“Upload your ID for every transaction to prove you’re not a sex offender”.

When buying a gun and/or pervert glasses, yes, sounds very reasonable?

Either we believe in giving people the chance to become functioning citizens of society again or we don’t. I’d argue the “don’t” doesn’t seem to work out too well for the Americans. Europe, meanwhile taking the former attitude, has far better recidivism rates.

www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0047235223000867

Given the recidivism rates in even the best performing countries is so high I disagree.

Denmark, Finland and Norway have similar two year conviction rates to the USA when accounting for other factors.

20-30% of sexual predators will offend again AND be caught within two years. Given the delays in reporting sexual abuse and the general lack of reporting to start with this is remarkably high.

Given the risk these predators pose to innocent people they shouldn’t be trusted nor afforded the full rights available to ordinary citizens.

20-30% of sexual predators will offend again AND be caught within two years.

So, do I understand that you’re willing to enact measures based on a presumption of recidivism despite 70+% not doing so according to the research you’re citing?

I don’t agree that it’s morally right to punish a criminal based on the assumption they will repeat offend when the research indicates a majority doesn’t. My conclusion from that research would be better methods of correcting the behavior and verifying compliance are probably necessary. Not group punishment.

if u cared about privacy y would u buy mr ihateprivacy glasses???

I know it’s a hot-take… But how about we (Earth) ban smart glasses.

This isn’t wise for the sole reason that they really are a great benefit to the visually impaired.

Right now the tech is super useful, being able to read small text out loud and differentiate similar objects that certain conditions make difficult. However, the tech has the potential to do so much more.

Banning it now would be like slapping a whole lot of disabled people in the face.

They do not need to have hidden cameras to work as an aid. The push to make the cameras and microphones hidden is the problem.

Who’s pushing to make them hidden? If you want hidden cameras there’s thousands of vastly superior options than thick, ugly, obvious glasses.

Go search AliExpress right now for “hidden camera”. Your mind will be blown.

I think it’s reasonable if sight impaired people want to appear inconspicuous. You say this is “hiding” the glasses but do you expect them to walk around with a GoPro strapped to a helmet so they can have street signs read to them?

Well in that case they should be regulated with a licence or even a prescription, right? To add to this, disabled people in the example you’re putting forward don’t need internet connectivity or filming capabilities. I see your concern but when the price is the privacy of the entire planet, I can’t accept your argument.

You think people should need a license to use technology like glasses and cameras. Listen to yourself!

I don’t know what kind of “anti” hole you fell into but you need to crawl back out.

Technology that trains AI for fascistic multi-billion dollar companies? Films, tracks, listens to private and potentially sensitive conversations? Yeah, probably.

I’m comfortable in my hole. Maybe you should take the advice of a stranger on the internet instead and grow the fuck up.

You’re confused: You assume that all cameras on glasses will always be controlled by fascists.

Did it ever occur to you that someone might make their own glasses? Or that a company could make a set that works offline?

If you ran things, such technology would never happen because it would be banned before it got out the door.

But you’d be ok with that because you live in a hole, with perfect eyesight and zero foresight.

I don’t really understand how making them offline only makes them any less dangerous? The issue is that the camera is discrete enough that people wont notice theyre being recorded, not that the glasses can connect to the internet.

So to you, the glasses are irrelevant. You just hate hidden cameras… Like police and various misbehaving corporations all over the world.

I wouldn’t say that police cameras are hidden, I assume you are referring to bodyworn cams? And I really don’t know who are the misbehaving corpos you speak of. Not saying they don’t exist, just that is super vague. Do you mean cctv for security? Because I dont know if i would call those hidden either?

Police get caught committing crimes via hidden (or non-hidden, LOL) cameras all the time.

The same is true for corporations (and plain old abusive bosses).

Where I live, a company was caught making plans for illegal dumping (toxic waste) thanks to a hidden camera worn by a whistleblower.

The most recent news about hidden cameras catching corporate misbehavior are mostly related to meat processing plants. In Texas, I believe they passed an unconstitutional law a few years ago banning people from recording (in public) near factory farms and meat processing plants.

All this illegal/evil behavior was foiled thanks to hidden cameras.

This is why I firmly believe in “one party” laws. Look that up if you don’t know what it means.

And what if you’re visually impaired and you are a pervert? Joking… /s

With smart glasses, everyone’s a sex offender.

Good thing they won’t be able to buy used.

/S

A completely unenforceable idea driven by moral panic. We’re already seeing plenty of cheap ones on temu, and other more covert types of cameras have been available for years. (Look up pen cameras on Amazon, you’ll look at anyone with a pen in their shirt pocket very differently for the rest of your life)

Not to mention there’s already open source 3d printed smart glasses. Which means this would no doubt lead to calls for ID checks to buy a 3d printer.

In a complete assault on right to self repair, several states are already trying to force 3d printers to validate what they’re printing with some database. They used guns as the Trojan horse but everyone knew it wouldn’t stay there and soon ip checks would be coming

Didn’t this come to law in California already? Really infuriating that there’s actual possibility of 3d printers being regulated this way.

Yeah California passed their law. One that’s not even technically feasible.

I think NY has one in the works as well. Not sure if it’s status.

Uh oh, Mark’s about to lose his glasses.

They gonna ban the usage in cinemas, then super markets, then the gyms, then they gonna ban guys to buy them, ban dogs to buy them, ban…

They gonna “ban” everything else but the glasses selling itself… Can’t touch big corpos you know…

See, the whole joke was that Mark was the sex offender. It was a bit of a sideways jab and can be missed.

I would agree only if the responsibility to not carry smart glasses is on the offender only, so vendors wouldn’t have to check their ID, but the perp could be arrested and charged for having them.

I’d be on board if “Sex offender” only included the people that everyone seems to think it includes. However it also includes people who peed in public while drunk, people who turned to prostitution when they fell on hard times, and children who were victims themselves.

Only thing that will make both sides happy is banning them entirely, which I am 100% in favor of

(Seriously, though, look up what gets classed as a sexual offence in your area. It’s not just child molestation, and sexual assault.)

How does a child victim end up a sex offender [without doing something else]?

Typically it is by doing something else because they’re mimicking what an adult did to them. Usually it’s younger kids (under 7-8) who mimic like that.

However it also includes people who peed in public while drunk

Nope, in the UK it requires more than just public urination to be seen as a sex offender. Unless you are windmilling and pissing all over someone’s window.

Ahh, neat, didn’t know that!

Buying and using, if it should make sense.

But that’s their whole demographic.

Just ban the sales of pervert glasses, period.

It’ll accomplish the same thing, but be a lot easier legally.

Just ban them for everyone. Pervert glasses have no legitimate use.

Everything they can do, a go-pro or adjacent camera would work without issue and with less ambiguity.

The only reason you could possibly have for using them is to film people in secret. Like a pervert.

Lack of imagination. One can easily imagine scenarios where glases can be useful outside filming other people. Simple tasks like getting a receipt and scanning it before throwing away, or getting dietary feedback on a menu items would be quite more easily achieved with smartglasses than otherwise. AR-assisted navigation in cities with to image data could be quite useful as well.

Not to mention if one has sight issues; I can imagine describing environments or reading texts being wildly useful for some.

Perhaps consider first banning devices that are designed for secret filming, e.g. “car key” cameras, watch cameras, pen cameras, powerback cameras, and yes, glass cameras… You can find them from Amazon for <100€, which is much more affordable option in the first place.

Those would be all very valid uses but the problem is is that they’re not smart glasses. They are just normal glasses (well non prescription fake plastic glasses) with a camera in them. If they could give you directions or something on a sort of holographic heads up display they might have some use.

The new Meta Ray-Ban Display glasses do have a display. But in any case, these applications work almost just as fine with speakers as well, and the Ray-Ban glasses had those and supports reading documents, describing surrounds etc.

Plain glasses with camera come much cheaper. Though now that I looked it up, the Meta glasses are surprisingly affordable as well.

edit: scratch that, I don’t know what I was looking… For me Ray-Bans would be 500€ and Metas maybe 1000€.

Why do so many people focus of the almost entirety useless non display meta glasses?

Everything they can do, a go-pro or adjacent camera would work without issue and with less ambiguity.

So why aren’t we banning those for perverts too?

Because if people work arround with a go-pro, its clear what they are doing

Disagree. Go-pros are easy to hide inside objects.

The round camera holes in a thick eyeglass frame are much more obvious than a gauze covered lens.

Sure, argue for the protection of children, but at least be consistent.

Tbh, I would love an appropriate pair. I have issues with memory, particularly regarding faces. A set of smart glasses would be an almost perfect aid to me.

Unfortunately, I don’t trust any of the manufacturers not to abuse the hell out of all the data they generate. I’m also fully aware of the idiots abusing them, and ruining things for everyone else.

Rise up.

Too complicated, and requires bureaucracy to work.

Just ban that crap in public spaces.

Also it’ll simply not work. What hinders the offender to just buy it used? Or just have some friend who does not have an entry buy it?

I dunno if banning shit still works. NYC banned electric motorcycles being sold as ebikes and Amazon was like “lol stfu” and continues to ship them there anyway.

But then they won’t have any customers.

Sound like a bunch of bureaucracy that will achieve nothing meaningful

Can’t ever be enforced until the largest list of the most depraved sex offenders on the planet can be “permabanned”