rooted in a well-documented pattern of unfair trade, subsidies, intellectual property theft and surveillance

I have faith in America, there’s no way we’re losing to china in patterns of unfair trade, subsidies, IP theft and surveillance.

Or you know, the government could just match Chinese industry subsidies so they’re competing on level playing fields.

China’s government is using government power to invest in critical and necessary industries that benefits everyone, like renewables and EVs, driving down their costs.

The US instead spends it’s money investing in fossil fuel companies, and letting billionaires hoard it, and then complains when Chinese EVs are cheaper. You’re the richest fucking country in the world. Stop fucking whining and start using your wealth to produce competitive EVs. It’s not that fucking complicated.

You forgot to mention investing in the MIC (Military Industrial Compex).

They would have to go back in time and apply those subsidies 15 years ago. Chinese are so far ahead at this point, US stands little chance of catching up. Couldn’t hurt though.

The best time may have been yesterday, but the second best time is today.

So far ahead in what way? We’re talking about powering electric motors not building pico-scale computer processors. The difficult advancements in EVs is with the battery technology and battery technology is not specific to EVs themselves. We’ve been building cars for over a hundred years at this point so the rest of the car building process is already well established here.

Just like every other manufacturing industry where China has come to dominate, a big part of their strength is also developing the supply chain, suppliers and to foster competition. There’s an entire web of industry to support car building and scaling demand to make it work.

I would argue everything they do for oil and anti-electric legislation is US car subsidies.

The money would be used for huge bonuses for the executives and US cars wouldn’t be any cheaper or able to complete in the end.

Or you know, the government could just match Chinese industry subsidies

The problem is we did. The last 2-3 decades had billions in subsidies toward battery technology and battery electric vehicles. Then they got canceled. Then reinstated. Then canceled. At this point Chinas biggest advantage is being able to stay the course

Oh yes, build a Chinese Wall around Usa, and then make China pay for it 🦸‍♀️😉😜

Maybe if the US auto industry spent the last 10-15 years innovating and reinvesting instead of paying dividends and stock buybacks, it’d not be dying on its arse right now.

Made their own bed, and expecting the US consumer to keep buying overpriced swill.

What are you talking about? The American auto industry has done plenty of innovations over the past decades. They’ve innovatively made trucks that are 6’ tall at the hood, and also have turned every brand of car into a SUV.

un-friendshape-maxxing

I do not know where all the friendly bubble-shaped cars went. I don’t want an angry cube shaped like a battering ram, I want 4 armchairs with the most smooth, slick shape for low drag and impact softness wrapped around it.

If I could just buy a chinese EV I’d buy the Li Mega but its simply not allowed.

All the non-bubble shaped cars have such shit visibility too to the point that cameras are necessary now.

don't forget the advances in headlight technology. traffic will be a solved problem once cars can vaporize each other with their high beams

Reminder we bailed GM out AFTER they crushed thousands of cars that people wanted to buy

The beatings won’t stop until you buy an American car.

There’s a commercial on the radio in GTA:VC. A baby is crying and the voiceover says, “This American baby is starving because you bought a cheaper, higher-quality Daihatsu!”

The US auto industry is so much more vast than US companies. We only have a few remaining ones, but everyone pretends like American brands are all that exist here in discussions like this.

So car manufacturers want to block their competition?

I am shocked I tell you, shocked!

It works. I haven’t been able to buy a new Suzuki Samurai because they made legislation against it. 🤪

People call for reasonable Healthcare and an end to fascism. Guess which of these calls is more likely to get answered.

Screw these guys. US automakers have basically abandoned any attempt to build an affordable, small, electric car leaving a giant gap for the Chinese to fill, and we would all be better off if they did.

I’ve owned a Chevy bolt for 4 years and love it, but Chevy/GM keeps trying to kill it (2nd cancellation in mid 2027) and move everybody to an electric Equinox. If they don’t want to build small affordable (hopefully electric) cars, screw them, no sympathy. They clearly know people would buy these Chinese electrics.

Capitalists when there’s capitalism

Yeah I bet they did LOL

Such a commitment to the Free Market.

You think that nationally subsidised and otherwise loss-making companies is the free market?

I appreciate capitalism isnt popular on lemmy but let’s at least base the discourse in reality over propaganda.

The free market is about having little to no government control. Therefore any market that includes the Chinese market can not be described as a free market.

I would argue that banning Chinese companies would demonstrate more, not less, commitment to a free market.

Pretty much most if not all major US corps are being nationally subsidised.

From “bail outs” to tax breaks to grants where the company doesn’t do what they are supposed to for said grant, but also don’t have to pay it back.

It’s just like how lobbying is just “legal” bribery.

It’s all just bullshit.

… Are you stupid? A free market allows for ANY competitors regardless of how the company is run or its location. By banning an entire countries products you are making the market less free for the buyer by lowering the competition for American cars.

And let’s be honest US cars suck dick. I’m driving a fucking Dodge Laramie and its a piece of shit, the tech is all over the place with no normalized menus and and annoying as fuck central IPad for a dash.

nationally subsidized

Like when american auto manufacturers needed a bailout around 2011?

Skim read that as ‘cheese made cars’. That was a confusing couple of seconds.

Probably just as long lasting as your typical American car with innovative ideas like a wet belt system (known bad design seen as planned obsolescence by any mechanic worth a shit).

So if they do such thing, wouldn’t China going to put shit loads of “asshole tax” to their product pipeline. It’s like kicking your chicken because he also lays eggs for themselves

Goat calls for more cabbage. And to not let other goats in the garden.

People rinsing you for cash call for expulsion of fair trade

The CEO of Ford publicly keeping his Chinese car tells you everything you need to know. They’re afraid of the competition

Let them have Jeeps

“How long until you’ll be able to compete?”