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What search engine do you use?

I’m looking for something that just gives good results with their own engine, not proxying google or yahoo, without LLMs being involved.

I’ve used startpage and have my own searxng instance self hosted. But both use mostly google results with just a nicer frontend.

I was looking Kagi as an alternative. But they seemed to move to become another AI company, bundling their subscription to the search engine with a subscription to an LLM, so I’m not paying for that.

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Replying to @⁨daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com⁩

For other alternatives with their own engine - the main ones are Yandex, Mojeek, and Qwant. DuckDuckGo is good, but most of their results come from Bing.

Kagi is priced well for what you get. Search engines are very expensive to run. You don’t have to pay for the premium AI, and the pricing of the starter ($5/month for 300 searches) and pro ($10/m for unlimited searches) plans hasn’t been affected by AI. They’ve remained the same price ever since they launched in 2022.

Replying to @⁨daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com⁩

After a couple of years using Kagi, I’ve been giving Uruky a try for the past two weeks. It’s a European meta-search engines which uses European indexes.

In my experience, setting Serper (a UK-based privacy preserving proxy to Google Search) as the first index to use gives the best responses, but I still happen to go back to Kagi once in a while (like, maybe 2-3 times in the past week).

Replying to @⁨daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com⁩

I wouldn’t say Kagi has “moved to become an AI company”.

They host some open weight models, which you can use with your subscription (which hasn’t increased in price or dropped features since they added AI access), but you’re not forced to use AI ever, and they’re not collecting your searches or prompts to feed into training.

They’ve taken a pretty skeptical stance on AI from the start. You can disable AI features completely, so you don’t even accidentally use them. But even if you leave them enabled, you have to opt into invoking AI by ending your query with a question mark.

Edit: Also, they downrank content that has been flagged as AI generated: help.kagi.com/kagi/features/slopstop.html

help.kagi.comSlopStop | Kagi's DocsKagi Search Help

Replying to @⁨daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com⁩

I tried Kagi for a month. It was decent. For $5 and only 300 searches I felt limited. I’m not saying I was limited, I felt that way. I found myself going to other search engines for some searches.

I liked ecosia for awhile but I’ve had to turn off the AI multiple times. I have no idea why it keeps turning back on, so that’s why I stopped. Start page was ok. I’m currently using SearX Paulgo and it seems decent.

Replying to @⁨daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com⁩

Startpage, but I haven’t really been happy with it. Takes results directly from Google or Bing I think, and sometimes makes me do a captcha if I’m on a VPN. At least there’s no A.I.
I also have Duck Duck Go, Google, Wikipedia, Wiktionary and a few other searches set to prefixes in Firefox so if I search “w bananas” it’ll search Wikipedia, or “dd bananas” for Duck Duck Go, etc.

If I’m searching for something to read about basically and I think it’s on Wikipedia, I’ll usually start there with a direct search using my shortcut and not even touch a general search engine.