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@SuperDicq @lain Can you provide me with a checklist of do's and do not's for writing software going forward?
Replying to @sun@shitposter.world
@sun@shitposter.world @lain@lain.com The problem is that output from LLMs currently has a legally ambiguous status. You can not risk integrating it into any existing free software right now, so that's why a lot of projects, with some exceptions, choose not to allow it or heavily limit its usage only to specific tasks.
And on a personal note I think obvious LLM output is extremely tasteless. Seeing someone not even use some effort to at least even write their own README file makes me cringe. I always compare it to the same type of feeling you get when you see a corporate logo which uses Comic Sans.
Replying to @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
@SuperDicq @lain @sun Personally, I'd argue that writing READMEs are the most mind-numbingly boring bit of writing software and rather one of the better use cases for an LLM.
Replying to @Phobos@eientei.org
@Phobos @lain @SuperDicq I also do admit that there is a systemic issue of what happens to the next generation of programmers who aren’t forced to learn things the hard way like I had to, but for me personally I don’t write any code a machine can now shit out ever again and that’s not actually a problem
Replying to @sun@shitposter.world
@sun @Phobos @SuperDicq @lain I wanna program for fun again* but I don't think I will use LLMs much. We'll see how that goes.
* I've been saying this for a while now but haven't really done anything.
* I've been saying this for a while now but haven't really done anything.
Replying to @besserwisser@shitposter.world
@besserwisser @Phobos @lain @SuperDicq @sun i like to program and i wanna learn because it's nice, so what I do is use the LLM as a tool for learning how to program/solve an issue when programming. When I have an issue I ask it how to fix it by giving it examples of what I've done, and when I know I wanna implement smth but don't know how, I ask it to teach me the best practices or how it is usually done in that program.
Replying to @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
@lain @Phobos @SuperDicq @sun @mischievoustomato That's kind of a trap I fear to fall into. Letting the LLM do stuff instead of doing it myself and learn in the process. Also, I don't want to pay for whatever subscription I need to get something decent for a little hobby project and local models are probably gonna be really slow and clunky.
@lain @Phobos @SuperDicq @sun @mischievoustomato *learn nothing in the process
Kinda messed up there. Basically, I fear I won't learn how to program if I don't have to program and with LLMs I can always just let it do the whole thing and learn nothing from it.
Kinda messed up there. Basically, I fear I won't learn how to program if I don't have to program and with LLMs I can always just let it do the whole thing and learn nothing from it.
Replying to @besserwisser@shitposter.world
@besserwisser @Phobos @SuperDicq @sun @mischievoustomato do you fear that you don’t know how the haber-Bosch process works when you’re planting your garden?
Replying to @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
@mischievoustomato @Phobos @SuperDicq @besserwisser @sun I heard there’s great documentaries about that all over the net
@lain @Phobos @SuperDicq @sun @mischievoustomato Kind of a weird comparison. The Haber-Bosch process couldn't take over basically every gardening activity I could do. Especially if I just program for fun and maybe to learn something, I don't know why I should use any LLM.
Replying to @besserwisser@shitposter.world
@besserwisser @Phobos @lain @SuperDicq @sun speed. You can learn much faster with LLMs than not. Having to google whatever issue exists pre-LLM era was painful. Oftentimes stuff seemingly didn't have a fix or required obscure """fixing""". Docs aren't usually good or practical. Also for making stuff like test suites or helping you debug stuff when things aren't visibly clear.
Replying to @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
@mischievoustomato @Phobos @lain @SuperDicq @sun I don't care much about speed when doing something for fun. When I run into issues, I'll deal with that. Already said in my first post that we'll see how it goes. The whole proselytizing before I even started turns me off LLMs even more tbh.
Replying to @besserwisser@shitposter.world
@besserwisser @Phobos @SuperDicq @sun @mischievoustomato it’s not proselytizing, I’m saying you’re sweeping the floor with a toothbrush