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Used processor leads to game ban
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Used processor leads to game ban
www.heise.de/en/news/Used-processor-leads-to-game-ban-11471562.htmlReplying to @yesman@lemmy.world
I would be very interested to know how they are able to identify a specific CPU. The article speculates but does not answer this question.
The fact that this is even possible is a security nightmare.
OK, I've done a bit more digging and pieced it together. Acknowledgement to @dual_sport_dork for prompting me to try (again) to find a command that might do it among other things.
IMO, this sort of information shouldn't be in processors in the first place, but apparently it is there and needs admin/root access to, well, access it.
... and the game in question requires kernel-level anti-cheat, so of course, it has the necessary access.
The command for Linux is sudo dmidecode -t processor, which dumps a lot of info including an ID field, which is supposedly the CPU's specific identifier. It can be grepped for or otherwise filtered out.
My own Ryzen gives 8 hexadecimal pairs, so it's a 64-bit value.
I would not know that that was unique to my specific individual processor if I had not been told, but I'll assume that at least part of it is not unique between Ryzens of the same calibre. (I won't be posting any of it for comparison, for obvious reasons.)
So the upshot is, if you don't want to be identified right down to your CPU, don't run programs as root if there's any chance of them phoning home.
Replying to @palordrolap@fedia.io
Question is, what happens if you don’t have dmidecode installed? Even more interesting, what happens if you’ve replaced it with a fake that spews back values of your choosing? If they’re bundling it, given that it appears to be GPL2, they’re opening themselves to a lawsuit unless they provide source upon request.
(Somehow, I don’t think they’re actually using dmidecode.)
Replying to @nyan@lemmy.cafe
What I've read just now is what I'd deliberately not gone looking for up to this point in case I found this out.
Linux and Windows happen to require that the executables that access that information be run with root privileges, but it looks like that's merely an affectation.
It seems that any old piece of software, without root or other privileges, can independently run the CPUID instruction that obtains a processor's serial number.
I do not like this one bit.
Replying to @palordrolap@fedia.io
Why not? Is that information considered sensitive? Personally I tend to avoid running untrustworthy programs outside of a sandbox or VM.
Replying to @frongt@lemmy.zip
Are you a believer in the idea "They who have nothing to hide have nothing to fear"? Hint: You shouldn't be.
And do you know for certain that your sandboxes and VMs don't simply pass through the CPUID instruction? And if they don't, do they rotate their fake CPUIDs? And how often does that happen?
Replying to @frongt@lemmy.zip
Personally I tend to avoid running untrustworthy programs outside of a sandbox or VM.
what does that mean? are you not running any programs at all? you cannot know just by looking at the name if a program reads such sensitive info. and its not unlikely that some developer figured it would be a good idea to include it in automatic crash reports
yes, this is sensitive information. its like your fingerprint, you cannot change it. I think its quite obvious. web browsers firefox is fighting to hide more and more that even indirectly could lead to identification. websites can’t read this ID, this is just a comparison.
Replying to @WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
you cannot know just by looking at the name if a program reads such sensitive info.
I can know from the code ;P
Replying to @Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com
have you ever used Gentoo? if you do, you know how long it takes to build updated software from source code.
vetting all that, even just the changes would take a lot more time. and it’s a constant effort.
Replying to @WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
Never used gentoo but i do build the software i use often
vetting all that, even just the changes would take a lot more time. and it’s a constant effort.
First of all, I am, like you and everyone else not alone in this, and for changes it’s sooo easy thanks to Git
Replying to @Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com
yes, git is a godsend. but who will you trust that they checked the new code, and found nothing bad? different people have different expectations too.
Replying to @WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
Idk about other peoples, i usually do this with friends so idk