v. Callais are only a few recent examples. SCOTUS has typically sided against human civil rights and for business property rights ever since Marbury v. Madison.

It turns out that most of our evolved civil liberties were passed through politics (id est, through Congress and signed by the President. And SCOTUS often struck them down, so it had to be done multiple times.

Getting the Democratic party to overhaul the Supreme Court (and potentially the entire federal court system) is another story, and may require public pressure, but it’s a critical step if we’re going to try to make the US democratic and public-serving.

If we don’t, If we don’t uncapture SCOTUS and then ironclad it so it doesn’t get captured again, then we’ll be right back where we are now, and next time the US might become a one party autocracy.

To be fair, we may not make it this time. It’s like the goblin army at Minas Tirith, a lot of things have to go right in succession if the US is to become a public-serving liberal democracy.

There are literally open DNS providers who run their own networks. Good luck.

meaning, “Block whichever sites we say.”

Yet another FREEDOM bill from the Party of FREEDOM

FREEDUMB! 'Merica, fuck yeah!!

Yet another FREEDOM™ bill from the Party of FREEDOM™

FTFY

Laughs in I2P

I tested I2P a number of years ago and havent messed with it since. Been wanting to get back into setting it up for torrenting on my server. Will have to do some research and set it back up this weekend. Nows a better time than any I guess. Thanks for the reminder to start again.

I tried it again recently as a comparison to Tor and I much prefer the “everyone is a node” system + full TCP and UDP support, but the main downside is throughput/bandwidth.

It’s excellent if you’ve got time but I wish they would bump the default node share limits so thst the network runs faster.

Yeah, I do know its alot slower. I at least want to get it set up as a fallback if this bullshit the governments are doing actually happens.

How do you get started?

If I remember correctly its setting up a software I2P router on your OS and setting up your browser to only go through that router. Like I said its been a long time since I used it and need to look it up how to set it up and use it again.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=C0tbAFccn8E

m.youtube.com/watch?v=KhG29riqVUE

Thanks!

Meta, X, and ChatGPT have all automated mass piracy of art, music, articles, and anything their genAI touches. Surely you mean to start there?

Its only illegal when peasants do it, not when billionaires do it. *

*it being anything.

That explains the demonic sex cult…

They want to lock down file sharing so no one else can use the data to build AI now that they have it

That’s probably why they want regulation

This. Totally this. Illicit recording of live broadcast radio performances of black jazz and blues artists in the 20’s and 30’s was how the major labels got their coffers large enough to start to change laws to protect them from others doing what they did to those original musicians.

The copyright enforcement laws came into place once they’d established themselves by breaking copyrights.

Utter cunts.

Oh we’re voting on shit again? Let’s vote on Kegsbreath’s impeachment then.

We know they think corporations are people, but they’re not the only people they should be serving.

I’m afraid SCOTUS believes you are wrong, which is why it’s so open to rolling back human rights, and hobbling regulatory bodies so that corporations can violate rights with impunity.

If you tell a joke that you heard from somebody else to a friend you’re breaking the Copyright of the creator of the joke.

If Copyright was strictly enforced it would constantly intrude in people’s lives and pretty much everybody would turn against it.

You don’t need to copyright it. Everything is copyrighted by default. You can decide to relax your copyright protection if you want, but the © symbol isn’t some magic spell. The sign kinda makes it look like it works the other way.

The sign isn’t meant to be taken literal. It’s hyperbole.

An who decides what is piracy? The facists? This is a bad idea.

For people who hate the government, they sure like using it to oppress everyone else.

Yup, all “rules for thee, not for me” isn’t it?

Actually they (Republicans) love the government, specifically because it pays them money to pass corporate protectionism bills. Remember, when Republicans take over and lock out the Democrats, then:
~ They no longer need Republican votes, so officials no longer have to serve their constituents
~ The Executive no longer needs Congress, so their money train is in jeopardy.
~ The businesses no longer need lobbyists, so their money train is in jeopardy.

(Considering the level of incompetence we’ve seen in the federal government lately, it’s possible that our congresscritters haven’t fully thought this through.)

We’re in the AI age now, which has shown us IP laws mean nothing when an entire major industry wants to violate them. This has always been true, as the studios and record labels pirated all the time, but it wasn’t as open and in the sunlight as it is with AI development. And Big AI is currently propping up the entire stock market.

It turns out IP laws never meant anything anyway. Copyrights and patents were justified as temporary monopolies to promote science and the useful arts, specifically to produce a robust public domain.

Except it does neither. Artists and scientists are rarely the copyright holders, and to get to own their own stuff, they need to be hot property (still making content) and have good lawyers. Also, the temporary monopolies have become permanent in practice. (much thanks to Walt Disney.) SCOTUS has not only refused to see the public as a stakeholder, but has taken things out of the public domain, so it has to be licensed again, in defiance of the Constitution of the United States.

So now IP law is only a rent-seeking racket. Especially now since you need subscriptions to use your appliances.

But as Sony has made clear for us in 2026, if purchasing isn’t owning, then piracy isn’t a copyright violation.

This bill is a technology solution and has technology countermeasures. They can order ISPs DNSes and VPNs to block piracy sites, but those sites change all the time, and can do so faster than it takes to update the registries. Furthermore, when services don’t follow through, they will get more usage (and will make more money) so there’s a perverse incentive to slow walk the updates, and not talk to whoever makes the lists.

We learned this a long time ago when the biggest selling point of ISPs was free porn and free movies.

Like encryption with backdoors for law enforcement, there’s no way to nerd harder to make it work.

It also depends on foreign service offerings cooperating with US law. Unless we build the Great Firewall of the US (which, I’m sure, is on the table), US offerings will be obligated to follow the law while foreign ones do not, which will run against the interests of local businesses.

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protectes [sic] but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

Motherfucker, I used to have a vaporwave looken one of this due to a decoding error on an old phone and was going to post it but now I can’t find the sombitch. Fack.

From the article:

Issa argued that online piracy helps fund terrorist groups and other criminal networks.

Piracy is only okay for AI companies.

Wait until critizism of The Glorious Party and Our Beloved Supreme Leader is considered “piracy”.

We got a DNS-based censorship law in Denmark ages ago. It was strictly for blocking child pornography. Today the list also includes: Unlicensed gambling sites, piracy, as well as a handful of sites that “doesn’t contain CSAM or other obviously illegal content” (old source, but nothing has really changed except probably the amount of websites on the list)

Censorship will never be limited to what it was first set in motion for. It is just too powerful and it is too tempting to not expand it to cover other “nuisances” a government or its lobbyists might have. If the barrier of entry is just adding a new string to a list, they’re gonna add that string to the list.

And if you want to circumvent it you just point your DNS to Quad9, Cloudflare, Google, or any of the DNS services that doesn’t implement the filter (including at least one Danish DNS service), so in essence it is pretty useless for the target groups it’s meant for.

Indeed. It starts with implementing the means, arguing with CSAM, terrorism, foreign espionage, or whatever cow is on the main street, and once it is running, it will be abused, both by broadly extending the reach (‘It was initially meant to fight terrorism, but is now used to cover copyright and parking violations.’), and illegal abuse by users (‘Police officer tracks his ex through Flock cameras’).

Quoting the president’s actual words is unauthorized reproduction!

While trump uses any fucking song he wants to for his two-fisted entropy dance.

So it’ll block ChatGPT and others?

Nah

Why don’t we just make the internet baded in Antarctica so that then all the country nations of state do habe the ability to as impetus describes all the borders do that which come out. Obviously, this eould just solve the internet. We know it do gooder is me being. Obviously.

Wait till they pull the “protect kids” card

If it did not mean so much suffering, I would have been laughing my ass out for years now

Will this affect non-browser based file-sharing software like Soulseek?

so its the freedom they talk about alls the times?

for ISPs it might happen For DNSs it could happen to some extent For VPNs, i highly doubt that.

i2p truly is going to be the future.