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Your car is a smartphone on wheels: A team of researchers tested 21 vehicles and found that all of them transmitted data to a third-party domain. And over half were pinging advertising companies.

cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/tech/p/1432229/your-car-is-a-smartphone-on-wheels-a-team-of-researchers-tested-21-vehicles-and-found-th

Data sent by vehicles and companion apps included locations, VINs, and other identifiers. Amazon, Google, Meta, and Microsoft were among the top receivers of driver data.

www.consumerreports.org/electronics/personal-information/your-car-is-sharing-data-with-big-tech-companies-study-finds-a4474820962/
Consumer ReportsYour Car Is Sharing Data With Big Tech Companies, Study Finds - Consumer ReportsNew study finds cars send driver data to Big Tech companies, including locations, VINs, and other identifiers.
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Replying to @⁨beep@piefed.world⁩

Researchers connected each vehicle to a custom WiFi access point and logged all outgoing traffic.

The article talks about both apps and the vehicles themselves. I would really like to see more info on what the cars do when you take the apps out of the equation. Are there any that don’t phone home unless you explicitly give them internet access?

A study about the results will be published this week.

I look forward to reading this.

Edit: actually there’s quite a bit more detailed info at automatictransmission.khoury.northeastern.edu

automatictransmission.khoury.northeastern.eduAutomatic Transmission — a data-privacy study of connected vehicles

Replying to an earlier post

Y’all do know you’re allowed to open and read the article, yeah?

The top recipients of driver data included many of the largest tech companies operating in the U.S., including Alphabet (which runs Google), Amazon, Meta (which runs Facebook), Microsoft, Pinterest, and Reddit, among dozens of others. Many of these companies play two roles in the driver data ecosystem, as both providers of software (such as the Android Automotive operating system) and as operators of advertising “auction” platforms that marketers use to target specific types of customers. As such, the companies that collect driver data are often the first node in a vast personal data ecosystem.

Replying to @⁨beep@piefed.world⁩

We just bought a new car this year (Kia) and I completely confused the sales lady when I told her we were not going to use the “connect app” or activate connect on the car itself. She was like “lets get you setup in connect” and I was “no thanks”

We have a nice 🚫 symbol with a radio tree behind it, so I 100% know the car is still connected to the cell network but it is not registered/connected to us, and no app installed.

Sure, we lose some functionality (remote start, and access to in-car wifi) but all of that is paid subscriptions. Sure they first x months are ‘free’ but after you gotta pony up $ to continue.

Note: I’m under no illusion tracking is just not happening for us now… I just want to make it harder where I can.

Replying to @⁨boonhet@sopuli.xyz⁩

Subaru definitely uses the same hardware, but I know their software is different. Even the PCM performs very differently on the dinosaurs, even though they use the same Denso computers as Toyotas - just look into how aggressively Subarus fast idle when cold for an example… how many cars do you know of are programmed to hit fast idle come hell or high water? Most cars will cancel fast idle if you engage a gear, or limit the fast idle throttle, but the Subaru will send it if you try to keep the RPM below fast idle when cold. Also the “clear flood start” feature that deliberately doesn’t fire the injectors when you put your foot to the floor when starting the engine.

Replying to @⁨beep@piefed.world⁩

I hope the study specifically publishes the data on the Model 3. I bought one before I became much more privacy conscious, but I’ve done my best to mitigate the leakage from that. In doing so, I read through all of Tesla’s terms and conditions upon opt out and sending any of my information or information that can be used to identify or profile me, should never be sold to advertisers. I write software licenses for a living so I’m pretty confident in my reading on this. It would be interesting to see what can currently be mitigated by changing some settings and what cannot.

Replying to @⁨dimmuborgnine@lemmy.world⁩

(please quietly make the “buy an old car instead” jokes to yourself)

That’s not a joke, it’s sincere advice. My newest car is a 2008 (I think) model. I’d love to have an EV, but I don’t because I haven’t figured out how to have one that isn’t infected by “telemetry” and other enshittification. I have hopes for the Slate Truck, but it doesn’t actually exist yet, so I wait.

(Also, yes, as a mod of the place I’d be remiss if I didn’t second the other reply and suggest adopting a non-car-dependent lifestyle to begin with.)

lemmy.worldYour car is a smartphone on wheels: A team of researchers tested 21 vehicles and found that all of them transmitted data to a third-party domain. And over half were pinging advertising companies. - Lemmy.Worldcross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/tech/p/1432229/your-car-is-a-smartphone-on-wheels-a-team-of-researchers-tested-21-vehicles-and-found-th [https://piefed.world/c/tech/p/1432229/your-car-is-a-smartphone-on-wheels-a-team-of-researchers-tested-21-vehicles-and-found-th] > Data sent by vehicles and companion apps included locations, VINs, and other identifiers. Amazon, Google, Meta, and Microsoft were among the top receivers of driver data.

Replying to @⁨dimmuborgnine@lemmy.world⁩

Many cars have the modem / LTE as a module that can be disabled. On my car, a 2018 Chevy, the LTE antenna plugs into a networking module in the footwell. I bought an antenna cable and dummy load resistor on Amazon for ~$10 and simply unplugged the LTE antenna in the car and plugged in the dummy antenna. That disables all cell network connectivity but doesn’t effect things like Bluetooth. It’s also easily reversible if someone wanted to do that for some reason.

You can probably Google something like “year make model disable LTE” or “disable telemetry” to get an idea of how hard it would be on your car. Some make it very cheap / easy and some make it very difficult.

Replying to @⁨beep@piefed.world⁩

I have a 2008 car, it doesn’t even chime when I don’t put my seatbelt on.

After driving a 2024 Subaru, I realize that I am a very fortunate person, and I live a life of silence and peaceful reflection.

2010 models at the latest, I am only going to own old vehicles until this beeping madness ends.

How long until new models show advertisements on the dash related to your conversations? Three years, tops.

Replying to @⁨magnolia_mayhem@lemmy.world⁩

my '08 (that a bought a '12 to replace) is a rusty pos that needs a lot of high-mileage maintenance and regular maintenance (rusty af everything, gas tank is gonna start leaking soon, pretty much the entire suspension is shot, power steering starting to leak, some sort of engine issues that I’m not sure what exactly is causing it, rusty exhaust headers causing some of the engine issues), but since I can’t get any money for it, I’m not sure when exactly I’m going to get rid of it. might as well keep it around until I know for sure I don’t want to fix it