There is a simple reason you haven’t considered.

I want to bring my suit on the trip, and I don’t want to crush it into a bag, because it’ll wrinkle.

LPT: You can roll suits and shirts in the bag so they don’t wrinkle.

If I’m travelling with t-shirts, work clothes, and a suit, what packs best? What packs into my bag with the most/least difficulty?

I wear the thing that tolerates bags the least, and I pack the rest.

this video is my go to for folding suits for travel: www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZu7RnfiCgU

I’d say… why not?

For me, comfort, but also I’m usually flying for some kind of vacation where formal apparel doesn’t make sense, like snowboarding or hiking.

One reason among several is tradition. Air travel used to be the domain of the wealthy, at a time when the wealthy seldom left the house in casual/working class attire.

My company was very old school and had a dress code for all stupid situations, including travel on business. Also, fly in and fly out meetings are a thing. In the 90’s they wouldn’t let you sit in first class - before points aligned status were a thing, travel enough and you would get bumped up often when in a suit over others.

They probably dress nicely most of the time.

Because I come from a family of pilots and the free F&F tickets came with the stipulation that we dressed very nice. I grew up with that and the habit stuck.

By dressing nicely you show respect for other people.

I’ve never heard of that and I’m not sure I would agree.

Maybe that’s considered so in your (sub)culture, but it’s not a universal truth. That sounds like something a WASP boomer would say.

WASP boomer

Wide ass, soaking pussy?

en.wikipedia.org/…/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestants

Thank you!

How? If I were meeting with someone in a formal setting, sure. If I’m flying somewhere after work just to go straight to my hotel, I’m not formally interacting with anyone where being dressed up makes a difference.

I’m don’t see how it’s any more respectful for anyone else I’m walking by in an airport terminal if I’m wearing a suit and tie vs sweatpants and a hoodie.

Does your statement imply that it’s disrespectful to not dress up, or is putting on informal clothes kind of the baseline and dressing up is extra?

I’m not talking about wearing a suit. I’m talking about being clean and well groomed, showing that you care about your appearance.

Gotcha. I think the OP was specifically about being dressed formally, so that’s why I was asking.

Other than smelling bad, why does it matter if I’m well groomed to passerbys or that I care about my appearance?

Again, I’m talking about potentially flight attendants, the people at the gate check, etc. we are ships passing in the night, they are there to make sure I’m me, and I’m just passing by. I agree that if you wear something that is offensive, like swear words or images that maybe considered obscene, that’s not ok almost anywhere imo. But if I wear unbranded sweatpants and a hoodie, how would that make me being disrespectful? I’m not there for any person. I’m not there to win favor. They are there to do there job which is to check me in or provide a service, or as far as random passerbys, we are just sharing a space.

So do you believe that it’s disrespectful to dress down or is dressing up just more respectful in your opinion?

I feel like in Italy they still kept that mindset and it shows by how people are dressed in the street. Judging by the comments it’s not so common to think that way any more.

Good. One worry less.

Btw, remember the childish drama because Zelensky didn’t have a tie in the oval office?

Don’t look to this administration for any examples of the right thing to do.

I always put on pants when I go out. It’s the decent thing to do

Will definitely try this next time

Don’t bother. I tried it. 1 star.

But, not a shirt, right? God, it’s so hot right now. I just want my pits to air out a bit.

Wearing a shirt and nice trouser helps my business traveller persona dont want to explain an immigration officer why I wear work clothe and steel toe booth for a business meeting.

Anyway, I have a business meeting, need a suit and will be back the next day, so I am rather wearing my business suit, rather than taking a checked in luggage

Human bias. People tend to treat you favorably when you dress a bit nicely. You don’t have to over-do it, but you also don’t want to appear “rough”. I’ve travelled both ways, and can tell you for a fact, you get hassled more if you look like you just rolled out of bed, as opposed to someone who’s at least trying to look presentable.

When I fly long distance I always make the effort to go in the (plane) bathroom and freshen up, brush my hair and such before I get there because I feel I get less hassle from immigration when I’m looking fresh as opposed to when I’m a red-eyed mess.

Despite the fact it should be perfectly expected for people to look like shit after a long-haul flight.

As you say, It’s just human bias and people are affected by their biases even in roles where they should try not to be.

You nailed it. When I wear a T-shirt and have my tattoos visible, security treat me like shit and I always get pulled aside for extra checks and drug swipes. If I wear a nice suit, I get smiles and no hassle.

Isn’t strange, that not to be pulled aside for extra checks me, as woman, I have to look bad,not to be interesting for security, opening luggage ect, where males can check. If I come with nice dress and makeup, hair done, I am wwwaaaayyy likeli going to be stopped for extra check. Even if later female officer comes to check if I am bot bringing anything, males will stand and watch me during … so, bunny tail, oversized t-shirt and something sloppy usually doesn’t attract their attention.

If I come with nice dress and makeup

I can’t help but wonder: a test scenario missing here is what if you wear a boring ‘professional’ suit and hairdo like men do.

Of course, a case of a dude in a dress also remains to be checked.

Or a dude in more flamboyant menswear that isn’t professional, but is definitely nicer

It’s funny because in my country, the airport security would prefer you to wear light clothes so it doesn’t mess with their metal detectors. If you wear a formal dress with coats, belts, etc., then it makes their work harder and unless you are Muslim or Sikh they will probably ask you to remove the extra clothes.

Habit. And I’ve become good at finding outfits that look nice and are just as comfortable as ones that look more casual.

I never understood why not. Dressing up “nicely” doesn’t need to be uncomfortable at all. If the clothes fit well and are suitable for the occasion and location you can be comfortable and be dressed nicely.

What I never understood is people going out in pjama’s or sportwear while acting like those are the only comfy clothes in the world and the rest of the people are making themselves have a worse time. Be it at airports/planes or elsewhere. Putting on decent pants take 2 seconds and can be just as comfy, so time and comfort aren’t really much of an excuse. People should invest in good basics for day to day use, you’ll earn it back in daily comfort.

But also, some people simply enjoy looking a certain way. Even for less comfortable clothes, that enjoyment can be bigger than the discomfort making it worth it to them. It’s not always about having a reason.

Yes, but also, if people like wearing pijamas or sportswear, don’t judge them for that. Just let people wear what they are comfy in.

To rule out the google ap ypu could try in a different wifi network like a library.

wut

oh wrong post lol I’ll delete it…

I like clothes. When flying was a bigger deal people would dress up. With the democratisation of air travel, nobody does any more. Still, in my head it’s an “excuse” to dress up due to the old etiquette. It feels good to me to arrive at a new place and look put together while I’m at it.

“Democratisation of air travel” … Puhhh … It’s a fucking nightmare considering you are giving up almost every individual right when flying with commercial airlines.

Flying on an airplane used to be an experience in and out itself. Now it’s just basically a bus.

It used to be good manners to dress up for stuff like this, probably left over from that. People would wear their church clothes when traveling.

As utilitarian as pyjamas are, not everyone finds them to be in good taste.

There is a huge margin between pajamas and a suit.

I wear a t shirt and jeans, and put a pair of pajama pants in my carry on so I can change in the airplane toilet at the beginning of the flight for anything over 3 hours.

I wore suits and ties for many years, and now that I’m retired, I’ll never wear another tie again.

Most days, I wear loose cotton pants, a t-shirt, and maybe an open shirt over that. And sneakers. Probably not even socks. If they don’t like it, Fuck’em, I really don’t care.

I’ll put on big boy pants and a nice shirt if we’re going out for Christmas dinner, and I’ll wear socks, but it’s still sneakers. And no tie, ever.

Clothes make people.

If your clothes have more substance than your self you probably need to try harder.

It’s never about me, it’s about others. In airports you are subject to others. It’s a security dictatorship. Really don’t get why my comment gets downvoted. Seems some people can not accept how superficial people are in reality. “Clothes makes people” is as old as clothes are.

I don’t dress formally, but I always try to put effort into my outfit. Why not look good if I have the choice?

Gotta be classy sometimes yk

I actually find office/dress wear extremely comfortable.

Like to the extent I actually will wear more casual clothes to work to make sure I stay awake some days.

Apparently you should at least avoid wearing shorts on planes. There’s multiple reasons, including not sticking your skin where others people’s skin have been stuck, but the most important to me is because of the slides in case of emergency.

If you wear shorts and for some reason the slides have to be used to exit the plane, you risk being burned.

If you wear shorts and for some reason the slides have to be used to exit the plane, you risk being burned.

I’ll take that risk over wearing jeans on an 8 hour flight.

Yeah, I didn’t check the stats but I’m pretty sure we have much more chances of just being hit by a car while existing than getting our thighs burned by the emergency slides while evacuating a plane, so I also sometimes take that chance anyway.

I really don’t get people’s issues with jeans, I can sleep in them

Poor = bad to most, even subconsciously

I think it’s because some people like to look nice

at the airport you also have higher chances to meet people from different countries and cultures with different standards for what is casual clothing. A fancy dress for an American is an outfit to go at the grocery store for an Italian or a French

The fancy dress in Italy or France is what Eastern europeans wear to go at the grocery store… hahahah Albanians and balcans too😅

True, but they are going to wear it with sneakers.

In IT and Fr you mean.

I know it’s just an example but French and Italian people don’t dress much different than Americans unless you’re in the center of Paris and maybe Rome.

Most Italian women I know would have a panic attack if they went out with a tracksuit or a pajama like Americans do. That’s stuff that only happens in nightmares and if you’re 20 in a slum outside of Milan. Anyway Rome is not considered particularly fashionable in Italy. You find the highest attention for this stuff in most cities in the North, with Milan being the center of the fashion industry and smaller towns being more bougie, and then in the South with the “show off the bling bling” culture more common throughout the Mediterranean. In the North, the minimum is to dress like for a fashion show, in the South the minimum is to dress like for a wedding. In the center they care less.

Idk maybe it’s because I’m European myself but in my opinion people in Milan dress like ass… Tho obviously all European women are tea it’s the men that are gross

Look good feel good, switch to the PJs in business class…

Hell yeah. Too many people sleep on the socks from the business class amenities bag too. Put those on, then at the end of your nine hour flight putting your socks back on is like a fresh pair.

Why don’t you wrap yourself in a bag to go shopping? There is no reason to look nice.