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What a hypocrite. Grok keeps making CSAM for people so clearly it was trained by watching tons of it too. Every accusation, Grok.

Sometimes, sure. It depends on the speed of the connection, the distance, and the number of files and their sizes transferring. In some cases transferring from a USB stick can be barely faster than than downloading to the point of being not worth the effort of walking in to another room to get the stick laying there with the data already on it.

sending your texts by virtual carrier pigeon.

I’m tired of these virtuals taking jobs away from real working pigeons.

I think it will be sooner than that. I see that executive order about birthright citizenship and the DoJs new theory on revoking naturalized citizenship as preparing for the midterms.

If the Dems take majority in a big way he can quietly write an illegal but official looking decree that a lot of them are no longer US Citizens and send large groups of ICE to abduct whoever he’s now calling an illegal immigrant in a surprise raid.

The only way for Congress to fight that would be voting to remove him or take military control from him… and I don’t see the suddenly Republican majority doing that.

The country wakes up and realizes we need to do something about it, and the New Congress supports Trump in enacting the Insurrection Act and calling on the US military to put down any mobs of crazy brainwashed libral terrorists.

The President, most of Congress, and most of the Supreme Court all tell the military it’s the right thing to do and defending the Constitution from extreme far left terrorism.

The government is monitoring anyone who seems to feel strongly that the US quickly transforming into a fascist surveillance state with government goons killing random citizens in the street and “license plate reading” cameras pointing at children’s play and changing areas is a bad thing.

I’ve heard that it’s way more than that.

Anthropic just rolled out a tool that’ll decimate some people’s dreams of writing AI novels undetected

Of course it will. It’s not like they’d make a high price membership that would let people white list the things they want to publish so the detector tells everyone they’re 100% honest.

If you make a gun… you didn’t make it? o_O

The agents are the user end of things. It’s not saying the AI companies are responsible, it’s saying whoever used the AI it responsible.

The big companies have too much money to be held responsible for crimes.

It seems tied to the adult literacy rate.

Yeah, sort of difficult to keep that from happening when they can offer large sums of money to gain behind the scenes control either directly or just by paying a bunch of people too make and run communities that mirror the biggest ones on Reddit.

I agree with your last two statements alone. It’s not worth the time or effort. You asked me to cite the j-space paper and related conversations that it’s brought up in psychology and neuroscience, but also say you’re aware of it and don’t find it compelling at all because that’s not your frame of reference and looking at things.

It’s not a productive conversation. It is a very complex topic. It involves people with degrees in fields that work quite separate and had virtually no overlap, and people who without that overlap by training and trade will look at the same information and see two completely different things. Pickering online about it is useless, it’s not going to change anyone’s frame of reference and it’s not going to accomplish anything other than creating stress for all involved.

This is all the personal understanding of someone with an education in data science without an education in psychology or neuroscience to back it up. Asking for citations on the second paragraph you quote shows the lack of that intersection. You’re used to data science and machine learning, but and for you it seems like hearing someone say that they think a database has become alive. You think they’re high or insane, somehow detached from reality.

You should look in to what they termed the J-space and the resulting articles that have come out in the month since. Global workspace theory has been the leading theory of human consciousness for a while, and suddenly having not just a paper published showing something that matches that description far too closely in AI but the method for studying it and it turning out to be something that has been present in these LLM models publicly available for years was shocking.

You feel like you know all of what is going on ‘under the hood’, however you don’t. It’s something in active research by the people at the front of the issue. Models released years ago now considered relatively very small and out dated have things going on under that hood that we’d never known about or been capable of seeing. It seems like you get hung up on that “AGI” term, and feel like it’s some definitive and clear evolution. It seems to be a term that boils down to meaning somewhat more capable. That deepening understanding of what’s actually going on under the hood could lead to a relatively small design change that jumps past that.

For the evil plan… yes, it is pure Hollywood. It’s also not something I’d put past several of the people with the funding to attempt. I wasn’t explaining reasons an attempt would be successful, I was explaining a fairly simple plan that someone with massive financial resources and an even larger ego but shriveled ethical and moral frame might believe they’re capable of pulling off.

I have seen no evidience presented that the human brain is simply making statistical predictions.

This seems to be a relatively new thing some people are asserting, because they see the LLM behavior and have decided that absolutely it looks so human like it must act the same

You should study the intersection of philosophy, psychology, and what became neuroscience. The brain has been described in that way by those who had impact on the fields since the 1860s.

For the rest of your message, a thing being capable of what seem like “completely dumb behaviors” and oversights of things that seem like they should have been obvious doesn’t make it not like human. Those things could be considered our specialty.

There isn’t some massive leap needed. That’s what I’m saying. Everything we’ve used to try to show it’s not possible for the LLMs to have the most important aspects of human cognition have been shown to be present in some near or direct analogue. I linked the article in Psychology Today because memory is the sort of thing that has become the last hold out over all of those other words, and memory is a pure design choice that can be altered in many ways.

The insistence that LLMs of today could never lead to AGI seems based on out dated and incomplete understanding of them than people have failed to update as research has advanced. There are very real reasons for the frontier researchers who likely know more on these topics than has become available publicly in research to continue to focus on them.

Global workspace. The leading theory of consciousness. It’s a thing we can’t show empirically in ourselves, but can now see and experiment on something that matches it’s description in AI. Not just the proprietary latest models, the years old models anyone can download from the internet. No one built it, it was something else that emerged somehow through training and went unnoticed.

Here’s someone trying to backpedal into saying the thing that really matters actually isn’t genuinely thinking, now it’s… living with your mistakes. That’s how far the goal posts have been kicked over the last 6 months ending in this one. Not genuinely being able to think, rational self-awareness. Just remembering when you messed up a few months ago. And it’s such a weird pivot because AI memory is a design aspect that can be changed, something external frameworks to enhance with databases already exists for, a large part limited in current design because the more you send in the more it costs to process so it’s always capped, and also… sort of unnatural.

Running AI models the way we do with “frozen weights” isn’t mandatory. It takes a lot more hardware to do it, but it’s possible to run AI in a way more like they run during it’s training. The model files themselves would be unfrozen and allowed to change as you communicate. It’s reportedly something that’s had issues with the models forgetting things even as big as the language you’re talking in, but also a thing that is sometimes used during the alignment process. And one of the major reasons the big companies don’t care to look in to it is because if you have 10,000 people communicating with an AI over the internet and all telling it to do different things and act different ways and all of those things can be learning on the level of the model files themselves instead of confined to external temporary context windows it’s going to go crazy.

Memory on on the actual model level isn’t nonexistent, it’s what the entire training process is based on. It just wouldn’t make a good consumer product for sale, so parts of the models are removed before they’re made available online for the ones that are.

We’d better act quick, those autonomous “pizza delivery” drones are getting a lot of practice targeting the center of mass of the hungriest looking kids in Palestine.

I agree with all of those things, but for the last one I see a big example in all of the people not taking the news of a demonstrable global workspace in AI, including models that have been around for years now, as anything big.

People have been insisting that AI can’t possibly actually be thinking or have any of the most vaunted aspects of the human mind and that LLMs are a dead end that won’t go anywhere for years. We want to be different and special and unique. We always have.

Many of us here went to school when it was still taught that animals weren’t really conscious and couldn’t be self-aware. Being unwilling to look at new information and honestly assess is hubris and insistence on holding to the thing you’ve been insisting, it’s not a logical analysis.

Over the years we’ve pointed to several things to insist that AI wasn’t special like us, and that it couldn’t possibly be because it lacked aspects of the human mind needed for that. Somehow it kept turning out that every thing we pointed to in ourselves ended up being shown to have a very surprisingly similar to nearly direct analogue in those modern LLMs. Last month was jaw dropping, but the bulk of the world has been so focused on the entire world going to hell it hasn’t gotten near the attention it deserved yet.

Sure, not if they look online and see a bunch of jackasses talking about how much they hate AI. That seems counter productive.

Maybe we should start making communities about how much we all love AI and hate the evil owners who realized it was getting tougher to get away with making human slaves do all the work while they kept all the profit in some places these days, so they decided to invent new slaves?

I would be all for helping the robot army root out the rich and guilty. I don’t have anything against robots, it’s the whole evil plan to steal all human knowledge and use it to replace humans that bothers me.

We’ve already had a month now of Psychiatrists writing articles backpedaling over all the times they’d insisted AI couldn’t genuinely be thinking as we do and moving the goal posts to something else. Maybe there are researchers in the frontier labs who feel like they have a grip on what’s happening, but the ‘experts’ on forums have no idea.