[object Object]@zzt@mas.to

this is the one and only reason that the Linux kernel is going out of its way to hide which commits are LLM generated by abolishing the Assisted-By tag, simultaneously with torvalds fully slopcoding a core “improvement” to the kernel’s memory management

if you don’t believe me, here’s part of what the diff removed from the kernel’s docs:

> -When AI tools contribute to kernel development, proper attribution
> -helps track the evolving role of AI in the development process.
> -Contributions should include an Assisted-by tag in the following format::

and surprise, here’s the dickheads responsible: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Ke a set of people who get money and tokens from Anthropic, OpenAI, and a bunch of other AI corps via the Linux Foundation

don’t you love when the paid heads of a community project meet behind closed doors to do something that damages the community? furs.social/@Rycochet/11743896

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Kernel_Developers_Summit
[object Object]@zzt@mas.to

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if you believe in code, believe your eyes. read the diff that was applied to the kernel tree. what do your eyes say?

this governance structure is not for your benefit. it’s for the benefit of the corporations paying to capture Linux.

if you believe or believed in any of the FOSS ideals, this is the moment that all of the evangelism and advocacy and rabid fandom was supposedly there to steel the community against.

but it didn’t work. we’re in the disaster scenario and you’re still asking about fragile solutions. “well what OS do *you* recommend? why can’t we just fork the kernel? what if it’s not all that bad? what if torvalds and the rest snap out of it?”

none of this shit worked to save FOSS. try something else.

Mae@Mae@is.badat.dev

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LLMs in programming, linux
@zzt one of the things I find particularly telling is(from the LWN article):

> I asked whether that risked cutting off bright new developers that we would rather hang onto; Torvalds answered that the kernel project only wants serious developers. That includes having access to enough resources to function in this world.
> [...]
> Torvalds added that he does not want to scare off people who want to write code; his message is that you have to either put in the effort to learn, or put a lot of money into an LLM to participate.

https://lwn.net/Articles/1099594/
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mathieui@mathieui@piaille.fr

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@Mae @zzt the raw mail by torvalds is really telling: lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whT ; I guess the "Linux torvalds got some counseling and stopped being the biggest asshole in the room" bit was just a phase and he can go back publicly to being awful on-list

lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
Daniel Gibson@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place

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LLMs in programming, linux

@401matthall @Mae @zzt
I don't wanna excuse Linus' bullshit here, but you *always* needed to be privileged with time to contribute to Linux (and to get to the skill level to be able to do that).

Now there apparently is an "alternative" for people who don't have time or are too lazy to learn but have too much money... no idea how letting people contribute who don't know what they're doing looks like a good idea to him, though

Howard Chu @ Symas@hyc@mastodon.social

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@Mae @zzt only wanting "serious" developers makes perfect sense, especially in the current climate of drive-by AI-generated submissions. I'd far prefer serious developers who can participate productively in devel maillist design discussions, propose and critique new features and approaches, etc. vs "AI researchers" who have no interest in the wellbeing of the projects they send submissions to.

Howard Chu @ Symas@hyc@mastodon.social

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LLMs in programming, linux

@Mae @zzt and there's no avoiding the fact that newly joining a project requires a serious investment of time and effort to come up to speed and become able to make productive contributions. Not to mention the effort required to stay abreast of a project that has hundreds of other active participants. Staying coordinated is a big part of the task too.

That part of Linus' message makes perfect sense. Thinking that AI offers a shortcut is stupid though.