@PoalackJokes88 @Waldbrand I see what you're getting at

>Basically you need a way to expel groups that are acting together to the detriment of your group.
>you would still need some way of getting rid of organized "crime" in a way that doesn't invalidate the premise of being AnCap.
that's the voluntary part, isn't it. "Hey you guys are behaving in a way that we don't like, so we will stop trading or exchanging with you."
In the Chicom sense (not that you are a Fox Republican, but you get what I mean) it would be as easy as "No thank you, we don't allow Chinese people into our community."

And isn't framing it like
>aggression to just below the threshold of being "aggression"
a category error here? Aggression in the ancap sense is violation of property rights etc. If the Chinese are not violating anything, you still can and have to defend exactly the same way a government can (and failed to, in our case). "We have to check every single ship coming from China because you keep smuggling fent." If the Chinese agree, the subversion is neutralized. If they don't, you can stop associating.

@WandererUber @Waldbrand Huh, I hit the wrong key and deleted my response and somehow got the text to go backwards. It's bewitched!

Anyways:
>In the Chicom sense (not that you are a Fox Republican, but you get what I mean) it would be as easy as "No thank you, we don't allow Chinese people into our community."
No, I was just using it as an easy explicit example. The (((Protocols))) are more relevant to us but also more dated. In some ways the Chicoms are our allies.
The problem is that a large disorganized population can be split. A boycott is like a strike, it's detrimental to those doing it in the short term so undermining it can be profitable. A government can draft the population into doing what it wants, so it can cover for temporary shortfalls (like if they're flooding the market or paying off locals) and it can enforce compliance with a boycott. Note that they don't have to violate property rights to start, simply subsidize the opposition until they can take power, then they can violate property rights after it's too late to stop them.

@PoalackJokes88 @Waldbrand >The problem is that a large disorganized population can be split.
It seems like your disagreement is deeper than what I thought, then. You seem to be implying that anarcho-capitalism -> disorganized population. I would say that governance != government.
For example, a state security service can warn against such attempts the same way as a voluntary one. So the core question would move to efficiency. I.e. are states or private entities more effective in detecting and countering these strategies?
Commonly used examples include large security and insurance firms.

>A government can draft the population into doing what it wants
Are you talking about the attacker government or the defender government?
>enforcement of a boycott
Should we stick to the fent example or something else? What are we boycotting in this scenario?

@WandererUber @PoalackJokes88 @Waldbrand to slide into these messages, one way to replace passports would be to just ask credit card companies to block whatever dollar amount the country finds appropriate on entering a country and releasing it on leaving the country, forfeiting it if you do anything in the country that you shouldn't. if you can't block that amount, you can't come in. credit card companies are already much better at fine-grained reputation than the coarse "this guy is a german" system that we get with passports.

@lain @PoalackJokes88 @Waldbrand Isn't that another level than our issue though?
I think PJ and I are probably closer in opinion on what to filter for than you and I, and we would both say that filtering for race is what we want. What we would be debating is how to do that in Ancapistan.

If you don't have the Mr. Lee’s Greater Aryan Urheimat Hong Kong passport, you can't come in or do business here, is, I would say, also trivially enforceable.

So in short, the disagreement wasn't about the governance in practice, by what measure to disallow people, just about feasibility of doing it with either a state or a voluntary company like in Ancap.
And from where I'm standing, both your proposal and a simple ethnic filter can be implemented in both systems

@WandererUber @PoalackJokes88 @Waldbrand my motivation was to post an example of how governance can happen without government and how things that are seen as wholly the sphere of the state can be done with currently existing private-ish systems instead. feel free to ignore.