Multi-service tech communes on the Fediverse

Hi! I’m looking to collate/list community-funded Fediverse ISPs with multiple services. Some aggregate of servers that offer multiple services, not necessarily just Fediverse related, but at least one Fediverse service.

As examples, I can list:

• tchncs.de
• bolha.io

I know there’s one out there that also provides email (can’t recall which), which is interesting as most people wouldn’t dare.

community-funded

Community underfunded. What the community is giving out barely covers the cost of the hardware, much less the labor of the admins.

Last year I considered offering accounts via a Caffe Sospeso on Communick, but it quickly became clear that is was going to suffer from the tragedy of the commons. Everyone that was willing to bear the actual operating costs would prefer to run their own servers to serve themselves, and the ones that were asking for “community supported” accounts were overwhelming just interested in free-riding.

There are people willing to donate their time* so only funding the hardware and other unavoidable running costs is often fine. If you find it too much workload, try looking for other volunteers.

*because contrary of what some economist think, it is often more enjoyable to work on something that isn’t paid, then to use the same time to work for money and pay for the service. You see the same effect with the people that prefer selfhosting as you say.

We had this discussion before. People that want to treat this as a hobby can by all means go for it. But hobbyists alone will never be able to build and maintain something that can become a real alternative to all the shitty dominant economic systems out there.

You are making a category error.

Home cooking is a thing, and it is the predominant way of feeding yourself and also some lazy freeloaders aka your kids.

Or to make a different analogy: you are trying to compete as a restaurant with people wanting to organize a barbeque with their friends. That’s never going to work.

you are trying to compete as a restaurant with people wanting to organize a barbeque with their friends.

Yes and no. I don’t want to compete with the community. I was just expecting the community to have bigger ambitions that having a barbeque with their friends, and consider organizing itself to bring down Kraft Foods.

As long as you live in a capitalist state, the most success you can hope for is to become the next Kraft Foods with all the same issues (and very likely the same stock owners soon after).

The only winning move is to not play their game.

Two things:

1. Something something “Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for everything else that has been tried”.

2. Most if not all revolutions in human history only occurred when the “power-adjacent” class sided with the ruled populace and actively fought the rulers. For us (the comfortable middle class) to shrug and “Not play the Game” is quite lame.

No, the best economic system is still communism, such as it was practiced in the Commune de Paris. Of course a quote from the openly racist and imperialist Winston Churchill can only be used to excuse capitalism.

practiced in the Commune de Paris

The one who couldn’t even afford the upkeep of its armed forces?

Who exactly is surprised that an independent collective in the middle of a capital city surrounded by armies of every country allying themselves because independence is worse than their decades-old feud cannot sustain an army and is thus crushed, violently executed and has their history erased by building a cutesy church on top of it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacr%C3%A9-C%C5%93ur,_Paris

“They couldn’t feed their army” is an interesting critique for an egalitarian project

We are talking about economic systems. If the system is not able to keep even the most basic of roles of organized society (defense), it has failed.

defense is not the most basic role of society, what kind of distorted view is that. Defense for everyone is already a specific point of view at odds with the whole concept of what the Commune is about. There’s little need to talk about an economic system if the economic science itself doesn’t account for what is the goal here (namely, self-organization doesn’t revolve around a market)

defense is not the most basic role of society

Not the basic role, but it is one of the most basic ones.

point of view at odds with the whole concept of what the Commune is about

You are projecting. You wish that people could live in peace and harmony and that followed the “concept” of the Commune. I am just pointing out that - as noble and good their ideals were - the Commune catastrophically failed when it was put into practice and had to face the reality of the world.

If the economic science itself doesn’t account for what is the goal here.

It shows a lot of hubris to talk about “goals” for society at large. It can work for a small group of people with a shared view and unchallenged leadership (like a small corporation or a family clan), but try living like that in anything larger than a small village and you will quickly see that the system is not sustainable. The Commune of Paris is only one of many examples.