Zephyr

@Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · Joined ⁨Jun⁩ ⁨2026⁩

Replying to @⁨Cowbee@lemmy.ml⁩

I see the issue now. I was operating with the common definition or the definition one gets when you search Marxism-Leninism. That being

Marxism-Leninism is a communist political ideology based on the ideas of Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin, focusing on a vanguard party, state-led economies, and the overthrow of capitalism. With the primary ideas of a vanguard party or a dedicated group of leaders guides the working class to launch a successful political revolution. Dictatorship of the proletariat, the working class holds state power to run society and block capitalist opposition during the transition to socialism. Democratic Centralism, decisions are made through open debate inside the party, but once a choice is final, all members must support it completely. Command Economy, the government takes control of property, industry, and resources to build a planned socialist system.

By any standard definition I can easily find it doesn’t deal with a process of discerning truth through measurement or testing as the scientific method does.

Replying to @⁨Cowbee@lemmy.ml⁩

I think we’ve run afoul of two issues. How do you define Marxism-Leninism? Through which means do you know its correctness?

If you know its correctness through implementation and then measuring the results then that’s science testing a hypothesis. For example I know my nose is between my eyes because I can measure through my senses and test that idea repeatedly until I have statistical confidence that’s the location of my nose. If for some reason the location of my nose changes then that information can be updated with testing and measurement most likely through my senses.

If you know through some other means like spiritual revelation then it’s still the case that the concept will have measurable outcomes we can use to test and compare with other concepts to verify its correctness.

Replying to @⁨Cowbee@lemmy.ml⁩

You’re correct, the best aspect of science is the self revision built into it unlike other systems. The problem with a lot of political philosophies is they suffer from the same blindness but don’t have a system that is ultimately self revising. Once again if what you are saying is true then it will be shown through repeatable measurement, and testing. There’s no need to depend on feelings when we can have facts. If Marxism-Leninism is the most optimal form of governance for producing human wellbeing then a system designed to discover the most optimal form of governance will reproduce it. Putting political philosophy before science is putting the cart before the horse, aka Marxism-Leninism is a good hypothesis we can test using a stronger mental construct called the scientific method.