“ According to Magne Mogstad, a Norwegian economist at the University of Chicago, Nordic countries primarily reduce economic and social inequalities by narrowing the differences in pre-tax income. They achieve this through a centralised system of wage bargaining that lifts wages at the bottom end and compresses them at the top. Because wage compression deliberately flattens the hierarchy of status we place on different types of work, a person’s value is more than her “marginal product”, in economics jargon. The fact that a doctor and a plumber can live a life with similar standards or expectations makes it easier to believe that we are all in this together. The moral philosopher Elizabeth Anderson describes this as “relational equality”. The point of equality, Anderson argues, is equality in social relations. “
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So basically the opposite of importing infinite 3rd world slave labor.
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@cjd @SpectralActivity zero western countries do this, if they did they wouldn't have these issues.
Zero western countries do what? Import slave labor, or the Norway thing?
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@cjd @SpectralActivity the slave labor thing. i guess you just mean 'cheap labor', but immigrant labor isn't cheap in europe as they all immediately have rights to a state-sponsored apartment, food, spending money...
@lain @SpectralActivity @cjd true
immigrant labor is expensive. It's just not the employer that has to pay for it
immigrant labor is expensive. It's just not the employer that has to pay for it
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@WandererUber @SpectralActivity @cjd in the western systems, yes. if there's no social net, no way to citizenship and the employer is responsible for the immigrant worker, there's no issue.
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@WandererUber @SpectralActivity @cjd we had visitors from germany and we told them that if you steal something here, you're immediately deported. they thought this was an unthinkable evil.
Cheap, whatever. The big point is if you dump enough young workers into the system, you can push wages down almost arbitrarily.
At least until they drag you out of your house and stick your head on the end of a pike...
I would use the US H1B system as an example, 20 people living in a house (illegal but common), working for an employer that if they quit that job or want to work somewhere else, they're deported. You can fiddle around with the exact definition of slavery but it's disingenuous because they have the same impact as slaves did in ancient Rome.
At least until they drag you out of your house and stick your head on the end of a pike...
I would use the US H1B system as an example, 20 people living in a house (illegal but common), working for an employer that if they quit that job or want to work somewhere else, they're deported. You can fiddle around with the exact definition of slavery but it's disingenuous because they have the same impact as slaves did in ancient Rome.
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@cjd @SpectralActivity it's not at all the same. calling people who fly around half the world out of their own volition to take jobs where they are paid 10 times as much as they are at home 'slaves' is not a sensible thing.
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@cjd @lain This article was from FT about an American who moved to Norway. Her work experience was previously being a manager of one of the world's biggest financial funds. She graduated from Harvard and was surprised that the teacher in her son's Norwegian school suggested her son do Lego when she mentioned he was far above the rest of the class. The teacher mentioned school was about an equal curriculum, unlike the US. The article discusses the differences in the system in general regarding equality among people in Norway.
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The US also does an equal curriculum. Equal to the dumbest motherfucker in the entire class.
The sole exceptions being 50k+/year private schools, and homeschooling.
The sole exceptions being 50k+/year private schools, and homeschooling.
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@cjd @lain Americans doesn’t have a good education system from what I understand? One of worst in western countries i understand? The difference in tests, I seen American tests from people I know from Spain, in Spain education system is about filtering out a lot of, Norway also have easier education system than Spain but not like US
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@SpectralActivity @cjd it's not good but most other countries are much worse, including pretty much every european country
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