MangoCats@MangoCats@feddit.it

Replying to @⁨Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it⁩

As someone who can code, has coded for 40 years for a living, I’ll say: LLMs can be heavily abused to write a lot of garbage. I’ll also say: give a human enough time, and they can write almost as much garbage but they usually get discouraged by all the errors and crashes and have the good sense to give up - but these humans armed with LLMs can at least make stuff that runs.

I’ll also say: LLMs can be used as very effective tools, if you exercise the kind of care and planning that has always been required to write “good” (whatever your definition of “good” may be) software. They do speed up development - some development ends up in a good place, some… not so much. It was always like this even long before LLMs, but LLMs help get to those endpoints much faster.

Axolotl@Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it

Replying to @⁨MangoCats@feddit.it⁩

LLMs can be used as very effective tools, if you exercise the kind of care and planning that has always been required to write “good” (whatever your definition of “good” may be) software. They do speed up development - some development ends up in a good place, some… not so much. It was always like this even long before LLMs, but LLMs help get to those endpoints much faster.

This is not vibe coding, vibe coding is using only the AI for making code without you knowing what the heck is happening and doing

If you know what you do and understand what the LLM does, you aren’t vibe coding, you are using it as a tool to speed up the development, that’s a big difference IMO

If Billy the graphic designer that never coded “makes” an app using Claude, he is vibe coding

If Torvalds make an app using Claude and understand what is the AI doing and what the code does, it’s not vibe coding

(That’s how i see it and how i judge the projects i am goin to use, being against LLMs is stupid honestly)

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MangoCats@MangoCats@feddit.it

Replying to @⁨Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it⁩

Billy the graphic designer that never coded “makes” an app using Claude, he is vibe coding

See, I don’t know Billy, and I don’t know what his app looks like. If Billy is a logically thinking, good graphic designer who communicates well with his clients, understands what they want, and can express all that in logically coherent statements, Billy’s first app using LLMs might be great. Probably not, but it stands a chance. Everybody starts somewhere.

If Billy just says "hey, like, I want an app that runs on Android and iPhone and desktops too, and I want it to do this list of random stuff, some of which is internally conflicting, and while I’m at it I’m going to spec that I want it in Scala, because reptiles are cool (like cold blooded, get it?) Yeah, Billy’s first app is only likely to be awesome for Billy.

Now, when I fire up Claude Fable and ask it to make me a webserver in Python, how does Codeberg determine if my app is “Vibe coded” or not?

MangoCats@MangoCats@feddit.it

Replying to @⁨Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it⁩

I can see them having problems / frustration with terabytes of junk showing up 10x faster than it used to because people have the new text generation tools and are just spewing massive “projects” of no value with them, and I would assume when they find an account that’s full of this junk they want to trim it out of their running expenses (consider that they’re also going to be crawled by stealth trainers who read everything they have publicly available)… but, then… no matter how they go about identifying “junk” there will be false positives.

I have some projects I initially wrote over 20 years ago that I like to look back at and tweak around a little every now and then… even if nobody has looked at a project for years, that doesn’t really mean nobody cares about it - so algorithms for activity are going to hit stuff like that.