Replying to @⁨madeindex@lemmy.world⁩

In my eyes anyone wearing one of these is a pervert. I simply don't see who else could be the audience for a purposefully discreet camera built into a pair of glasses.
Even Google's attempt at glasses were more overt that these. I'd say Meta is shameful, but that's not exactly a shocker to anyone at this point.

Edit: Seen a few suggestions, but my counterpoint to all of them is - you don't need the camera to discreet fir any of these purposes. You'd only need it to be discreet if you didn't want people to realise you were filming, which just seems aimed towards perverts in my mind.

Replying to @⁨Zarobi@aussie.zone⁩

Not just nude, but any race, any age, any species. Or, make some or all people disappear from view. Not just people but everything around you will look however you want it to (or can afford to pay someone else to make it so.) Clothes will become simple, disposable leotards with markings that make it easy for AR to overlay any style of “clothes”. We’ll broadcast our selection to the surrounding goggles, and they can either show that, or whatever they want. Of course sound is part of it too, so your Puerto Rican “friend” can look like and sound like Princess Diana to you.

But wait, there’s more. Let’s say you’re walking down a busy street and your boss is out that day too. He’ll be able to spot you from blocks away, and even through buildings, tracking your location and following you until he “happens to bump into you.” A feature reserved for certain “elites” and “officials” in society. Whatever information you have available about the people around you will appear floating around them, like a health bar. You think we have no privacy now, wait till everyone knows the basics about you and can pay to know even more, and have it appear above your head and whispered in their ear.

Replying to an earlier post

I’ve seen videos on Instagram of people using them for a first person view without having to strap a GoPro to their head. Like for hobby work.

But if you’re going biking or whatever, you can just as easily strap a camera to your helmet, and get a 360° view to boot. If you’re hiking or shopping, it’s very little effort to take out your phone and snap a pic. And you get the benefit of being able to actually preview the shot.

Replying to an earlier post

I don’t understand how these are fundamentally different from the phone cameras that everyone points at everyone else already. holding a phone up isn’t exactly conspicuous at this point.

schools should probably ban them for the case above, but schools should probably ban phones as well. in the US at least there’s so expectation of privacy anywhere public and smart glasses are a tiny fraction of the doorbell cameras, security cameras, etc that are everywhere

it feels like we’re approaching a circlejerk level of being against smart glasses in general, which do have a ton of interesting use cases that aren’t recording related (but still require a camera for position tracking etc). the “pervert glasses” position is intentionally obtuse

Replying to an earlier post

Yeah. The kids are just the last part of the chain of failure here. Why is Meta producing such a thing? Why the fuck are parents buying several hundred dollars worth of spy glasses for their children and sending them to school with them without any supervision? And what the fuck is the school doing here? The first report of someone harassing other pupils with such a device should be reason to ban them and take hard discipline measures against the harrasser

Replying to @⁨Murse@slrpnk.net⁩

Data.

Stats.

Compilation of actual, verified reports.

But, your response does answer my question, and you should know it’s not 2014 anymore. No matter how fashionable your algorithm has made you think that it is to smear men as a whole, the rest of the world has seen how ridiculous it is.

If you think you get to lump me or your male friends in with these people without being asked to prove it, you should maybe have enough respect for the men in your life that you esteem to actually hunt down some evidence before posting things like this.

Have a great day.

Replying to @⁨athatet@lemmy.zip⁩

Asking for proof? Should be a very easy thing to provide given how confident you are that, apparently, this is an epidemic among men.

Far be it from all of us to pretend we’re guilty just because you presume we are.

I’m sorry, but you’re being very unreasonable. I hope one day the men in your orbit stop quietly accepting that you say things like this.

Replying to an earlier post

People are being disgusting, using technology that was designed to be stealthy on purpose by others for disgusting reasons (to normalize allowing ever greater data collection by tech companies - no surprise the privacy protections are trivially easy to defeat), and are posting videos online for a reason - that they get satisfaction from it.

I guess I don’t care if this makes me sound old or callous, but we need to bully these people. Make the people who post and share these videos embarrassed. Tell them they look like stupid losers who can’t get dates or talk to people. Make them feel bad for not being kind and socially connecting with others. Give them no community or understanding until they stop breaking the social contract.

Replying to an earlier post

so I’ve given that one some thought and came away with this: if ice / pd detains you, they’re going to take your recording devices. I need my glasses to see enough to walk around.

also, even more gross: they know what to look for, because until recently, ICE was using these devices. That’s been banned, but probably only because they’re making their own.

yahoo.com/…/ice-banned-meta-glasses-now-154840012…

Replying to an earlier post

This. My friend in HS went to guidance multiple times to complain about being bullied by another classmate. After the 2nd or 3rd time requesting thy switch his class, they decided to resolve the issue by forcing them to be partners for an assignment in class. He complained again, and was told to deal with it. One day my friend finally cracked and broke the bully’s nose because he had enough and clearly the school was only willing to make this worse, so they called the police on my friend. It’s pretty insane how some things get dealt with sometimes.

Replying to an earlier post

I wish they called the police when I stood up for myself. It was sexual harassment/assault but I didn’t know that at the time, I just knew I didn’t like it so used violence. He stopped and ran off bleeding all over the place.

Totally valid self defence from a legal perspective. But they only used the threat of calling the police and I was absolutely terrified so just shut down.

Replying to @⁨madeindex@lemmy.world⁩

can journalism please stop digging deep into the cambridge to pull out words like ‘wheedles?’

i’ve been on this earth for almost 50 years, and i’ve read thousands of texts and never seen that word fucking ever.

you should NOT have to look in the dictionary to read pop culture drivel. these dipshits are just trying to justify their privileged educations, and the ironic thing is that none of them can write for shit despite needing a private school/ivy league pedigree to churn out vacuous thinkpieces for teen vogue and futurism (whatever the hell that is).

Replying to @⁨madeindex@lemmy.world⁩

I think young men don’t know how to flirt anymore. I think many of them think they are flirting in some weird way but they have no clue that they are actually bothering/pestering/harassing these woman. I mean I know too many young men that don’t have licences, don’t know how to use a lawn mower, can’t ride a bike, completely useless men…just can’t do anything besides go to school play video games and not much else.

I do blame technology. Keep your kids off online gaming imo. Bust out the old games or only let them play offline games on a console or PC. Especially no cell phone games. Cut YouTube to practically nothing. Get them outside…

Replying to an earlier post

I think about the issues with modern dating often, flirting included. One of my perspectives is dating culture is an extension of social culture which is an extension of communal culture, and unfortunately communal culture is dying in America. From something as common as college kids getting educated out of state then starting their career at a 3rd location, to something more systemic like the formation of the rust belt, local communities have been eroding.

Without an established generational history of people talking, connecting, enjoying each other, flirting, and dating no one can really know the difference between expressing interest and harassment as that difference now depends on what your algorithm says and what your echo chambers reinforce.

In short everyone is playing by a different set of social rules, video games may play a part in this via social isolation, but I think the greater socioeconomic system we’re all bound to is much more culpable.

Replying to an earlier post

My point being is they don’t know how to do normal everyday things, I can’t write out the thousand normal everyday things in one post…nor would I. Chores are something that are proven to help children aged 10-17, from first-hand experience where I live and interacting with hundreds of kids from different backgrounds, seem to somehow have next to no responsibilities. Obviously going to be different circumstances wherever you live.

www.aacap.org/…/Chores_and_Children-125.aspx

www.uvws.org/news/s94a63z7yun3fczjm80xh8fzivafkb

…cornell.edu/…/research-confirms-that-chores-are-…

Replying to @⁨whereitsat@lemmy.zip⁩

In the 90s, camcorders were a relative novelty and nobody had any reason to be anxious about being filmed because there was no way to easily share video with millions of strange people maliciously for clout. If you were caught doing something funny, you might appear on TV after signing a release. (e.g. America’s Funniest Home Videos) Sharing video on the internet was a practical technical impossibility, and people had mostly private lives. You’re right it’s not really the glasses, it’s the internet and social media. I wouldn’t be surprised if the first person POV provided by glasses makes content like that more compelling, though, and thus more common.

People covertly filmed for malicious reasons even back then of course, but it was not generally made available to the masses.

If I have a point, it’s that I don’t think this is evidence that we’re more fucked up now than we were then, just that technology has enabled new kinds of abuse that were inconceivable back then.

Replying to @⁨HerbGrower@slrpnk.net⁩

So the same bullying that always happens is now visible and that’s the core problem people see. The glasses, not the bullies wearing them or the bullying recorded. Watch teachers and schools fight the recording, that make evidence fall right into their laps, so they can go back to ignoring bullying in their schools and then act shocked when serious fights, or worse happen.

Replying to an earlier post

Can someone explain why this isn’t actually a solution to an old problem? We used to have issues with various forms of harassment that were not addressed because they relied on unreliable testimony. Now we actually have people creating hard evidence of their actions.

The behaviors described in this article are banned in every school I or my children have ever attended. How difficult would it be for the parents of any of these victims to hire a lawyer to absolutely wipe the floor with these people? Don’t these videos basically put the perpetrators heads on silver platters?

Replying to an earlier post

It would be pretty messed up if the punishment came before the crime.

My point, in this case is that the crime has been ongoing. Bullying and harassment aren’t new. What’s new is that we now have a lot of it recorded. This gives us an unprecedented ability to prosecute a class of crimes that people have been committing with impunity.

The biggest downside is that it would likely be short-lived. If there were a bunch of headlines about people getting giant civil judgements, bullies would probably learn to be more careful about generating evidence of their crimes.

That would likely initially focus on attempting to hide the videos from the general public but I suspect they would eventually learn that doesn’t work; courts can compel discovery. They would probably also try to modify their on-screen behavior so it doesn’t technically qualify as a crime but I expect they would mostly fail at that.

That said there would likely always be some cohort of dumb criminals who continue to record their misdeeds. We still see cases where people discuss their crimes over unencrypted email and we still see cases of criminals taking selfies with their crimes

Replying to an earlier post

Sort of.

I am making an assumption that there are some people who are likely highly motivated to take action. Parents often care about bullying of their own children, even when the rest of the school doesn’t. We wouldn’t need all parents to care, just a few of them.
I’m not assuming that lawyers are generally willing to work for free but I do assume that they like money and are willing to take cases on contingency, if they think the case is strong enough.
I’m also going on my understanding that video evidence tends to be fairly strong and that this translates into a higher probability of a favorable judgement with less work on the lawyer’s part.

So it’s less that I’m making an assumption than that I’m asking where the gap in the above reasoning chain lies.

Replying to @⁨minorkeys@sh.itjust.works⁩

That’s a non-sequitur. A group of people banding together to protect themselves is not automarically an *archy. Nor does it follow they are secretly in control. I think you are describing your own personal reality then the reality at large. Do women really control your life so much that you feel you are not in control of your own life? Can you cite an example for us to analyze?

Replying to an earlier post

From the opening part of the article, the problem is not just the glasses. The glasses are definitely an issue that needs to be sorted out society wide, but there is a problem with how these boys are raised. Badly raised boys have always been an issue but now they are being raised by manosphere incel influencers. The glasses just let them record their harassment to post for clout and to draw others into their bullying.

Replying to an earlier post

When it breaks laws. My area has two-party consent laws, so recording someone, whether audio or video, without their explicit consent is against the law. Children are often not held to the fullest extent of the law, and if they cannot be held responsible, then they shouldn’t have access to such devices until they can be.

I’m not naive to think that these devices will just go away or that the genie can go back into the bottle. But that is where regulation must act to protect people’s privacy rights.