If it’s from Meta in any way: No.

Same, even though that’s my favorite color :)

No camera but it will six microphones.

And a camera!

Not a camera! A ‘digital imaging device’. With AI!. Thats constantly connected! And it all happens on device! Encrypted for your safety! Trust us bro!

“They ‘trust me’. Fucking idiots.”

-Mark Zuckerberg

It’s not even the glasses alone, it’s that it’s one more major part of the ENTIRE surveillance state that is growing around us. It is being sold to us as this great new future, but we are all very aware of what they really intend to do with it, which is enslave us in every way possible.

They are denying it, of course, claiming that this will make our futures easier, and more fun, but we KNOW these people, and they are not interested in making our lives easier or more enjoyable. Just the opposite, in fact. They want us working every second of our miserable lives to increase their personal profits. To them, that’s ALL we are good for.

To us, they have ALL the money and power. Let’s take that from them before they use it to kill everyone who resists them, because we all KNOW that’s what’s coming.

The camera-free glasses, code-named Luna, will still feature an array of six microphones to allow users to speak to the company’s AI chatbot and its recently-released AI assistant, called Muse. They’ll presumably pick up audio from users’ environments as well, where bystanders may not be aware of the eavesdropping.

Stalker glasses

No no no no. You evil tech bros are supposed to be endlessly re-inventing trains. Did you even study in evil tech bro school, bro?

Zuckerfuck has no shame.

And also no vision. Dudes always been a late follower after the latest fad, hoping throwing crazy amount of money at it will compensate for being late to the party.

If he didn’t have controlling ownership over the company, he’d have been booted out years ago.

Well yeah. One lf the requirements of being a billionaire is having no shame.

The other requirement is sociopathy.

So… sunglasses?

This is still surveillance, just with audio instead of video.

But this actually creates a new problem: wearers of pervert glasses have plausible deniability. “Are you filming me?” “Who, me? Oh no, these ones don’t have cameras. Trust me”.

I think the new problem is exactly what they want to achieve.

I think so too.

Don’t forget logging every Bluetooth and WiFi device (mobile and hardwired) with location and timestamp and sending it all to meta for “tailoring ads”

Kinda makes a body want to figure out some sort of RPi+battery+automated exploit doodad to throw in one’s backpack to confuse/brick/pwn the creeperShades

BLE spam is already a functionality of the Flipper Zero but I’m not sure how much it actually hinders the data harvesters

Yep, it’s just meant to muddy the waters. Pretty common tactic, especially from these big tech companies.

So how about those state all-party-consent wiretap laws?

One, there's only a couple of two party states. Two, that only applies to telecommunications. You can secretly record audio and video anywhere that it's legal to unsecretly record it.

Not trying to be argumentative or pedantic, but:

1. There are eleven states (California, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington), covering around 1/3rd of the US population with all-party-consent wiretap laws.
2. States have slightly different wording, but like hidden camera statutes, it typically applies to electronically recorded communications and not just telecommunications.
3. That isn’t really correct. I assume you’re talking about the exception where there is no expectation of privacy. There are separate hidden camera laws that require disclosure at times even in public places, and even for wiretap some statutes are written in such a way that even public places with semi-private areas (e.g., a separated dinner table at a restaurant where your conversation may not be heard by others) may still support an expectation of privacy.

In all, since wiretap statutes are criminal statutes and Meta executives in theory could be charged if Meta is not only enabling but also directly receiving recordings from users, it’s a pretty crazy risk they’re taking.

All totally fair, I appreciate the correction.

To be fair, this is not that different from the always-on, always-listening phones in everyone’s hands now.

It’s drastically different, wtf are you on about

In what way?

Are we assuming that phones aren’t listening all the time and glasses are?

Or that you can theoretically turn off always listening on phones but not on glasses?

Or that the phones are Apple / Google / Samsung, etc, but the glasses are Meta, so that’s different?

Or just that phones are already out of the barn, and one listening device per person is bad enough, but glasses we will have a chance to regulate with common sense data privacy laws?

I mean, your phone isn’t constantly pointing his cameras at other people’s face and using meta’s database to gather information on the people you’re filming, that’s already a big difference.

Then you have different options to deGAFAM your phones. I personalky use graphene but I get most people are not there yet.

Don’t get me wrong, phones are obviously the most common spying devices out there, but jt’s definitely not to the level of these dystopian glasses.

That is a good point about having graphene as an option on some phones.

I was talking about the version of the glasses that will be sold without cameras.

Other folks covered it better than I can

Where? Are you talking about the camera version or the mic-only version?

One other argument i can think of is that with phones, it is suspected that they are passing what they listen to up to cloud servers for ads and stuff, but hard to confirm.

With the glasses they will definitely be sending data from microphone to Meta’s servers.

I see audio scrambler projects blowing up in the near future.

So… Glasses?

What I love about the internet sometimes is that the literal thought that I had - the literal comment, character for character - I wanted to make is already here.

Not unless your normal glasses do all this: “The camera-free glasses, code-named Luna, will still feature an array of six microphones to allow users to speak to the company’s AI chatbot and its recently-released AI assistant, called Muse. They’ll presumably pick up audio from users’ environments as well, where bystanders may not be aware of the eavesdropping.”

No. Glasses with always-on microphones, internet connectivity and logging everything anyone is doing themselves + the people around them. So not much better than the current ones.

Lidar glasses incoming

So your telling me I can go into a mirror maze and not be so nervous? Psh, finally found a use case. Wait how much are they?.. nevermind

I miss the time when sunglasses made you look cool. Fuck you, Zuckerberg.

People this fucking stupid shouldn’t have this much wealth and power

How does this beat a glasses and earphone combo. You take the glasses off but still enjoy the use of the earphones that way.

My favourite part of this is that Zuck was so out of ideas that he tried to reinvent Google Glass at great expense and is running into exactly the same social brick wall that project did.

To be fair, people have become more stupid / subservient, to the point I can see why someone would think “let’s try that again”.

So those glasses that Amazon made a few years back? (Probably still do)

How’s it supposed to do Augmented Reality without a camera?

They don’t do AR anyway. They’re just glasses with a camera, a mic, and headphones.

You can actually thank Meta for wrecking AR for the foreseeable future, because AR glasses currently need cameras for position tracking, and Meta make sure everyone views the cameras as a threat.

But these also have display: www.meta.com/fi/ai-glasses/meta-ray-ban-display/

They don’t do AR? Then what’s even the point?

Being a creep who also looks ugly.

So… Just glasses with headphones in them?

the only interesting version had a display.

“Oh, don’t worry, these are actually the Meta Glasses Freedom©®™. They’re actually pretty innovative! I can go off-grid while still feeling so connected to all my feeds! Instead of recording to the cloud, I can use my new Freedoms©®™ to record moments directly to my brain using the new Facebook BAM technology. Yup, these babies don’t have a single semiconductor, but Zuck still managed to somehow run Brain Access Memory on them! The best part is how cheap they are! Nearly half the price, and you get a 10% discount on their AI subscription since these glasses don’t actually transfer any data. But that subscription lets the Meta Glasses Freedom©®™ assist me with directly accessing memories whether the glasses were present or not! It’s a pretty sweet deal, if you really think about it.”

I don’t think this is going to sell well.

Any stupid mofo wearing them Zuck specs, meet this kid:

Why do you need glasses at all for a version with no camera? Can’t someone just wear earbuds in that case? Can’t someone’s regular bluetooth (or even tethered) earbuds just talk to the phone in their pocket to do everything?

A glasses with a display were always my dream. But with actually good controls, which it looks like the current iteration of pervert glasses actually have, it’s more than I ever dreamed for. You can display a minimap there, you can do some media control, display relevant info if you’re working on something, speaker’s notes when you do the presentation, the possibilities are numerous.
If there will be a distinct version without a camera I might actually consider overcoming my hate for Zuck’s bullshit (but more probably I’ll wait for zuckless version)

I know it is your dream. But, doing a presentation while wearing sunglasses indoor doesn’t exactly transmit humanity, connection nor empathy. I would nope out of that presentation. Everything else is just an app. They are all non-critical things, they don’t require a HUD.

Anyways, that’s irrelevant because meta glasses don’t have screens. So, no AR functionality.

So if there’s no hud, and also no camera, Zuck is now just in the ugly sunglasses business?

They’re just impractical Bluetooth headphones.

I like to think my version is the truth. Like Zuck is trying to convince everyone that they look cool for real you guys, so that he can put the cameras back in later.

They don’t have to be sunglasses. Google glasses worked how many years ago.

They are all non-critical things

I mean, nothing strictly speaking is. But having hands-free screen actually opens some nice possibilities that holding a phone in your hand doesn’t afford.

Anyways, that’s irrelevant because meta glasses don’t have screens. So, no AR functionality.

Wait, they don’t? What the fuck is the point then.

To be a creepy perv. It was obvious since first revealed.

Also, Google glasses were just as creepy. Thy worked in the technical sense. Complete social and market failure though.

Also, Google glasses were just as creepy.

I mean yeah, but again, remove a camera and it’s actually a very useful product for a very specific purpose.

I will say the point, it is an extension of your phone essentially. A very expensive, pointless, and ultimately creepy extension.

It’s like buying a smart watch, so you can ask it stuff, and not use anything else it can do. When your phone can probably still listen to you perfectly fine.

Wait, they don’t? What the fuck is the point then.

To make things worse.

These Meta glasses do have screens: www.meta.com/fi/ai-glasses/meta-ray-ban-display/

Bad news, Apple is trying to figure out how to add cameras to airpods.

Great. Now I not only have to listen to other people in public talking on their phones but now talking to their glasses.

People are already wearing airpods and having LLM conversations.

Went to get glasses and made a big point of avoiding Ray Bands for taking Facebook money to make pervert glasses. Hoping it’s not the first time they’ve heard that.

I do actually like the classic nerd look of their glasses, but yeah, fuck that.

FYI, Ray Ban is just a brand name owned by the same company that owns most well known glasses brands.

Once you realize how consolidated the eyeglass industry is its a lot harder to find truly independent brands.

Anyone reading this there is still value in undermining the investment the conglomerate made in purchasing raybans.

Noooo! Well, I tried. I can’t remember which I got, but not a brand I recognized. I’ll have to look them up

I not only have to pay to see, but I have also to pay huge markups for it??? Fucking hell.

It was always weird to me how expensive glasses and lenses were, now I’m just pissed at being right.

Yep. I go to Costco now because I’m blind in one eye so the correction is only for the other eye. Costco only charges me 50% of the normal lens cost and the blind eye just gets a balance lens (weight matched to the other without correction).

I’ve walked out with a brand new pair of lenses and frames for $30 after my eye “insurance”.

That’s why I cut out the middle man. I place a screen at a predictable distance from my face all the time and let the cameras autofocus. AI makes everyone hot too.

The ads are a bitch though, but the Ritalin I got from Hims helps.

I had to get glasses for the first time, and the first ones i liked, just by looking at 1000 glasses and being completely lost were ray bens. I made an audible eew and kept looking. The lady was probably a bit confused

Congratulations on joining Team Four-Eyes.

Great! A product for people who may not be perverts but like sucking the cock of an evil corporation!

You gotta admit that’s a huge market.

Fucking perverts

I’m out of the loop, what’s up with the glasses?

they are creep glasses with hidden cameras that record people in public and can use AI to identify people and find their social medias and shit at a glance.

supposed to have an LED that indicates when the cameras on, but there is a big underground industry of disabling the LED without disabling the camera so creepers can record without people knowing.

also facebook gets a copy of everything you see and do, which is especially problematic in bathrooms, in doctors offices, etc.

Big creepy pervert stalker stuff.

They’re just turning them into sunglasses lol! I’m sure they’ll find a way to make lense shading a subscription though.

Just glass

No camera but echo location like Rocky from Project Hail Mary

I wonder what the fallout from all this failed voyerism tech will be? What unexpected uses will we find for this spy shit? Ruview already looks like an interesting alternative to mmWave security sensors. What else can we come up with?

If it wasn’t going through their servers, i could stand to use it for drone flights, augmented reality GPS directions, monitoring shit at work, I’d not even pull my phone out of my pocket if I could get away wiht it.

Exactly. Once they give up on it we’ll see copycat tech without their restrictions.

I don’t get the hate, I don’t have a set but for action sports and stuff these seem great. Video is legal in public and it’s not hard to spot camera glasses

You can also take any flagship smartphone with a wide-angle lens and aim it down at 45 degrees, video content straight ahead, and unwarp/crop it in software. Ever since the advent of the smartphone camera, people have been voyureing.

It does make problems, it makes the creeps a little more brazen. There are assholes going on dates with that shit, and there are people defeating the camera light. It feels creepier to the masses because it’s no longer surreptitious, but it’s only not blaringly obvious like holding a phone up (which they wrongly assume voyeurs are doing.

it’s how people are choosing to use it, it’s more stealthly that most people think, they aren’t THAT obvious, they really need some kind of very clear ‘this is a recording camera’ tell that can’t be turned off, no one who wants to do legit things with it would care. like how you can’t mute shutter sounds on phones sold in Japan.

like how you can’t mute shutter sounds on phones sold in Japan.

Except by downloading any of hundreds of camera apps. The only non-mutable sound is on the phone’s native camera.

Video is not legal in public in some countries. In Germany, for example, it is illegal to film people on the street.

If you’re recording a building or something, and there are incidental people, that’s fine, but with these glasses you’re walking around pointing the camera directly at people.

Regardless, even where it’s legal, most people wouldn’t know how to recognize them. They’re not obvious. Which is how people have gotten away with wearing them to film children changing, and the giveaway was that the guy was following and staring at the children, not the glasses. www.wcvb.com/article/…/73790219

Prob shouldn’t be sold in germany then 🤷‍♂️ here in the USA it’s legal, every business has their own security cameras, as long as the government isint aggregating the video and using the data for mass surveillance I’m fine with it. My buddy has a pair we use to record our flights when we fly our aircraft together, it gets some really good footage honestly in a way that you don’t have to think about where to aim the camera or be something else to distract your focus, very important when flying a plane your hands are usually full. I think some of the interactions recorded with them as well from the first amendment auditors is fucking hilarious too

comes with wifi/lidar to "monitor surroundings as home wifi has been shown to form a picture based on the singals around the wifi hotspot.

Oh shit, people think we’re creepy like flock. Let’s do what flock is working towards and drop the camera and move towards EVERY OTHER FORM OF FUCKING TRACKING AND SELLING DATA.