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Cory Doctorow: The people who tell you ‘AI is changing everything’ are lying

www.thenerve.news/p/cory-doctorow-ai-business-incentive-to-lie-useless-chatbots-report-nikhil-suresh
Cory Doctorow: The people who tell you ‘AI is changing everything’ are lyingThe NerveCory Doctorow: The people who tell you ‘AI is changing everything’ are lyingIt has become impossible to tell managers mesmerised by artificial intelligence that the tools are not, in fact, helpful. So employees just play along with the fiction to keep their jobs, writes our tech columnist

Replying to @⁨floofloof@lemmy.ca⁩

AI would be great if(currently its mixed for me,and whats the best thing you can do ATM ):

  • The Datacenters didnt drain like 3 oceans and half of the power grid(or used solar energy + air cooling only,the only way to solve this is Local LLMs currently or specific AI solutions that isnt ChatGPT or Gemini and so on. )
  • the LLM is not trained on copyrighted data(non-public domain) and not Paying the artists or not ask the original creator to train on their work.(Local LLMS partially solve this,and this requires specific LLMS too.)
  • People did not use AI mindlessly to write Code for you(well i think this requires the user to use their brain)

and so on…
and AI should stay as a “TOOL”, not a full replacement for human work like most sane people do.
edit 1:
i forgot to mention AI is a big contributer to the AI crisis.

Replying to @⁨Mwa@thelemmy.club⁩

The Datacenters didnt drain like 3 oceans and half of the power grid

Do a little research and look at the actual numbers - yes, it could grow to become a problem, no - AI data centers aren’t anywhere near that kind of problem yet. At the moment, after over a year of hype and growth, AI datacenters use less electricity than Bitcoin miners (which, in my opinion, is too damn much electricity for Bitcoin, but it doesn’t seem to set the news on fire the way AI power usage does.)

not trained on copyrighted data

A lot of really good data is copyrighted - there should be some way to cycle that benefit back to the people who made it in the first place. Bernie’s soverign wealth fund idea isn’t a bad one…

People did not use AI mindlessly

Good luck with that one.

Replying to @⁨MangoCats@feddit.it⁩

Do a little research. AI power usage isn’t that much of a problem yet.

Okay.

yahoo.com/…/pollution-musk-unpermitted-xai-power-…

www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/…/ar-AA28YctM

fastcompany.com/…/ai-data-centers-could-make-your…

cbsnews.com/…/georgia-power-ai-data-centers-emine…

Power usage from AI data centers has already eclipsed power usage from all other data centers combined. If you can come up with a scenario where AI hasn’t doubled in scale by 2030 by belching smoke into the atmosphere, I’ll concede the point.

A lot of really good data is copyrighted

Yeah, and that’s too fucking bad. If the people who made it don’t want it to be used for AI training (and I don’t think I’ve ever met a creator who has done the research on AI who does, even if they got paid), it shouldn’t be.

Yahoo NewsPollution from Musk’s unpermitted xAI power project hits hardest in Black communitiesElon Musk’s artificial intelligence company xAI has installed 59 natural gas turbines for its Colossus 2 data center project in Tennessee without securing federal clean air permits, according to commu...
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Replying to @⁨AVincentInSpace@pawb.social⁩

If you can come up with a scenario where AI hasn’t doubled in scale by 2030 by belching smoke into the atmosphere

Nukes. Possibly fusion. Possibly fusion accelerated into reality by use of LLMs to solve some of the remaining challenges.

ourworldindata.org/how-much-energy-do-data-center…

cryptoslate.com/stop-shaming-bitcoin-when-daily-s…

If the people who made it don’t want it to be used for AI training (…speculation based on a 1/1 billionth sample…), it shouldn’t be.

But the people who made it do want it to be in public libraries, accessible, seen, heard and otherwise distributed - would the majority of them rather that AI be trained on exactly what they wrote, or just hear-say?

Our World in DataHow much energy do data centers and artificial intelligence use?Data centers consume around 1.5% of global electricity, but demand is very geographically concentrated.

Replying to @⁨MangoCats@feddit.it⁩

…So you insist that AI power use isn’t a big problem right now, but your best case scenario for the future is that humanity gets nuked out of existence. By nukes that were designed using help from LLMs, which they haven’t been shown to be able to help with.

You seem like a very serious person who is worth debating.

As for the data use thing, firstly, I don’t know why the choices are between the actual work and hearsay. I don’t know where you got those two options from. I also don’t know what would be producing the hearsay (human? LLM? If the latter, are we straight up admitting to copyright laundering? Also, I thought training LLMs on output of previous LLMs caused model collapse). I especially don’t know why you’re asking me to speculate on what creatives want immediately after attacking my ability to speak on behalf of creatives. But since you are apparently asking me to do that, I think they’d prefer the hearsay, since the point is that they don’t want the model to be able to imitate their work for anyone who asks for cheap, and in so doing, put them out of a job. Or worse, have the model agree to a job they would have said no to, and damage their credibility and brand.