Replying to @⁨hipsterelectron@circumstances.run⁩

@hipsterelectron @ug @Flaky but there's absolutely nothing extraordinary happening here. the property owner receives the compensation in the end. nobody's ever promised it's for public benefit

copyright worked exactly as designed, as a system of property on non material goods. whether or not it's a good system, and whether or not intellectual property is even a meaningful concept are two different questions

Replying to @⁨charlotte@mastodon.ml⁩

@charlotte @hipsterelectron @Flaky

yeah the concept of intellectual property is bullshit there’s no controversy,

What is contentious I think is that the AI companies are in any way threatening intellectual property as a property relation, or if this is just the case of capitalists being able to ignore laws when it suits them, while they are still imposed on the rest of us.

I think rather we’re seeing quite the opposite, the intensification of the intellectual property regime and the rights of corporations to extend claims of intellectual property indefinitely, like games / movie / tv/ music industry claiming you don’t actually own a physical copy of media, even hardware manufacturers saying you are only leasing hardware etc.

Replying to @⁨ug@brain.worm.pink⁩

@ug @hipsterelectron @Flaky the ai companies themselves absolutely do not threaten copyright, i think they fit greatly in the current system, there's a reason why openai and anthropic both push to reinforce it and opportunistically cooperate with IP holders (see the openai disney deal). but ai as a technology in general does not, which is why you also see them making absolutely sure that the production and inference of ai systems is regulated and limited to a handful of large domestic corporates

Replying to @⁨charlotte@mastodon.ml⁩

@charlotte @hipsterelectron @Flaky

i agree with the last bit, and perhaps “valueless” in the marxian sense, havn’t no labor value or exchange value, even in a marginal utility sense, art is typically valued in terms of novelty and skill involved, so the product of LLM’s is worthless in every sense of the word ( unreliable etc. )

i’m not sure if a company that produces anti-value is long for this world

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