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Is it just me, or do people seem less vibrant today?

Remembering my aunts and uncles from my childhood, a lot of the older people today don’t seem to have as much energy – I come from the US.

I’ve noticed people can be erratic and easily agitated now. Almost everyone I know in their 40s and 50s is angry all the time. Heavy drinking. Not able to process new information very well.

My uncle had a kid at 50 and played with her non-stop. I don’t know anyone capable of that now.

Am I the only one seeing this?

Edited ⁨⁨Sep⁩ ⁨14⁩, ⁨2026⁩, ⁨02:53⁩⁩enPage

Replying to @⁨consumptionone@lemmy.world⁩

This. I’m not a cyclist but I am someone who walks frequently. People can’t even wait to take a right turn while you’re crossing the street at a stop light, they’ll inch right up next to me to the point I can feel the heat from their radiator. If people are that inconsiderate to me at a fucking crosswalk, I don’t trust them not to plow through a cyclist in a bike lane.

Replying to @⁨ki4jgt@feddit.org⁩

You are seeing the effects of late stage capitalism.

People working 2 jobs and still not have as much disposable income as they had with a single income in the past.

Not having money aside of the work, no time and mental load: it kills motivation, not wanting to be creative, and your health goes downhill also and you can’t afford to treat it anyway.

If you ask a 50 something about how long they think have left, yo will have half the amount than 2 generations ago.

Everything is on fire …

Replying to @⁨ki4jgt@feddit.org⁩

It’s entirely possible this is just attentional bias on your part. You noticed the more vibrant, active adults when you were younger because they were more interesting to you.

But generally, things are worse these days, too. I feel like people used to talk about the future optimistically when I was growing up. Maybe people still talk to kids that way now, but I don’t. And I don’t hear people doing it. So, maybe you’re on to something here.

Replying to @⁨bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works⁩

Social media is the largest drain on humanity. It’s disgusting how addicted people are to short form videos, social media validation. It’s engrained in the subconscious I see it daily. Nothing to do = grab the phone and find something. No brain power, no thoughts or drive to do anything productive or physical. These companies should be charged for a crime against humanity.

I use AI don’t get me wrong but it’s not some new person I can’t live without. I have family members that truly feel chatgpt is the friend they never had, genuinly love it, and consider it closer than other family members. Fucking insane behavior. I mean really tell it things and trust it like with their data and such. Thank it, and have their egos boosted/built by its output.

Replying to @⁨ki4jgt@feddit.org⁩

I know exactly how you feel. However, I have recently encountered a number of very young, highly intelligent people who are indeed vibrant and actually do give me some hope for the future (EDIT: both of whom, it turns out, are in the healthcare profession, so maybe there will actually be some people left to take care of me and Mrs. Erinaceus as we decline—dare to dream!) But otherwise, yeah, capitalism, late or otherwise, the aftermath of 2008, and the pandemic—many of these things are still slowly draining the life force out of older folks like me.

Replying to @⁨ki4jgt@feddit.org⁩

I’m in my 40s and I feel very tired. My bones are rattling already, way too early. Migraine once a month. I used to think I’m depressed, but really I’m not, just tired. And soo many of the people I know feel the same! Some put it down to long Covid, some say it’s the vaccines, some call it chronic fatigue, some call it other things. But many are tired. And angry, because when I was very young I fought against environmental destruction, grownups told me to stop or go to jail, and look where we are now, while the very same thing is still happening!

For me it’s the polycrisis: the knowledge that things are most probably going to get worse for many people before they get better. Like some bad vibe in the background, while one still has to try to survive every day, which gets harder and harder. I’m earning half of what I used to while everything is twice as expensive, go figure. And I’m one of the lucky ones, with a setup that enables me to work less hours than average.

Also someone mentioned CO2 one of these days, and not to forget the heat - that might be why my brain really doesn’t work very well anymore.

Replying to @⁨schmorpel@slrpnk.net⁩

some say it’s the vaccines,

Yes, there are uneducated and/or evil people out there with literally dangerous ideas and we should be careful to avoid them. People like that are why measles is literally a concern again now for no good reason.

Which hits on another reason to be angry. The knowledge that stupid and evil people seem to get their way all the fucking time. Often at the expense of others’ lives.

Replying to @⁨JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip⁩

I get things are expensive and hard. I just don’t understand the debt. I grew up really poor. Never had anything. Family didn’t have debt though. Now I’m Lower lower middle class. I moved up over my parents. Still struggling. Still no savings at 39. But no debt.

How do people acquire so much debt? Is it college (I was too poor to consider it because it would be 100% financed through loans, which ain’t happening), credit cards? I’ve never had one. I always thought those were for rich people. Home loans? Medical? Like everyone I know is in debt and I don’t get it.

Poor, I get. Hunger, I get. Homelessness, I get. I just don’t understand debt.

Replying to @⁨ki4jgt@feddit.org⁩

This has been dawning on me as well.

Aside from all the things people are mentioning, my take on it: culture, at least in the U.S., has stopped. If a person finds something to be excited about, they do so in spite of their government that should otherwise be helping them flourish. We try to find joy in spite of the profound inequitable conditions that are celebrated by the elite. We have to give up a third of our paychecks to fund pointless destruction and slaughter overseas, and lavish lifestyles for our feckless politicians and federally-subsidized billionaires at home.

What collective identity can we develop under these conditions? We only find an identity defined by anger. Hatred. Resentment. We must constantly experience these feelings in order to remain grounded in reality; they are the only way we can stay in touch with the truth of things.

I’m sure it’s been articulated better elsewhere, but I’m starting to think that’s a big part of fascism: the death of culture, the destruction of what we could otherwise draw hope from. Fascism says that everything people cherish and find self-actualization in is sinful and aberrant, but offers nothing to replace them except hollow parodies of culture. In the current moment, it’s either Christian white nationalist parodies of culture (just look at literally any creative work they make; they are soulless and hollow) or AI-generated slop culture.

We’re also living through something pretty unprecedented: corporate technofascism. History has never seen fascism breed with the kind of unchecked capitalist insanity that will come to define this era. There are a thousand digital barriers between you and real life, and you are told you should be happy and excited about such “innovation” when it’s been 10 years since there was anything to be excited about.

That’s my distilled diatribe on this idea.

Replying to an earlier post

This is more cultural than political.

For decades, variety shows were a staple of entertainment.

Vaudeville featured a dozen or more different acts. TV had Ed Sullivan and later Cher and Carol Burnett doing shows with an array of talent. Top 40 Radio brought Dolly Parton to the city folks and Aretha Franklin to the country folks.

Now people listen to and watch exactly what they want.

Joe Blow used to see opera singers on antenna TV, now his grandkids only see it if they decide to look for it, and they usually don’t.

Replying to @⁨ki4jgt@feddit.org⁩

No, you are not wrong. The USA is being punished for her crimes. Capitalism is failing, Democracy is rearing its ugly side, traditional values are proving empty, religion is falling flat, race has its ugly side displayed for all to see, patriots cant relate to their national identity anymore. The USA is cannibalising itself. This makes it to where people are losing their future, desperately trying to keep what is familiar, and overall reaching a state of hopelessness/powerlessness.

Replying to @⁨ki4jgt@feddit.org⁩

While most of the comments are correctly pointing out the late-stage capitalism as the main culprit, I must add something I didn't see mentioned: COVID-19 pandemic.

To me, a Zennial, it was the main once-in-a-generation disgrace event. I still clearly remember the days when I began reading about a "mysterious pneumonia-like disease noticed among the patients from an ophthalmologist in Wuhan", the first cases reported in South Korea, all the way to the outbreak in Italy, then World Health Organization finally declaring it a pandemic in March 11th 2020 (I can't forget this specific date, either).

COVID-19 left so many marks. Emotional, as millions died from it; biological, as many who survived lived or are still living with the "Long COVID-19 syndrome"; and also societal, as it fundamentally shaped society as we know it.

I feel like I was never the same after I first got COVID-19. It's as if my entire existence became split between "before 2020" and "after 2020".

Maybe, just maybe, one of the explanations would be that SARS-CoV-2 is known to affect more than the respiratory system,
it can also affect the brain. SARS-CoV-2 or not, the pandemic truly messed up with our brains as a society, I became sort of traumatized by it and so were countless other people, especially from my generation, because we spend a significant part of our adulthood with a world struggling to fight a virus. It was also the first time we experienced the concept of quarantine/lockdown (I was already an introvert person who's accustomed with staying indoors, but the pandemic messed up with my graduation because I couldn't elaborate my thesis, let alone present it, until I ended up giving up of a bachelor degree).

So, if I were to guess, the disgraces that followed up to nowadays, including the late-stage capitalism, seem to be heavily tied to that pandemic six years ago (which I remember as if it were yesterday).

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Replying to @⁨boonhet@sopuli.xyz⁩

I make my living off the evening news.

Just give me something, something I can use:

People love it when you lose, they love dirty laundry…

Well, I could’ve been an actor, but I wound up here; I just have to look good, I don’t have to be clear.

Come and whisper in my ear, give us dirty laundry!

Kick 'em when they’re up, kick 'em when they’re down!

Kick 'em when they’re up, kick 'em when they’re down!

Kick 'em when they’re up, kick 'em when they’re down!

Kick 'em when they’re up, kick 'em all around…

We got the bubble-headed bleached-blonde, comes on at 5; She can tell you ‘bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye.

It’s interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry!

Can we film the operation? Is the head dead yet?

You know, the boys in the newsroom got a running bet!

“Get the widow on the set,” we need dirty laundry…

You don’t really need to find out what’s goin’ on.

You don’t really wanna know just how far it’s gone.

Just leave well enough alone, keep your dirty laundry…

Dirty little secrets, dirty little lies…

We got our dirty little fingers in everybody’s pie.

We love to cut you down to size, we love dirty laundry!

We can do “The Innuendo,” we can dance and sing; When it’s said and done, we haven’t told you a thing!

We all know that crap is king, give us dirty laundry.

-Don Henley, Dirty Laundry

Replying to @⁨ki4jgt@feddit.org⁩

I mean it’s simple.

Everyone is worried even if they don’t say so.

Technology has been shoved down our throats. Now there’s llms; this is referencing something simple like getting bot calls on a daily basis for a pretend “human” to get transferred to “John” with a thick Indian accent.

It’s hot outside. I remember having to wear a jacket in the winter, and now I want to take my skin off.

Video games were fun or challenging; now they’re pay to win.

Playing in the backyard isn’t cool anymore because 'gotta keep up with the other kids on their phones and so forth.

Depends on where you’re at; anger? High levels of CO2 cause that. The fun factor about global warming that isn’t often discussed. Having parking lots of cars at stop lights makes this worse. It gets worse when stores cut back on AC and filtration.

The political spectrum is well on a spectrum; so the confidence is gone there.

All of these aspects exhaust people. Especially advertising on every corner.

Replying to @⁨ki4jgt@feddit.org⁩

Not the only one.

I think there’s a number of causes, but the biggest one is pretty simple- the death of boredom.

You are stuck in an airport waiting for your flight. It leaves in an hour. What do you do?
You whip out your phone and fire up your favorite social media and scroll. And the hour disappears.
Or maybe you watch a movie. Or read the news. Or whatever- your digital mental babysitter will entertain you.

What you don’t do, is be bored. Boredom is now totally optional, and by default it is suppressed and must be actively chosen.

This sounds like a good thing, but the reality is boredom is a time that’s vital for our minds to process and dream and imagine. And we killed that.

So that time when someone might contemplate taking up a new hobby, contemplate a new project, contemplate building something cool? Gone.